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I may have missed this but - have you driven one of these yet?
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Nope, it'd be a completely new experimence. The closest thing I've been in might be a Formula Star Mazda, in terms of minimalism.
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Feb 23, 2017 21:01
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kimbo305 posted:I'm 100% in the same boat. I think I'd have to work fast to dump the Boxster (and the Charger?), even though my friend asked to have dibs on the Boxster when I sold it. Does anyone sell a rollbar-mounted bike rack, cuz that's what I wanted to keep the Charger for -- driving to the MTB trail. mekilljoydammit posted:
kimbo305 posted:Nope, it'd be a completely new experimence. The closest thing I've been in might be a Formula Star Mazda, in terms of minimalism.
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Feb 24, 2017 05:56
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I'd love to have one of those with a rotary in it screaming away. I'd imagine its probably as close as you'll come to a crotch rocket with 4 wheels.
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Feb 24, 2017 06:03
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InitialDave or other Brits -- familiar with Specialist Components' Typhoon ECUs? Apparently that was what was used to tune the Duratec motor in the Birkin. I'm trying to figure out if the thing has an OBD-II port, which the seller doesn't see.
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Feb 24, 2017 08:23
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http://www.bskspeedworks.co.uk/typhoon-2-ecu.html I've not heard of them, but looking here, it seems it uses its own proprietary communication to its software, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can often do more with this sort of system than you could with obd. Looks like a well featured ECU, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Feb 24, 2017 10:06
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I've spoken to Specialist Components, and they put me on to the guys who deal with the ECU stuff specifically, SCS Delta. I'll PM you the details of the guy to contact there, but they say a certain amount of OBD functionality can be retrofitted, though they'd need to discuss your precise legislative requirements. He also said that Birkin take a lot of their ECUs, but don't seem to ask this kind of thing, which implies to me that they have a work around themselves of some kind - he did recommend giving them a call.
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Feb 24, 2017 10:21
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:I've not heard of them, but looking here, it seems it uses its own proprietary communication to its software, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can often do more with this sort of system than you could with obd. I'm just guessing here based on my own state, but I'm thinking kimbo is concerned about the OBD port more for emissions testing purposes (Dave seems to be following that line of thought too). Some states - like mine - just have a blanket "if it's a 96+ passenger vehicle, we have to be able to communicate with it over an OBD2 port" rule for emissions checks. My own state bases 96+ emissions on an ECU check (except for the county I grew up in - they still do an idle + 1500 RPM rear end sniff AFAIK). TX is a little more lenient than some, in that you can have 1 readiness monitor showing not ready and still pass. But you can't have any current codes in the ECU, and the CEL cannot be triggered. Removing the CEL bulb (or taping over it) isn't an option; they're supposed to check to make sure the CEL actually works if it's 96+ (though any inspector who's worked for more than a few days knows that any current fault will turn on the CEL anyway - I haven't had an inspector actually look at the dash for more than an odometer reading in ages).
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Feb 24, 2017 11:20
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InitialDave posted:Bit poo poo. We're really lucky in the UK, the testing of kit cars is relatively sensible Despite how things get portrayed by some the UK is loose when it comes to enthusiast cars and modification in general. Throw in the fact there are limited hurdles to importing stuff (vs the US where you have to wait for something to be 25 years old to grey import it) and ample places around the country for car events. Even insurance, road excise is cheap compared to most places the only real sticking point is the cost of fuel.
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Feb 24, 2017 13:56
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kimbo305 posted:InitialDave or other Brits -- familiar with Specialist Components' Typhoon ECUs? From trying to figure this out previously, I'm going to give an approximately 0% chance that it will have an OBD2 port that will talk to an emissions station's computer and let you pass. Not because of any technical reason, but because there are zero steps between something that will honestly tell an emissions station's scanner "hey, everything is fine, this car is legal" and something that will tell it that regardless, and I don't think any standalone ECU maker is dumb enough to see how the EPA reacts to that.
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Feb 24, 2017 15:00
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They will, actually.
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Feb 24, 2017 16:02
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I'm curious how gray they're willing to get. If it's just a matter of finding the right signal lines on the existing harness to match to the OBD pinout, maybe it's not that bad.InitialDave posted:I'll PM you the details of the guy to contact there, but they say a certain amount of OBD functionality can be retrofitted, though they'd need to discuss your precise legislative requirements. I emailed the SCS contact as well as the original tuner of the car, who now owns Birkin distribution in the US. The tuner confirmed the car doesn't have an OBD port, and that an O2 sensor was only used to do initial tuning, not installed for closed loop monitoring. They build stock Ecoboost motors with Ford ECUs, and I guess the Typhoon is their solution for custom configs where one might use a Megasquirt. In the SVT Focus I had a while back, the tuner was able to flash the Ford ECU to handle the aftermarket supercharger just fine; you'd think the capability is there. Maybe it's much cheaper to get the motors without ECU and loom?
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Feb 24, 2017 16:22
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What he said to me was that it can be set up to output an OBD type of confirmation that there are no codes, but it can't actually do the self-diagnostics, so it depends how deeply they'll look into it. My impression was that as long as they're looking to plug in and see "OBD system here, chief, and everything's just peachy from my point of view", it'll work, but if they want to test it as an OBD system, that can't be done. I assume they went standalone because - when you're buying new kit - aftermarket ECUS are as cheap or cheaper than OEM ones, and completely open to play with.I think if you used a donor car, it'd be a different balance. Edit: Also, they do make custom loom and basemap kits to just put the ECU on a car and have it all work, IIRC they used to do classic Minis a lot. InitialDave fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Feb 24, 2017 16:38
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Illegal as gently caress, but I wonder how hard it would be to put together an Arduino or something that spoofs all of the appropriate OBDII commands / responses.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:24
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It would be easier to run a stock ECU out of a car that runs that motor and has the ECU open so you can force OBD sensors as ready. In the BMW world this is how catless cars pass OBD only tests. Forced readyness.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:53
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Same for the LSx world. You can make the ECU ignore conditions that would otherwise set CELs.
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Feb 24, 2017 18:55
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:I'm just guessing here based on my own state, but I'm thinking kimbo is concerned about the OBD port more for emissions testing purposes (Dave seems to be following that line of thought too). Ah, ok. I'm pretty sure we don't have that in the UK, at least I've never heard of it. I figured you guys just stuck a probe up the tailpipe like a normal person. Does every car, even kit cars/home-built vehicles really need an OBD port?
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Feb 24, 2017 18:58
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:I figured you guys just stuck a probe up the tailpipe like a normal person. Does every car, even kit cars/home-built vehicles really need an OBD port? Varies per state. Massachusetts regulation is reasonably well-meaning but applies to such a low volume. The Ford tuner I asked said he was confident that he could flash a stock Duratec ECU to drive the car with proper OBD diagnostics. Would be very pricy given setting up the wiring harness and tuning time.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:08
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Pomp and Circumcized posted:Ah, ok. I'm pretty sure we don't have that in the UK, at least I've never heard of it. In Arizona we have two lines at the emissions stations. One for pre-96 cars - These go on the rollers, have the gas cap checked for leakage, and are generally inspected for emissions components such as the charcoal canister. One for 96+ cars - These have an OBD reader plugged in and are automatically passed if all of the emissions devices come back ready (I think there is a grace for a some that are not ready) and they test the gas cap. Cars with collectors car plates and motorcycles are exempt.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:22
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Mass has the same pre/post OBD rule. It used to do the sniffer test for OBD cars, too, but they stopped at some point in the last few years. Pre-OBD cars just get an exhaust safety inspection. I know I can be a stubborn and irrational person, and at this point, those traits are working on how to register this car for normal street use, not just as a collector. Though even there, I'm not sure if that inspection is different.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:27
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Can't you register it in a more sensible jurisdiction, like Wisconsin or something? Emissions testing is all standardized here but my cars are registered in my parent's little town and the insurance rates are lower as a result, for example.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:35
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mobby_6kl posted:Can't you register it in a more sensible jurisdiction, like Wisconsin or something? Emissions testing is all standardized here but my cars are registered in my parent's little town and the insurance rates are lower as a result, for example. A long time ago I had an Audi coupe quattro. It was black and needed tinted windows to look proper, especially since the interior was puke tan. During that time, the local constabulary had a hard on for ticketing tinted windows. After paying for a couple tickets, I got tired of the hassle. So, I drove the car down to Texas where my parents were living. I signed the car over to my mom and plated it there. I drove back to Ohio and the local cops couldn't touch me. I would think the same thing would apply in Mass? Since, technically, you're borrowing someone's car. I guess the only problem would be insurance, but I never had an issue... I've never had to prove my ownership of a vehicle to get it insured.
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Feb 24, 2017 20:15
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Seminal Flu posted:I guess the only problem would be insurance, but I never had an issue... I've never had to prove my ownership of a vehicle to get it insured. What about state of title?
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Feb 24, 2017 23:34
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There's always that montana llc registration thing. Lot of people have sports cars and rvs registered here. Technically I think that is considered tax evasion though.
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Feb 25, 2017 00:07
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poo poo title it to me, you wouldn't be the first person  Where I am in TN they don't check or care about anything. If it has a vin and lights it's able to be registered...my race car will be street registered, don't even have to go collector plates if I don't feel like it.
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Feb 25, 2017 00:32
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kimbo305 posted:What about state of title? I never had any claims, but it was insured in my name with full coverage. I don't think there would have been an issue if something had happened, since the insurance company is basing pricing based on car "x" in locality "y," and those were correct and legit. The title itself just happened to be from a state several states away.
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Feb 25, 2017 02:38
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Seminal Flu posted:I never had any claims, but it was insured in my name with full coverage. I don't think there would have been an issue if something had happened, since the insurance company is basing pricing based on car "x" in locality "y," and those were correct and legit. The title itself just happened to be from a state several states away. I think that works for me -- if it's an issue when I ask for the policy change, I'll say I'm driving my friend's car and want proper insurance coverage on it.
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Feb 25, 2017 03:13
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kimbo305 posted:What about state of title? Was thinking of titling a new car in my moms name a few months ago and talked to insurance and they told me they didn't care who owned it if I was driving it I needed to insure it for myself
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Feb 25, 2017 03:31
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kimbo305 posted:Mass has the same pre/post OBD rule. It used to do the sniffer test for OBD cars, too, but they stopped at some point in the last few years. Pre-OBD cars just get an exhaust safety inspection. Not quite. If the model year is over 15 years old, mass doesn't give a rats rear end about the CEL, just safety and exhaust leaks. Example: last summer (end of July 2016) I bought my latest shitbox forester, a 2001, registered it and passed inspection with the CEL on for P0420, P0443, and a few others. Lights Windshield Seat belts Horn No rust holes No exhaust leaks Tread depth Suspension safety (balljoints etc) Brakes Tint Airbag light Washers Wipers Parking brake No fuel leaks Boom you just passed mass inspection as long as your car is >15 on the title. ABS warning lamp can even be on. If you need more info or to bounce ideas off me, let me know. I nearly lost my license because of inspection tickets in 2014 and as a result I now know way way too much about inspection laws... and where to take my shitboxes for inspection. Seminal Flu posted:A long time ago I had an Audi coupe quattro. It was black and needed tinted windows to look proper, especially since the interior was puke tan. During that time, the local constabulary had a hard on for ticketing tinted windows. After paying for a couple tickets, I got tired of the hassle. Do you want a tax evasion lawsuit? This is how you get one. All it takes is one cop having a bad day and seeing you. If you wanted to do this, I would recommend a nearby state that you never drive in with lax inspection laws. For instance maine. They don't pull your tags for failure to inspect, and no mass cop cares that your maine car is uninspected if you manage to get pulled over. In border towns like mine the out of state plates are suspicious, but probably not in Boston. But tags from way far away are still suspicious, especially if it is a state well known for lax auto laws like Florida, Montana, Alaska, etc E: if you want to be legal about it, buy a lovely hunting property in northern maine, register your crap there, and as long as you spend at least 6mo a year there or can claim you do with convincing proof, you are following the law. I am not sure what happens if you"live" in 3 states for 4mo each, either 
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Feb 26, 2017 06:21
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kastein posted:Do you want a tax evasion lawsuit? This is how you get one. All it takes is one cop having a bad day and seeing you. Tax evasion lawsuit? Lol. Again, everything depends on states. There are no tax issues in either Ohio or Texas, the two states I was talking about. Even if there were, it'd be impossible to prove, since I was just borrowing my mom's car.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:06
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The buyer linked me to the shipping company's details on the actual shipment. It's going on this ship: https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/YM-MODERATION-IMO-9664897-MMSI-371633000 and should show up in Rotterdam on 3/17. Quite a long journey.
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Feb 27, 2017 07:48
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Seminal Flu posted:Tax evasion lawsuit? Lol. Again, everything depends on states. There are no tax issues in either Ohio or Texas, the two states I was talking about. Even if there were, it'd be impossible to prove, since I was just borrowing my mom's car. Yes, but Kimbo lives in the same state as me, and we love our tax money. Not to say I haven't considered doing exactly what people were talking about, but I know for a fact some towns here try to bust people for it.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:21
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Anyone know a guy in Maine? NH is pretty much harmonious inspection-wise as far as OBD testing. I'm still gonna bid on this thing, though probably not with the same enthusiasm as if I knew it would just all work out fine.
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Feb 28, 2017 04:41
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kimbo305 posted:Anyone know a guy in Maine? NH is pretty much harmonious inspection-wise as far as OBD testing. I actually do. Peter Stevens, the silent, silent partner. Second cousin to Harvey the Rabbit.
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Feb 28, 2017 05:04
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Birkin auction ends in under 4 hours. I'm gonna try to limit myself to one bid. Each bid gets a 5% hold on your card, so rebidding a lot might flag something with my bank.
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Feb 28, 2017 17:52
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kimbo305 posted:Birkin auction ends in under 4 hours. I'm gonna try to limit myself to one bid. It's 5% per bid?! Holy poo poo that's retarded. Good luck though and work a gimmick number into the bid amount
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Feb 28, 2017 18:23
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kimbo305 posted:Birkin auction ends in under 4 hours. I'm gonna try to limit myself to one bid. Good luck. I'd have been all over something like that over my s2k.
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Feb 28, 2017 18:36
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kimbo305 posted:Birkin auction ends in under 4 hours. I'm gonna try to limit myself to one bid. I've warned my bank before hand when I planned on getting on a bidding war. I'll be watching it closely but I won't be bidding, I've since talked a little sense into my head somehow. Good luck
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Feb 28, 2017 19:21
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Surely the logical thing would be a hold for easch increase over your previous bid?
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InitialDave posted:Surely the logical thing would be a hold for easch increase over your previous bid? I don't write the software  Also, I don't see that the winning price is 2nd price like eBay -- you pay whatever you bid. Sorta make sense in that it encourages you to bid what you'll be willing to pay, not to go just past the winning bid.
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