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Pantsuit posted:I think we also need to bare in mind that English/British identity is a dogwhistle for white identity amongst these types. PoC are not considered to be British/English by these people, doesn't matter if they were born here and lived here all their lives. That Jack Buckby poo poo head, or whatever the hell the BNP wanker is called, makes this very explicit. The person I know who specifically calls herself English wouldn't consider herself a racist but is a big pusher on "Where are you REALLY from" stuff with people who just happen to have slightly different shades of skin. "But they're not really FROM here".
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Dead Goon posted:I share my name with a king - a loving king!
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Boro has more industrial wreckage visible from most of it at least, or the hills if nothing else. That picture reminds me of when I went to York and the drat place is flat as a fart. It's weird as hell not being able to see anything behind even a relatively small object.
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Taear posted:The person I know who specifically calls herself English wouldn't consider herself a racist but is a big pusher on "Where are you REALLY from" stuff with people who just happen to have slightly different shades of skin. "But they're not really FROM here". Idiotic hypothetical alert: If humanity were to somehow start again, but with the climate as it currently is, would it now be warm enough in at least the south of England for humans to evolve with darker skin?
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Zephro posted:Incidentally one of the trickiest problems is nominating an executor. I can't decide if I want to nominate my girlfriend or not - presumably she'll have enough on her mind with the funeral and so on. I might go with my sister, but if she can't or won't for whatever reason I'm really not sure who else I'd choose. Interesting to realise that I don't seem to have any friends who are 1) close enough and 2) I would feel comfortable asking to take on such a bureaucratic and intimate task You can nominate more than one executor. Mine's are my partner and a local solicitor, in the expectation that the solicitor will do the grunt work and my partner will provide direction if needed. Her will is similar. Our situation is pretty straightforward though - no kids etc
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HJB posted:Idiotic hypothetical alert: If humanity were to somehow start again, but with the climate as it currently is, would it now be warm enough in at least the south of England for humans to evolve with darker skin? It's not about warmth, it's about UV radiation and vitamin D. Equator: UV rays hit the surface at a perpendicular angle, so you need sunscreen, so you get melanin, so black skin. Poles: UV rays hit at an angle, atmospheric diffraction etc, so your skin needs to produce more vitamin D from less radiation, so you get white skin. This hasn't really changed that much, so you wouldn't. Not that it matters, I don't think we'd get a second chance at this civilization thing. Hope not. Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Pochoclo posted:It's not about warmth, it's about UV radiation and vitamin D. I used it as a generic term, I knew someone would pull me up on it but you get the gist of it.
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Pochoclo posted:It's not about warmth, it's about UV radiation and vitamin D. I thought white skin was just a random mutation rather than specifically "This is what happens when..."
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Taear posted:I thought white skin was just a random mutation rather than specifically "This is what happens when..." Evolution is all about random mutations. That's how it works. OwlFancier posted:Boro has more industrial wreckage visible from most of it at least, or the hills if nothing else. The only significant industrial wreckage I can think of in the area is the steelworks at redcar.
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TheRat posted:The entire graph is negative Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed that. So even Labour's most liked politician is unliked. That's hilarious and also very miserable.
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Feb 23, 2017 18:40
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Appropriate I think, you shouldn't like politicians.
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Taear posted:I thought white skin was just a random mutation rather than specifically "This is what happens when..." Yeah, random mutations only stick around if they have some kind of selective advantage. Otherwise they just get filtered out like everything else. Technically *everything* starts as a random mutation in some way or another. Might not be a *big* advantage but it would have to be there in order to just get removed from the gene pool. Of course there's always sexual selection to consider as well, which complicates the whole "does this thing give you a competitive advantage" train of thought.
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MikeCrotch posted:Yeah, random mutations only stick around if they have some kind of selective advantage. Otherwise they just get filtered out like everything else. Technically *everything* starts as a random mutation in some way or another. Not always - a population can be the only one left and everyone comes from them and has their random mutation. Think haemophilia.
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Just been to vote. The monster raving loony party's candidate is called The Incredible Flying Brick. I like some of his policies like: Make fishing a spectator sport by introducing piranha to the Trent & have a good breakfast of oatcakes and a delicious lunch of lobby. Still didn't vote for him though.
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Meat Wagon posted:Just been to vote. The monster raving loony party's candidate is called The Incredible Flying Brick. I like some of his policies like: Make fishing a spectator sport by introducing piranha to the Trent & have a good breakfast of oatcakes and a delicious lunch of lobby. Still didn't vote for him though. Voted for the Other Loony Party (Loony Lefty Labour)>
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OwlFancier posted:Appropriate I think, you shouldn't like politicians. I like Nye Bevan
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Taear posted:Not always - a population can be the only one left and everyone comes from them and has their random mutation. Think haemophilia. Haemophilia isn't a single mutation and can happen spontaneously - there's no "patient zero" to be found, and it can affect almost any mammal.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Haemophilia isn't a single mutation and can happen spontaneously - there's no "patient zero" to be found, and it can affect almost any mammal. But the royal family are susceptible to it due to their particularly weird breeding. And I thought us having white skin was similar to that. Not a mutation for adaption but one that had occurred in the specific population that spread across Europe coincidentally. Say that the people who made the crossing to Arabia in the second migrant wave had gigantic hands and we all ended up with them coincidentally because that group had it and only bred with other gigantic handed people. Rather than a selection made because it increased survivability.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:it can affect almost any mammal. Taear posted:But the royal family are susceptible to it Well something doesn't check out here. 
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The haemophilia in the royal family almost certainly came from a novel mutation in Queen Victoria and has stuck around due to inbreeding. Its not really comparable to population level genetic effects.
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Guavanaut posted:Well something doesn't check out here. They profusely bleed because their human suits aren't perfect, yet. quote:The haemophilia in the royal family almost certainly came from a novel mutation in Queen Victoria and has stuck around due to inbreeding.
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Taear posted:I've heard people here in Manchester saying how they think the money spent on the trams should maybe have gone on buses without ever considering the buses are a business and the trams are owned by "us" as it were. There's just so many different things about how government works that people don't know at all. One of the things I do like about the GMCA is that technically Stansted is a Manchester airport. 
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Taear posted:The person I know who specifically calls herself English wouldn't consider herself a racist but is a big pusher on "Where are you REALLY from" stuff with people who just happen to have slightly different shades of skin. "But they're not really FROM here". Of course she is. I think it stems from the belief that the white English population is indigneous to Britain, so if you don't have bloodlines stretching back generations you're not English/British so should be got rid of. Honestly, the English/British identity is inherently racist. Funnily enough, these rules don't seem to apply to America, Canada and Australia...
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TinTower posted:One of the things I do like about the GMCA is that technically Stansted is a Manchester airport. If they want it, they can have it - buyer collects though. It takes a lot to make Luton look like a well-run efficient airport but by god Stansted manages it.
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Pantsuit posted:Of course she is. I think it stems from the belief that the white English population is indigneous to Britain, so if you don't have bloodlines stretching back generations you're not English/British so should be got rid of. Honestly, the English/British identity is inherently racist. Speaking as someone with pretty solid Celtic ancestors, I always like to tell these types that yeah we should totally be kicking all these Romans, Angles, Saxons, Normans etc out. Calling Nigel Farage an arriviste Huguenot oval office makes no actual difference to the world but is still satisfying.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Speaking as someone with pretty solid Celtic ancestors, I always like to tell these types that yeah we should totally be kicking all these Romans, Angles, Saxons, Normans etc out. Calling Nigel Farage an arriviste Huguenot oval office makes no actual difference to the world but is still satisfying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw
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Pantsuit posted:Of course she is. I think it stems from the belief that the white English population is indigneous to Britain, so if you don't have bloodlines stretching back generations you're not English/British so should be got rid of. Honestly, the English/British identity is inherently racist. Pretty arbitrary timespans, too. People who chat this sort of poo poo tend to forget they're genetically German if you go back far enough. Might explain the English predilection for Nazism?
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On the "what is a True English" topic there was an interesting YouGov survey last month about that when they had a spate of nationality-related polling; What makes a person English, according to the English quote:With English nationality becoming more prominent, it begs the question: who is English? Now the final installment in a series of YouGov surveys on nationality can reveal what makes a person English, according to the English themselves. Laradus fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Speaking as someone with pretty solid Celtic ancestors, I always like to tell these types that yeah we should totally be kicking all these Romans, Angles, Saxons, Normans etc out. Calling Nigel Farage an arriviste Huguenot oval office makes no actual difference to the world but is still satisfying. I was always kind of annoyed by that BBC Merlin series that had Arthur as an obvious blonde Norman type 500 years too early.
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Laradus posted:On the "what is a True English" topic there was an interesting YouGov survey last month about that when they had a spate of nationality-related polling; All the racists I've ever started fights with in pubs go mental when you ask what englishness is and remind them the poles won the battle of britain. It's literally all they have.
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Seriously the timeframe between the "England for the English"/"What is English" response to a punch is about 3 minutes.
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radmonger posted:I was always kind of annoyed by that BBC Merlin series that had Arthur as an obvious blonde Norman type 500 years too early. I'm always a little bit annoyed when people act like the Arthurian tales are English. King Arthur and his possie are like the Welsh/Brythonic(?) version of a mythical William Wallace. Just, let us have it, please. It's all we've got.
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Spangly A posted:Seriously the timeframe between the "England for the English"/"What is English" response to a punch is about 3 minutes.
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Guavanaut posted:Thought this was one of those political compasses for a second. But it is  Laradus posted:On the "what is a True English" topic there was an interesting YouGov survey last month about that when they had a spate of nationality-related polling; This is just begging for a comparison test where they have to actually apply this to some real people
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Yeah sure, show an England-born indian or arab to most of that 80% and they'll backpedal like an olympic bicyclist on crack cocaine.
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Spangly A posted:All the racists I've ever started fights with in pubs go mental when you ask what englishness is and remind them the poles won the battle of britain. It's literally all they have. is this an accurate statement? there were about 150 Polish pilots in the Battle of Britain and over 2,000 "British" pilots
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