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mehall posted:This shows that many critics of Corbyn are right when they say he needs to work on his messaging. Corbyn really likes nuance. It's one of the things that made him great as a principled backbencher and constituency MP but isn't a great quality in an opposition leader getting a camera shoved in his face 24/7.
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Corbyn's big problem is that he's not aggressive enough. In times like these you need a firebrand and not a compromiser.
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Looke posted:who is cathy brennon They all strike me as about as feminist as Fred West, but Brennon is famous for outing trans kids at school and in general to their employers, so it's understandable why people might want to block her from doxxing them. Her partner and some other people are in on it too, so it seems like making that information private would be better than blocking one notorious poo poo, but some people have reasons to want things public but away from her.
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MikeCrotch posted:Corbyn really likes nuance. It's one of the things that made him great as a principled backbencher and constituency MP but isn't a great quality in an opposition leader getting a camera shoved in his face 24/7. That's why I had it be a longer statement. A standard leader would just answer 10. A reasonably good leader would say the first bit, about "10 for staying in." Lead with the message people want to hear, then answer with detail about your nuanced position. People' trust first reactions.
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mehall posted:This shows that many critics of Corbyn are right when they say he needs to work on his messaging. None of that other stupid poo poo.
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jBrereton posted:I'm 10 on keeping us in the EU. You don't think it's important to reform portions of the EU? You don't think it's important to show EU sceptics that you're not accepting everything as it is at present at saying "leaving isn't the right choice, here's how my Labour would handle the EU"
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/24/paul-nuttall-going-nowhere-hes-right-ukip-stoke-centralquote:What an interesting adventure Paul Nuttall has had in Stoke. But like Mr Benn, Mr Nuttall must now return his tweed Nigel Farage suit to the proprietor of the fancy dress shop.
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Corbyn's comments were as part of a rambling discussion on a comedy show while dressed as https://res.cloudinary.com/dods/image/upload/c_fill,g_center,h_500,w_1120/v1/UK%20politicians/corbyn_c4_fnpd06.jpg I don't blame Corbyn for not saying the right thing in that. I think it was an idiotic and arrogant idea to go on that show in the first place with the vote imminent. quote:One question submitted via Twitter from viewer Martin Jubb, cleanly asked: ‘Why are you on a comedy show if you have NO sense of humour??’
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We need a hardcore socialist with Hitler-level charisma, replacing the madness and evil with actual goodwill of course.
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mehall posted:You don't think it's important to reform portions of the EU?
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New Labour took lots of their ideology from Giddens - fair enough. It's third way stuff (really though I shouldn't say ideology because third wayism is defined by its lack of ideology). However it also took influence from Charles Murray. You should look him up. I'm sure the walking, physical embodiment of a PPE degree known as Ronya might have some words about him. He's basically a monster. There's a direct line from him to Reagan, Thatcher and then Blair. He particularity doesn't like single mums or the 'underclass' as he terms it. Frankly, I'd rather vote for a cock and sickle. Also there's the whole million dead Iraqis. Yeah, that stretches the perfect being the enemy of good for me. haakman fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Yes we do need *PERFECT LEADER* to !!!!lead!!!! Labour. Where, exactly, is this *PERFECT LEADER* going to come from? Does anyone like that currently exist within the Labour party? Are they going to be grown quickly in a vat?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Yes we do need *PERFECT LEADER* to !!!!lead!!!! Labour. Where, exactly, is this *PERFECT LEADER* going to come from? Does anyone like that currently exist within the Labour party? Are they going to be grown quickly in a vat? Not to mention that if it isn't Tony Blair they'll immediately come under the exact same fire Corbyn has done from Murdoch's press machine.
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At this point I will accept a fairly above average press and publicity team with a non poo poo spin doctor more than a perfect leader.
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Considering Blair cheated with Murdoch's wife I doubt he'd get good press either
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Jose posted:Considering Blair cheated with Murdoch's wife I doubt he'd get good press either Yeah remember when that whole Iraq inquiry was going on. I certainly wouldn't call that good press (though they were hypocritical in a massive way since they were far more bloodthirsty than him back then, but hey when did ever matter to Sun).
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Skinty McEdger posted:At this point I will accept a fairly above average press and publicity team with a non poo poo spin doctor more than a perfect leader. Agreed.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Yes we do need *PERFECT LEADER* to !!!!lead!!!! Labour. Where, exactly, is this *PERFECT LEADER* going to come from? Does anyone like that currently exist within the Labour party? Are they going to be grown quickly in a vat? Some *campers* are not so good for *elections*. We need better *parties*.
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Jose posted:Considering Blair cheated with Murdoch's wife I doubt he'd get good press either Rupert MurCuck.
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Farage has said UKIP lost because they weren't 'clear enough' on immigration. Look out for UKIP lurching even further towards the right in the near future.
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What happens if Ukippers get their wish and all the immigrants actually go?
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jabby posted:Farage has said UKIP lost because they weren't 'clear enough' on immigration.
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and i must meme posted:What happens if Ukippers get their wish and all the immigrants actually go? Nothing. As in, nothing will happen in the UK any more.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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HJB posted:Nothing. As in, nothing will happen in the UK any more. Sounds like a net good, considering what's usually happening.
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HJB posted:Nothing. As in, nothing will happen in the UK any more. Lol sure, losing 20% of your general workforce and about 60% of your IT workforce is not going to have any serious effects at all. Not to mention lost tax revenue. Unless you mean absolutely nothing, in which case you'd be wrong. You'll still have Marmite.
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and i must meme posted:What happens if Ukippers get their wish and all the immigrants actually go? They'll move onto the naturalised citizens and the gays.
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Pochoclo posted:Lol sure, losing 20% of your general workforce and about 60% of your IT workforce is not going to have any serious effects at all. Not to mention lost tax revenue. Which is already about as appealing as bose einsteinian condensate so it'll fit right in.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Corbyn's big problem is that he's not aggressive enough. In times like these you need a firebrand and not a compromiser. He is also too aggressive. Far to left wing and yet not left wing enough. He is going to end up like Dorfl in Feet of Clay.
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Collateral posted:He is also too aggressive. Far to left wing and yet not left wing enough. The only things Corbyn is aggressive on are issues no one cares about.
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If Jeremy Corbyn turns into an indestructible avatar of socialism and rampages through the house laying waste to everything about him, that would honestly be pretty good I think.
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and i must meme posted:What happens if Ukippers get their wish and all the immigrants actually go? Gonzo McFee posted:They'll move onto the naturalised citizens and the gays. see that thing i said about how fascists are never satisfied and also that thing about how if you keep pushing on stuff you end up with camps
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Fangz posted:The only things Corbyn is aggressive on are issues no one cares about. That went right over your head, admit it. You are an illiterate prole who has never read Feet of Clay.
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Fangz posted:The only things Corbyn is aggressive on are issues no one cares about. Collateral posted:You are an illiterate prole who has never read Feet of Clay.
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Guavanaut posted:Like people not being able to eat or heat their flats. It'd be nice if people did care about that though. Given the context was that "Corbyn is being criticised for being too aggressive on some issues" I was thinking of stuff like Trident. I certainly do not think anyone can criticise Corbyn for being too much of a firebrand on issues to do with poverty. Do YOU think his performance is enough on those issues? Sorry, I read Feet of Clay too long ago, I don't remember who the Gollum character is in it.
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What do people think of Clive Lewis? Beloved by the Remain crowd, but was on good terms with Corbyn
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Collateral posted:That went right over your head, admit it. I love Pratchett more than a lot of people, but I don't think being a Discworld fan is necessary or sufficient to achieve adult literacy
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Panama Red posted:What do people think of Clive Lewis? Beloved by the Remain crowd, but was on good terms with Corbyn Fine? Seems like a good bloke but he's only been an MP just under two years. Definitely needs to get more experience before going for leadership - would not be surprised to see him take over from Corbyn in the event of a bad result for Labour in the 2020 general election.
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Fangz posted:Given the context was that "Corbyn is being criticised for being too aggressive on some issues" I was thinking of stuff like Trident. I certainly do not think anyone can criticise Corbyn for being too much of a firebrand on issues to do with poverty.
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Guavanaut posted:Like people not being able to eat or heat their flats. It'd be nice if people did care about that though. This is true, I am ashamed. The point I was trying to make is that the more unrealistic hope is painted into the picture of our saviour, JC, the more likely he is going to satisfy nobody. The papers are gleefully helping out here. And the Discworld isn't enough to teach adult literacy? It would not help in the majority of cases of illiteracy would it? Collateral fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 24, 2017 |
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Guavanaut posted:It's the only thing I can remember him getting shouty over recently. I'm not sure that a lot of people will care until it happens to them, and too many people seem to be wrapped up in some kind of just world idea that it doesn't happen to strivers and people with aspiration. I can believe you when you say that, because my impression is that Corbyn hasn't been shouty over a single thing for ages.
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