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Paladinus posted:Is it even mansplaining if it's toward another man? Here, like nowhere else, the word patronise would make much more sense, imo. i suppose it depends who you ask, but lately i've seen it slightly generalized to refer to the particular way in which men speak with total confidence about something they have no real expertise in regardless of whether their audience has more. but i'm definitely open to correction if people, particularly women, think that's generalizing too far
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Protsplaining. Luthersplaining. Tradsplaining. Hamsplaining. We need more 'splainy words
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Ceciltron posted:Protsplaining. Luthersplaining. Tradsplaining. Hamsplaining. We need more 'splainy words i have definitely used "protsplaining" before
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Feb 23, 2017 18:33
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Bel_Canto posted:i have definitely used "protsplaining" before Definitely a good word then.
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Feb 23, 2017 18:37
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Last night I had two dreams. In one, I was selected to be the new Pope. In the other, I was crowned the King of England. What an odd Anglican power fantasy. 
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Feb 23, 2017 18:51
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I suppose "sectsplaining" wouldn't work, not if you pronounced it out loud. I tend to be pretty attached to the image of the Church as a spiritual hospital, and Christ as the Great Physician. So really, it's less "extreme vetting" and more "extreme urgent medical attention."
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Feb 23, 2017 20:00
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honestly "patronize" is perfectly good and even already contains the gendered context where applicable
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System Metternich posted:http://www.themarysue.com/pope-a-plus-twitter-game/ The same people who are constantly accusing Catholics of trying to earn their way into heaven on their own merit are gonna talk about how heaven has extreme vetting? Uh, okay, sure. Also New Jerusalem does have a huge wall! And twelve gates! Representing the Twelve Apostles and the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Except Revelation also says the gates are always open. Whoops, guess that analogy doesn't work.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Oh, okay, where's that in the Bible? Or did you get your political views mixed up with your religious ones again. I mean, if you're serious about your Christianity I woul sort of expect that to inform a lot of your politics. The bible does have some pretty hard to ignore comments about the importance of securing a positive justice in the world. To be honest the oddity for me is that a lot of Christians don't seem to politicize their religious beliefs.
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it's just too bad conservative christians ignore passages like "from each according to their means and to each according to their needs," "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven," and a lot of psalms about the poor and poverty that i don't really know off the top of my head. and, of course, "when you fed them you fed me" they don't even pay attention to the one where abortion is specifically not considered murder!
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Feb 24, 2017 03:28
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The "insomuch as you did unto others so you did unto me" bit is absolutely beautiful and I would be hard pressed to say whether I prefer it or "from each according to their ability" to describe how I think the world should be organized.
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Feb 24, 2017 03:34
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Senju Kannon posted:it's just too bad conservative christians ignore passages like "from each according to their means and to each according to their needs,"
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Feb 24, 2017 03:44
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Arsenic Lupin posted:You do know that's Karl Marx, right? there's a passage in acts where the apostles have the community pool together their money and they distribute it to each according to their specific needs
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Feb 24, 2017 03:46
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Senju Kannon posted:there's a passage in acts where the apostles have the community pool together their money and they distribute it to each according to their specific needs
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Senju Kannon posted:there's a passage in acts where the apostles have the community pool together their money and they distribute it to each according to their specific needs Yeah, they gathered everything they had among them and divided the things to each as they needed them. Marx/Engels knew exactly what they were writing.
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Senju Kannon posted:it's just too bad conservative christians ignore passages like "from each according to their means and to each according to their needs," "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven," and a lot of psalms about the poor and poverty that i don't really know off the top of my head. and, of course, "when you fed them you fed me" abortion is theft, comrade
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Senju Kannon posted:there's a passage in acts where the apostles have the community pool together their money and they distribute it to each according to their specific needs
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that was a direct quote. i never quote the bible if i can't help it
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Senju Kannon posted:i never quote the bible if i can't help it your double negative isn't helping any
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Senju Kannon posted:i never quote the bible if i can't help it An odd thing to write in a thread about liturgical christianity, certainly.
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Ceciltron posted:An odd thing to write in a thread about liturgical christianity, certainly. you're catholic, right? how many times has a priest read from the bible during confession? cause that's a part of the rubric, you know checkmate
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syscall girl posted:your double negative isn't helping any Isn't helping none.
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HEY GAIL posted:is that the one where a pair of people who refuse to do that get killed by god I thought they got killed for lying about it, not for not giving everything.
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Deteriorata posted:I thought they got killed for lying about it, not for not giving everything.
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HEY GAIL posted:like i read the bible we're not wrong for not knowing it, YOU'RE weird for knowing!
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Humans! I got my copy of the Book of Concord in the mail today. Surprisingly, it is more huge than the Catechism of the Catholic Church (though, that might just be the font size). I'm just gonna do a straight-through read 'cause I don't know how the gently caress to study this. I'll give you a trip report if it makes me a Lutheran. 
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cerror posted:Humans! I got my copy of the Book of Concord in the mail today. Surprisingly, it is more huge than the Catechism of the Catholic Church (though, that might just be the font size). I'm just gonna do a straight-through read 'cause I don't know how the gently caress to study this. I'll give you a trip report if it makes me a Lutheran. Tell us when you get to the pope parts. 
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Bel_Canto posted:i have definitely used "protsplaining" before Some "anti-religious activist" dude (why is it always a guy) tried to condescendingly explain why I can't be a gay Christian the other day, and now I'm trying to think of a 'splaining word for that
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Feb 24, 2017 09:30
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Atheistsplain would probably give non-retarded atheists a bad name, so can we just go with dumbsplain?
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Feb 24, 2017 10:20
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That's the same issue with mansplaining though. Fedorasplaining? 
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happyphage posted:Some "anti-religious activist" dude (why is it always a guy) tried to condescendingly explain why I can't be a gay Christian the other day, and now I'm trying to think of a 'splaining word for that it's with a heavy heart that i must say the straights are at it again
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happyphage posted:Some "anti-religious activist" dude (why is it always a guy) tried to condescendingly explain why I can't be a gay Christian the other day, and now I'm trying to think of a 'splaining word for that People love doing this to Muslims too and it's kind of baffling how atheists can be such scriptural literalists.
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well with muslims it's more islamophobia
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P-Mack posted:People love doing this to Muslims too and it's kind of baffling how atheists can be such scriptural literalists. I dunno, it seems straightforward to me. Most of the atheists who pull that nonsense haven't ever engaged with serious scriptural and theological study, and so they read religious scriptures with a pretty childish hermeneutic. Many of them come from backgrounds where that kind of hermeneutic was the norm, and they project it onto any religious person. People who weren't raised as literalists tend to be much more chill.
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System Metternich posted:That's the same issue with mansplaining though. asplaining
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Bel_Canto posted:I dunno, it seems straightforward to me. Most of the atheists who pull that nonsense haven't ever engaged with serious scriptural and theological study, and so they read religious scriptures with a pretty childish hermeneutic. Many of them come from backgrounds where that kind of hermeneutic was the norm, and they project it onto any religious person. People who weren't raised as literalists tend to be much more chill. I agree with the first part of this sentiment, but would argue that atheists from non-religious backgrounds, myself included, can also fall into the trap of overly literal interpretation. IME this is because the most newsworthy people are the outrageous ones. For religious people that's stuff like YE creationists and other biblical literalists. In the absence of contact with religious intellectual traditions, it becomes easy to assume that literal interpretations are the typical ones. Those are then the ones argued against, which leads to reasoning such as 'God as presented literally in the Bible is evil by modern standards. Abrahamic religion includes worship of said God, therefore Abrahamic religion is evil'. Which is a sad mirror of the ignorance shown by YE'ers and such. Before I came across this thread, my only exposure to religious thought was from a)the media, b)examination of religion from an anthropological perspective, and c) two Mormon missionaries I spent some time talking with back in my first year at uni. Kind people, but also quite young even compared to myself at the time. When I first started reading this thread, I had thought that religious intellectual traditions, if they existed at all, did so only in the form of people who were relatively intellectual 'for their time'. Or Alternatively intellectuals who were also religious were intellectual in spite of their religiosity, not because of it. I've learned differently since then. Mostly thanks to y'all, and the interest in attaining a greater understanding of religious traditions you've sparked in me.
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the Christianity thread taught me it's okay to be weird
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Pellisworth posted:the Christianity thread taught me it's okay to be weird he digested food and breathed consciously, i guess post your fav liturgifacts here
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