Kansas: The Flaming Shitshow That Is the Brownback Economy

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PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm so what's stopping them from electing another regressive that does the same thing but worse.

Clearly it's the person(Brownback) that failed regressivism and not regressivism that failed. 0 taxes isnt low enough got to go lower.

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Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

lol what

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/834533343500857346

# ? Feb 23, 2017 02:41

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

So the veto failed in the Senate?

# ? Feb 23, 2017 03:06

Anubis: Oct 9, 2003; It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.; Fun Shoe

Yep, by 3 votes. Prepare for more cuts because apparently that's the only thing Kansas knows how to do.

# ? Feb 23, 2017 03:14

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Up and down not across.

# ? Feb 23, 2017 03:29

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Anubis posted:

Yep, by 3 votes. Prepare for more cuts because apparently that's the only thing Kansas knows how to do.

Son of a bitch

# ? Feb 23, 2017 04:19

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

kiimo posted:

Up and down not across.

But what if it's the throat instead of the wrist?

This whole thing is so insane. :psyduck:

# ? Feb 23, 2017 15:39

Family Values: Jun 26, 2007

I would never force such awful governance on anyone against their will, but since the Kansas electorate volunteered themselves by electing and then re-electing this moron, I'm kinda glad to see the experiment continue. Maybe when Kansas is a failed state Republican voters will get it through their thick skulls that supply side is complete and utter bullshit they'll do something about it.

# ? Feb 23, 2017 19:00

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Family Values posted:

I would never force such awful governance on anyone against their will, but since the Kansas electorate volunteered themselves by electing and then re-electing this moron, I'm kinda glad to see the experiment continue. Maybe when Kansas is a failed state Republican voters will get it through their thick skulls that supply side is complete and utter bullshit they'll do something about it.

They're too busy cheering for a wall to keep out the immigrants that took their jobs and suck up all their tax dollars to notice.

# ? Feb 23, 2017 19:28

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

After the wall is built and the last immigrant is deported, what will the next fake problem child be?

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Potato Salad posted:

After the wall is built and the last immigrant is deported, what will the next fake problem child be?

The great historical fallback is Jews. As a Jew, I'm willing to take the heat if there's a stipend involved.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:22

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Potato Salad posted:

After the wall is built and the last immigrant is deported, what will the next fake problem child be?

Poor people, again

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:35

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

Family Values posted:

I would never force such awful governance on anyone against their will, but since the Kansas electorate volunteered themselves by electing and then re-electing this moron, I'm kinda glad to see the experiment continue. Maybe when Kansas is a failed state Republican voters will get it through their thick skulls that supply side is complete and utter bullshit they'll do something about it.

The people who didn't elect Brownback are leaving Kansas. Same with Wisconsin, really; Democrat voters have been moving to Minnesota. Blue people won't be staying in red states.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:40

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

ToxicSlurpee posted:

The people who didn't elect Brownback are leaving Kansas. Same with Wisconsin, really; Democrat voters have been moving to Minnesota. Blue people won't be staying in red states.

That's a problem.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:53

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

ToxicSlurpee posted:

The people who didn't elect Brownback are leaving Kansas. Same with Wisconsin, really; Democrat voters have been moving to Minnesota. Blue people won't be staying in red states.

Hillary won Minnesota by the skin of her teeth though.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:55

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

hobbesmaster posted:

Hillary won Minnesota by the skin of her teeth though.

GOP lite isn't very popular either

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:00

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Potato Salad posted:

That's a problem.

OK you can come and live in this hell hole and I'll live somewhere that isn't cutting gaping holes in every single social service provided by local and state governments

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:05

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Intentional or not it's a huge problem with fantasy land Reagan no tax paradises. The white collar professionals you want to build an economy around take a look at the crumbling schools and infrastructure and gtfo because they can.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:12

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

Potato Salad posted:

That's a problem.

No way in Hell will I live in a red state. My state is purple and barely tolerable. The main reason I want to stay here is that I like the terrain and climate. Even now I'm still thinking "ugh, got to move me to a blue state."

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:23

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

On the bright side Texas is a popular destination for people fleeing Oklahoma and Kansas. If the Texas GOP doesn't hurry up and destroy the state before too many educated people move here, they might lose control of it.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:33

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

2016 saw a bunch of shitbacks cronies voted out, that's why the veto passed, not enough of the Senate changed. But still it's incredible that the House had 2/3rds and the Senate was 3 shy. Big change I the right direction.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:40

Peanut Butler: Jul 25, 2003

Kansas is okay if you never go to the places that aren't Lawrence or KCK and are also white and talk like you're from JoCo

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:17

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I'm all those things and left anyway.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:29

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

VitalSigns posted:

On the bright side Texas is a popular destination for people fleeing Oklahoma and Kansas. If the Texas GOP doesn't hurry up and destroy the state before too many educated people move here, they might lose control of it.

Joe Staus and his merry band are the only thing holding back the tide of crazy and I seriously worry how long they can keep it up

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:54

rscott: Dec 10, 2009

SalTheBard posted:

2016 saw a bunch of shitbacks cronies voted out, that's why the veto passed, not enough of the Senate changed. But still it's incredible that the House had 2/3rds and the Senate was 3 shy. Big change I the right direction.

Except nothing actually changed and they're gonna jack up every consumption tax and raid the retirement fund to make it through another year, cool!

# ? Feb 24, 2017 13:12

DeathSandwich: Apr 24, 2008; I fucking hate puzzles.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

The people who didn't elect Brownback are leaving Kansas. Same with Wisconsin, really; Democrat voters have been moving to Minnesota. Blue people won't be staying in red states.

The other problem you encounter is that being a state legislator only pays about 10,000 a year and is in session for 3 months. Republicans go uncontested for a lot of these seats partially because no young democrat who isn't already independently wealthy can survive with a position like that (good luck getting a regular rear end job for the other 9 months of the year to pay your bills). Republicans don't have to worry as much about that because A) the sort of republican people who get into politics are almost always independently wealthy anyways, and B) They've got Koch brothers PAC money paying their bills behind the scenes.

One of our big victories at the local level last year was ousting Jan Pauls who was an incumbent republican and Brownback toadie. In the next house district over, the republican incumbent candidate only won by about 200 votes. During the campaign he had raised about $30,000, primarily through PACs, and his democratic challenger only raised $250 throughout the entire campaign.

This tells me that Republican support in some of these areas is extremely soft, all we have to do is break the apathy of otherwise democratic voters in the state because holy poo poo the democratic apathy is so loving real in the state.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 14:55

Peanut Butler: Jul 25, 2003

so this is interesting

A friend of mine who works with local Dems found this GOP mailer from last fall, I'm crossposting it in a few places

that hate crime murder that happened in the strip mall where I used to play starcraft and magic in the 90s and in the bar where we did our ten year reunion? Yeah don't let them blame it on Breitbart et al:

# ? Feb 25, 2017 16:19

Manifest Dynasty: Feb 29, 2008

Don't forget that plot to bomb the Somali community out in western Kansas last year.

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Babylon Astronaut: Apr 19, 2012

Or the guy who shot up a jewish community center in literally the same city.

# ? Feb 26, 2017 05:52

Anora: Feb 16, 2014; I fuckin suck!🪠

I was within a block of both of those events, when they happened, and I used to work near that Austin's. I think one of my roommates actually knows the guy that tried to stop the shooter at Austin's.

I actually felt safer growing up in Wyandotte then I do in Johnson county now.

# ? Feb 26, 2017 08:44

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

I spent a good portion of 18 to 20 at 31st Century (both original location and the current area) and it's crazy to think something like this could happen in Olathe.

# ? Feb 27, 2017 19:15

Anubis: Oct 9, 2003; It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.; Fun Shoe

SalTheBard posted:

I spent a good portion of 18 to 20 at 31st Century (both original location and the current area) and it's crazy to think something like this could happen in Olathe.

Is it? Multiple times I've been in the grocery store or similar and seen people with white power tattoos in plain sight. Several of my neighbors are pretty vocally anti-latino and I've had more than my share of run-ins with people who believe that Muslims are either not a real religion or are all either active or complacent in terrorist activities. Not trying to say that their in the majority or anything but it's certainly around here and not all that uncommon.

Maybe being a 30 something white guy people are just willing to be more up front with me, because they somehow think I'll be on their side. But honestly, I'm shocked it hasn't happened earlier and more often.

# ? Feb 28, 2017 03:54

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

SalTheBard posted:

I spent a good portion of 18 to 20 at 31st Century (both original location and the current area) and it's crazy to think something like this could happen in Olathe.

Anubis posted:

Is it? Multiple times I've been in the grocery store or similar and seen people with white power tattoos in plain sight. Several of my neighbors are pretty vocally anti-latino and I've had more than my share of run-ins with people who believe that Muslims are either not a real religion or are all either active or complacent in terrorist activities. Not trying to say that their in the majority or anything but it's certainly around here and not all that uncommon.

Maybe being a 30 something white guy people are just willing to be more up front with me, because they somehow think I'll be on their side. But honestly, I'm shocked it hasn't happened earlier and more often.

Yeah, apart from the easy access to guns which is a uniquely American thing, I can see this happening in any city anywhere in the world. There are horrible, violent, unstable racists the world over.

# ? Feb 28, 2017 04:59

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

PT6A posted:

Yeah, apart from the easy access to guns which is a uniquely American thing, I can see this happening in any city anywhere in the world. There are horrible, violent, unstable racists the world over.

They got far more vocal and open in America after Trump won.

# ? Feb 28, 2017 05:01

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Some of us are old enough to remember what Olathe was like before it gentrified. It isn't like those batshit whiskey tangos moved away. Just thinking about the Old Settlers Parade in the late 80s sends a shiver down my spine.

# ? Feb 28, 2017 16:03

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article135941473.html

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The Kansas Supreme Court is expected to release its ruling Thursday on whether the state provides adequate funding to schools.

An e-mail from the Office of Judicial Administration said the court will issue its decision shortly after 11 a.m. today.

A decision in favor of Wichita and the other school districts suing for more money would make it more difficult for state lawmakers to fill a projected budget hole and would increase pressure for a new formula that ensures adequate funding.

Kansas faces a projected shortfall of more than $900 million in the next 18 months.

The case that led to the Supreme Court decision was filed by four school districts � Wichita, Hutchinson, Kansas City and Dodge City � but decisions reached apply to all school districts across the state.

The districts claimed the state had failed its constitutional duty to provide �suitable� funding for public education on two counts: There wasn�t enough money overall, and what there was was inequitably distributed among districts.

The case, called Gannon v. Kansas, has been going on since November of 2010.

A special three-judge school finance court that initially tried the case ruled against the state and for the school districts. The state appealed to the Supreme Court.

Last year, the Supreme Court upheld part of the districts� case and agreed that school funding was unfairly divided among wealthy and poor districts.

That forced Gov. Sam Brownback to call a special session of the Legislature in June to address the court ruling, or face a court-ordered shutdown of all school systems on July 1.

The Legislature responded by shifting $38 million around the state budget to comply with the court order.

Lawmakers also turned aside an effort to pass a constitutional amendment that would have stripped the court of its authority over school finance and left all school funding decisions to the Legislature and governor.

That kept the schools open for another school year, while justices contemplated the second part of the �suitable� equation, whether the state was providing enough money overall.

That�s the �adequacy� portion of the litigation that will be decided Thursday.

School finance has been a highly controversial issue in the state for 20 years or more, repeatedly ping-ponging back and forth to the courts and influencing state politics.

After last year�s special session, groups aligned with the governor tried to oust four Supreme Court justices who had sided with the school districts.

That would have slowed the case and given the governor the chance to appoint a court majority that might see things his way.

The effort failed when voters in the November election opted to retain all the current justices who were targeted � Chief Justice Lawton Nuss and associate justices Marla J. Luckert, Carol Beier and Dan Biles.

Those opposed to the Supreme Court�s rulings took another blow when Democrats and moderate Republicans, running on pro-school platforms, defeated or replaced about two dozen Brownback-allied legislators.

Even without the Supreme Court ruling, lawmakers would have no choice but to deal with school funding in the current legislative session.

Brownback and his allies in the Legislature successfully repealed the state�s school finance formula in 2015, replacing it with two years of �block grants.� That essentially froze funding at 2014 levels while loosening some rules on how districts can spend their state aid.

The idea was the Legislature would have two years to develop a new finance formula.

Those two years are up this year, meaning that the Legislature has to come up with a new formula for funding schools this year or risk shutting down the education system for lack of spending authority.

Unless lawmakers and Brownback restore the former school funding formula, which the Supreme Court had already approved as constitutional, whatever plan emerges from the Legislature is likely to face another round of litigation.

Thus far, Brownback seems unlikely to bend much on school funding and remains staunchly opposed to reinstating the previous school-finance formula.

In his annual state of the state speech, Brownback said the state�s students �suffered� under the previous formula.

He called it �overly complicated� and claimed it �lacked accountability for results, handcuffed local school boards, and spent money unrelated to student achievement.�

Brownback proposed several initiatives, including affordable internet access for all students, expanded scholarships for college students who agree to stay and teach in Kansas and relaxing teacher certification standards to make it easier for college graduates in other fields to transition to the classroom.

He also proposed expanding an existing program that gives tax breaks to businesses and individuals to fund scholarships for students to attend private and religious schools.

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fordham: Oct 5, 2002; Your argument is invalid.; Exciting Lemon

Office Pig posted:

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/education/article135941473.html

http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article135967648.html

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Update: Kansas Supreme Court rules school funding inadequate

# ? Mar 2, 2017 21:53

Sundae: Dec 1, 2005

Is this the part of the play where the state threatens to defund the SC and gets told it's unconstitutional to do it? Or did that bluff already get called and I missed an act?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 23:34

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

Sundae posted:

Is this the part of the play where the state threatens to defund the SC and gets told it's unconstitutional to do it? Or did that bluff already get called and I missed an act?

I think that failed miserably. The court was like "lol nah you don't get to do that."

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got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Washington state is already a model for ignoring schools, despite supposedly being blue. They'll have no trouble in Kansas.

Our legislature has been ignoring the court order for five years and going so far, no jail time or anything. :shrug:

got any sevens fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 3, 2017

# ? Mar 3, 2017 01:24

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