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Well, we've got the Copeland result and it's bad for Labour. So the night goes down as lovely and you'd have to expect the PLP to start getting antsy again. Over 2000 majority is just terrible. I'm sure someone will insist it's not bad but I'd like to preemptively tell you to wheesht yerself. This is an incompetent government with terrible policies, and Labour just lost to them. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/834959266339500032 This is bad.....for Corbyn
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UKIP beaten into fourth. The media were all about saying they could win it back on December.
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Labour down 4.9%. UKIP down 9.0%. I'm guessing a lot of that swing went to the Tories.
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Tories doing well at being more UKIP than UKIP I see.
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The threat UKIP represents is that their wholesale collapse will hand votes to the Conservatives.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The threat UKIP represents is that their wholesale collapse will hand votes to the Conservatives. yup. well, turkeys voting for christmas
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bit of a mixed night overall
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Feb 24, 2017 03:56
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forkboy84 posted:Over 2000 majority is just terrible. I'm sure someone will insist it's not bad but I'd like to preemptively tell you to wheesht yerself. This is an incompetent government with terrible policies, and Labour just lost to them. Yes but it is a surprisingly popular government with popular policies. Which unfortunately is what matters in elections.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes but it is a surprisingly popular government with popular policies. Which unfortunately is what matters in elections. It's not actually that popular though. They just look more popular because the Opposition are even more unpopular. It's not all on Jeremy but it's naive to pretend he doesn't bare some responsibility. Obviously Labour's rot in its heartlands goes deeper than just 2015 to 2017, but I'd have hoped Jeremy could at least be less unpopular than he is.
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People do actually like Theresa May though. Like they look at her and her government and think "hmm yes I like this more of this please" I'm not sure what you can do about that other than euthanasia. Like I don't understand it either but people decided in 2015 that the problem with the coalition was that it wasn't tory enough and they still apparently think that the tories are at least as popular as they normally are.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The threat UKIP represents is that their wholesale collapse will hand votes to the Conservatives. Greens must be gutted their avowedly anti nuclear candidate got less than 2% of the vote.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:08
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OwlFancier posted:People do actually like Theresa May though.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:10
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I can't imagine what that might be when we have a pretty large industry in this country that involves filling the intellectual space on the low end of the scale with the worst ideas in history.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:11
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nationalising the railways would be a good loving start
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Feb 24, 2017 04:13
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new rolling stock + engines built in the UK
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As much as I like cheap rail travel I would have to say it isn't really a very helpful policy unless you're a posh twat who commutes to london every day.
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lol now the trains are for posh people cheaper trains would be useful for more people. it costs more to get between a lot of major british cities than it does to fly to paris, lisbon, rome or a bunch of other places, it's laughale
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Yes I know and it would be nice to be able to visit my other half more than a few times a year. But as a flagship policy it is not very helpful. I don't think there's many minimum wage people who need to travel between cities regularly in order to live. I would much rather have something complicated like getting rid of zero hours contracts and instituting proper on-call and sick pay in lieu of "you work regular minimum hours but you're on call 24/7 and we aren't obligated to you at all."
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OwlFancier posted:I would much rather have something complicated A Weather Machine. Half Term Breaks For Parents. gently caress knows. Something.
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I feel like perhaps that thinking might be what got us in this position in the first place what with the whole "people getting loving sick of politicians promising the earth and doing nothing and therefore voting for the most reactionary idiots available" trend going on.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like perhaps that thinking might be what got us in this position in the first place what with the whole "people getting loving sick of politicians promising the earth and doing nothing and therefore voting for the most reactionary idiots available" trend going on.
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Just popping in again to ask how the gently caress Jeremy Corbyn is still leading a major party
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Bloops Crusts posted:Just popping in again to ask how the gently caress Jeremy Corbyn is still leading a major party
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jBrereton posted:Look how many seats those idiots won just now. Paul Nuttall is crowing over people not showing up to vote for him being some kind of strategic victory. They lost about 3/5s of their vote share in Copeland. UKIP has been re-absorbed into the Conservatives, who are taking over their hard-right position and just won Copeland. The ideologues haven't gone away, they've just changed back to a less awful colour scheme.
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Darth Walrus posted:UKIP has been re-absorbed into the Conservatives, who are taking over their hard-right position and just won Copeland. The ideologues haven't gone away, they've just changed back to a less awful colour scheme.
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Feb 24, 2017 04:56
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Jesus, just let Tony Blair lead Labor again
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Bloops Crusts posted:Jesus, just let Tony Blair lead Labor again He did murder all those people. Jeremy Corbyn, for all his faults, has so far failed to directly cause the deaths of thousands of people.
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Bloops Crusts posted:Jesus, just let Tony Blair lead Labor again It's Labour, you numpty.
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Baron Corbyn posted:It's Labour, you numpty. Sorry!
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Feb 24, 2017 05:06
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Has the Trotskyite silent majority emerged yet?
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So apparently some minor hero has been slapping up some good posters in Olde London Towne   e; wait i might have been bamboozled, judging from the 2014 mentioned on that last one. Oh well good posters anyway.
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So the take from the nights results are UKIP are dead, and people are voting Tory as the they see them as the only option. The Tories would probably have won in Stoke FFS, if they had put the resources into trying to win the seat. Corbyn really has to go as this country is heading towards a 1 party state, we need an effective opposition not a protest party.
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Yes we need a Tory lite party
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ukle posted:Corbyn really has to go as this country is heading towards a 1 party state, we need an effective opposition not a protest party. Led by who?
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ukle posted:Corbyn really has to go as this country is heading towards a 1 party state, we need an effective opposition not a protest party. A one party state is one where opposition parties aren't allowed to stand, not one where they're so poo poo the government wins them all.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes I know and it would be nice to be able to visit my other half more than a few times a year. I know many many minimum wage people in this area (north Derbyshire) who have to commute to the four nearest cities, there are very few jobs in this town and it's worse if you live in an outlying village . It's the same in Lancashire and I don't doubt there are other northern counties which have the same problems. Then there is the problem of all the culture and art being in London. The London elite seem to think that all northern poor people are badly educated Chavs who are not interested in museums or galleries and so on, and that's simply not the case. I know plenty of chavs who love a museum and will willingly sit on a national express bus for 8 hours (2 hours by train), when the offers are on, so they can go to the west end. Don't tell me oh but Manchester and Liverpool have museums and galleries, firstly it means having to go to loving Manchester and secondly the whole point of a day out in London is to take advantage of the cheap tube network so you can see 50x more for free than you can in any other city. Edit: I can now buy a horse and ride to London cheaper than a train ticket, when the railways were being built being cheaper than a horse was one of the things they sold it to the public on. learnincurve fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Well done chaps you've really done a good job loving Labour up.
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jBrereton posted:Labour needs a new policy the Tories have to respond to that isn't really intellectual and that most people agree with.
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