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Tesseraction posted:I like the mirroring of the UKIP vote by the Tory vote. Labour and the Lib Dems mirrored yet again.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:But we can continue to blame it all on Corbyn I guess. i dove deep into the data and i think i've found a pattern  
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kustomkarkommando posted:i dove deep into the data and i think i've found a pattern Turns out Big Tone is an election winning machine.
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i think i've figured out the secret to electoral success. hold my pint
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I got five francs on the weekend to do stuff with (which turned into ten when I started middle school), and 2 francs a day to buy a croissant from the bakery across my school at the break. Of course I usually saved the croissant money to go buy bionicles with on the weekend. Bionicles were cool af.
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kustomkarkommando posted:i think i've figured out the secret to electoral success. hold my pint Is it being a credible, grown up politician who knows how to speak in public?
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Of course it's worth pointing out that Labour was polling at or above the 1997 victory figures before Tony Blair became leader. Then 1997 had the lowest turnout since 1945. Followed by a staggering 10 point drop in turnout in 2001. What a loving inspirational man.
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Pissflaps posted:Turns out Big Tone is an election winning machine.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Of course it's worth pointing out that Labour was polling at or above the 1997 victory figures before Tony Blair became leader.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Of course it's worth pointing out that Labour was polling at or above the 1997 victory figures before Tony Blair became leader. In your world is anyone ever reasponsible for anything?
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kustomkarkommando posted:i think i've figured out the secret to electoral success. hold my pint Nigel Farage tried that, it didn't really work out.
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jBrereton posted:It's not about who turns up, it's about who wins. Winning is a lot easier if people turn up and vote for you mind.
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Guavanaut posted:Someone beat you. My dad was in the ROC until it was stood down in the early '90s. Even got to go to Buckingham Palace for some afternoon tea party, which I'd totally forgotten happened until you posted that map. I've no idea why he got involved, I think it was just an excuse to hang out with his friends. But there's something reassuring about the idea that at least some of the people in the ROC were totally chill stoners. jabby posted:Saying Corbyn has damaged the left is a bit extreme considering prior to his leadership the left consisted entirely of him, John McDonnell, and the Green party. It was the left's first chance at the leadership of a major party since Michael Foot, which was before I was born. And they dropped the ball. They have done a piss poor job of standing out, apart from on Trident. And that's an unpopular policy. It could quite easily be another 30 years until we get another sniff. That's damaging.
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OwlFancier posted:Winning is a lot easier if people turn up and vote for you mind.
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Pissflaps posted:In your world is anyone ever reasponsible for anything? -someone who ignores the freefall of Labour's support and finances under New Labour in government
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Pissflaps posted:In your world is anyone ever reasponsible for anything? Yes, the actual decisions and actions they make and not the fairy tales people tell. jBrereton posted:It's not about who turns up, it's about who wins. And then you get Brexit. Who knew. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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forkboy84 posted:It was the left's first chance at the leadership of a major party since Michael Foot, which was before I was born. And they dropped the ball. They have done a piss poor job of standing out, apart from on Trident. And that's an unpopular policy. It could quite easily be another 30 years until we get another sniff. That's damaging. Hard to stand out when Tony purged everyone who was a threat
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Yes, the actual decisions and actions they make and not the fairy tales people tell. A consequence of Corbyn's decisions and actions was a disastrous by-election result in Copeland last night.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I didn't claim the linear interpolation between the points meant anything and nobody was having a conversation about that. Drawing lines between data points is normal and I'm sorry I obviously confused you. I'd like to point out that I adhered to the practice of marking the discrete data points with squares to make it clear that it wasn't continuous data. Fair enough, I think the black arrow being placed where it was may have confused me.  As you correctly say, the line it's pointing to means nothing.
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It is disgustingly irresponsible of Corbyn that he hasn't resigned today after he lead his party to humiliating defeat in that by-election.
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hakimashou posted:It is disgustingly irresponsible of Corbyn that he hasn't resigned today after he lead his party to humiliating defeat in that by-election. Tell me more 
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Paxman posted:Fair enough, I think the black arrow being placed where it was may have confused me. I would've hoped that the graph title would've given away that a certain amount of the presentation is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. Pissflaps posted:A consequence of Corbyn's decisions and actions was a disastrous by-election result in Copeland last night. It's understandable given that you're not a member of a political party and have no loving clue about the amount of hard work and sheer number of different people that goes into every level of politics that you'd rather just put all the blame and credit on certain individuals of national prominence because you're lazy. I'm really sorry the world is too complex for you to understand Pissflaps, I really am.
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Doesn't include the contextual nature of reality.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm really sorry the world is too complex for you to understand Pissflaps, I really am. None of this is Corbyn's fault and only people as clever as you are able to understand this. I see.
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Pissflaps posted:Doesn't include the contextual nature of reality. You're completely ignoring that I and others acknowledge that Corbyn's unpopularity in Copeland was a (relatively small) factor but ok sure.
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forkboy84 posted:It was the left's first chance at the leadership of a major party since Michael Foot, which was before I was born. And they dropped the ball. They have done a piss poor job of standing out, apart from on Trident. And that's an unpopular policy. It could quite easily be another 30 years until we get another sniff. That's damaging. No, that's failing to capitalise on an opportunity. If Corbyn doesn't achieve anything then the Left will go back to the position it was in before his leadership, which is to say absolutely nowhere. You're acting like his election was the culmination of a carefully planned assault on capitalism rather than one of the few remaining left-wing Labour MPs getting thrust into the limelight against all expectation.
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Pissflaps posted:None of this is Corbyn's fault and only people as clever as you are able to understand this. I see. I prefer to try and find the actual root cause of events rather than pick the easiest story and just go with it.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:You're completely ignoring that I and others acknowledge that Corbyn's unpopularity in Copeland was a (relatively small) factor but ok sure. You cant let the fantasy of corbynismo overtake the reality of Corbyn. He is no good.
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Pissflaps posted:None of this is Corbyn's fault and only people as clever as you are able to understand this. I see. so you only quote the parts that give you the answer you want as opposed to the whole response which you can't answer. I see
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Pissflaps posted:None of this is Corbyn's fault and only people as clever as you are able to understand this. I see. Let's be fair, being cleverer than you is a rather low bar. I mean, you think people are saying Corbyn is blameless when the only thing to suggest as such is a Have I Got News For You tweet. Which is not actually a poster in this thread, I feel the need to point out for you.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I prefer to try and find the actual root cause of events rather than pick the easiest story and just go with it. No youre trying to spin a line of nuance to defend the farce that is Jeremy Corbyn.
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Pissflaps posted:No youre trying to spin a line of nuance to defend the farce that is Jeremy Corbyn. Horseshit. You can't even defend your own farce. I see
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Tesseraction posted:Let's be fair, being cleverer than you is a rather low bar. I mean, you think people are saying Corbyn is blameless when the only thing to suggest as such is a Have I Got News For You tweet. Which is not actually a poster in this thread, I feel the need to point out for you. If everyone was as clever as pissflaps there wouldn't be a brexit and you'd have won that by-election because jeremy corbyn wouldn't be an albatross around the neck of labour.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Then 1997 had the lowest turnout since 1945. Followed by a staggering 10 point drop in turnout in 2001. You can always graph the raw votes too 
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This but unironically.
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Tesseraction posted:Let's be fair, being cleverer than you is a rather low bar. I mean, you think people are saying Corbyn is blameless when the only thing to suggest as such is a Have I Got News For You tweet. Which is not actually a poster in this thread, I feel the need to point out for you. I may not be clever but at least I didn't vote Leave.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Horseshit. You can't even defend your own farce. I see Isn't the real farce that labour lost a super safe seat it had held for 80 years, in a shocking political debacle the likes of which hasnt been seen in four decades, because of the most unpopular party leader in the party's history, an arrogant entitled man who puts himself before his party and refuses to do the honourable thing and resign?
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Jezza Corbyn has had a rough week so i hope he takes some time over the weekend to just sit back and relax, hell, he has earned it !
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forkboy84 posted:My dad was in the ROC until it was stood down in the early '90s. Even got to go to Buckingham Palace for some afternoon tea party, which I'd totally forgotten happened until you posted that map. I've no idea why he got involved, I think it was just an excuse to hang out with his friends. But there's something reassuring about the idea that at least some of the people in the ROC were totally chill stoners. Nowadays all that strategic comms that still exists is probably farmed out to ATOS or G4S.
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