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Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
The other approach is to reshoot the end scene of the previous season. I remember The Shield doing that once, as I was really into production at the time and noticed the camera change.

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The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006

Looten Plunder posted:

I feel like there are plenty of these moments in Coen Bros films and Jeremy Saulnier films.

The Cohens for example, make you think like you're watching a quirky comedy but then there are massive bursts of violence out of nowhere. I know it's not actually the Coen's but it's certainly an homage to them; The pilot of Season 1 of Fargo when his wife dies is completely unexpected.

Ditto for Saulnier. Blue Ruin's premise is about subverting our expectations of action movies/thrillers.

Yea I thought of Burn After Reading and brad Pitt in the closet

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

got any sevens posted:

Who shot Mr Burns?

It was someone with Simpson DNA. Santa's Little Helper.

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
I'm watching The Girl on the Train, and it makes heavy use of a technique I've always hated but don't know the name of. It's like a weird, fake offshoot of slow motion, where every other frame is skipped. A lot of movies use it sparingly to extend a shot by a few seconds, but it's all over this movie, even the opening credits. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Is there a name for this?

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006
Grimey Drawer
Apparantly it's called "step fronting"? According to this anyway.
http://www.india.com/showbiz/why-director-used-slow-motion-shots-for-the-girl-on-the-train-1549100/

What's step fronting? I don't know, because the only links google has for that term are links to this same article.

Edit: I haven't seen the movie, but if it's the same type of slow mo that you see in the likes of Gladiator or Saving Private Ryan, it looks like this article explains it.
https://cinemashock.org/2012/07/30/45-degree-shutter-in-saving-private-ryan/

Looten Plunder fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Feb 16, 2017

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are all among my all-time favorite movies. But they're also somehow the only Paul Verhoeven movies I've seen. Is anything else he's done worth watching?

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are all among my all-time favorite movies. But they're also somehow the only Paul Verhoeven movies I've seen. Is anything else he's done worth watching?

I remember liking Black Book.

Although it was a while ago, I think it was subtitled and I was distracted/drinking while I watched it.

Seemed pretty good for all that and I remember making a note to self to rewatch it but haven't yet. v0v

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are all among my all-time favorite movies. But they're also somehow the only Paul Verhoeven movies I've seen. Is anything else he's done worth watching?

Yes, but you're not going to get anything that is the same genre as those movies. You have a fantastic WOII double-bill in Soldier of Orange and Black Book. Or you could go for sex & violence pairing with The Fourth Man and Basic Instinct (and perhaps finish it off with Hollow Man?)

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Feb 18, 2017

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago. You would see a telephoto establishing shot and hear the beat, and the camera would then slowly pan down to reveal the music was a group of rice farmers, and then start trickling in more instrumentation. Specifically not radios/speakers in the film

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted

Penpal posted:

Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago. You would see a telephoto establishing shot and hear the beat, and the camera would then slowly pan down to reveal the music was a group of rice farmers, and then start trickling in more instrumentation. Specifically not radios/speakers in the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi8IWqic0U :v:

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u26tUeVITCU

Edit: This one doesn't really count, but I thought it was fun to mention (also, Ben Stiller has a noticeable stand-in).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOrjwuILCE&t=86s

Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Feb 18, 2017

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Penpal posted:

Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago. You would see a telephoto establishing shot and hear the beat, and the camera would then slowly pan down to reveal the music was a group of rice farmers, and then start trickling in more instrumentation. Specifically not radios/speakers in the film

The dogma 95 films are all diegetic. Iirc they use a music box at one point in Festen/The Celebration.

Secret Agent X23
May 11, 2005

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore.

Penpal posted:

Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago. You would see a telephoto establishing shot and hear the beat, and the camera would then slowly pan down to reveal the music was a group of rice farmers, and then start trickling in more instrumentation. Specifically not radios/speakers in the film

I think Blazing Saddles has to be mentioned here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD6aM7sZHWk

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Robocop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are all among my all-time favorite movies. But they're also somehow the only Paul Verhoeven movies I've seen. Is anything else he's done worth watching?

Basic Instinct and Showgirls are great. Black Book is very solid. The Fourth Man is solid too, but to me kinda feels like a less-good trial run for Basic Instinct. Flesh & Blood is okay. Hollow Man is bad.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Penpal posted:

Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago. You would see a telephoto establishing shot and hear the beat, and the camera would then slowly pan down to reveal the music was a group of rice farmers, and then start trickling in more instrumentation. Specifically not radios/speakers in the film

Face/Off, choir singing The Messiah at the beginning and Nick Cage dancing to it

Secret Agent X23
May 11, 2005

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore.
I think The Man Who Knew Too Much has another good example of diagetic music. A political assassination attempt choreographed to the music of an orchestral concert:

1934 version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoN2v6w3Gbc
1956 version (better): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjCLKo-ib4I

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Paul Verhoeven's Spetters is pretty crazy.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Abigail's Party features diagetic music, both in the immediate action and as a reminder of the party next door, which continues playing into the credits after the husband dies.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler
e: IGNORE ME!

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Ohhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAevxbgjc8

Olsenbanden = Olsen Gang is like the Danish Ocean's 11 except they're 3 dudes & they've made like 15 movies over 30 years or so. Anyway, this heist scene is all about the diegetic classical music (Elverhøj link to english wiki).

Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Feb 19, 2017

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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Get Equipped with
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I think the entirety of The Guest is diegetic. I might be wrong on one or two parts.

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006
The Triplets of Belleville is a fantastic movie with all diegetic sound. And no dialogue.

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Thanks for all of the replies, gonna sift through those examples.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
A group watch of Showgirls followed by Starship Troopers while drinking heavily is a fine way to spend an evening.

VROOM VROOM
Jun 8, 2005

Crumps Brother posted:

I think the entirety of The Guest is diegetic. I might be wrong on one or two parts.

I watched it once keeping this in mind and I'm pretty sure the only music that's not clearly explained is the porn music when he comes out of the steamy bathroom half-naked, but I choose to believe that he had a boombox inside there playing it.

Along similar lines, You're Next is very sparse with its music, only using the one diegetic song over and over until it goes all-out with Carpenter-style music during the carpenting montage. :v:

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006
Grimey Drawer

Penpal posted:

Can anyone name any movies that use a diegetic soundtrack at any point? The one that comes to my mind is the Zatooichi live action that came out a while ago.

Birdman has a ton of diegetics in it. I think the whole movie was intended to be entirely like this but there are a couple of scenes that fail to really explain where the music is coming from.

Green Room is also mostly diegetic, although the majority of it is from car stereos or bands playing on stage which is what you wanted to avoid. One great example of diagetic score comes in the famous dog hunting dog scene in that film though.

bows1
May 16, 2004

Chill, whale, chill
Is there a film that has less music or score than No Country For Old Men?

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

bows1 posted:

Is there a film that has less music or score than No Country For Old Men?

I don't recall how much music is in NCfOM, but I've seen plenty of films with zero music. Most of Michael Haneke's films, for instance, have no music.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I vaguely remember A Separation as having no music at all, but I might be wrong.

bows1
May 16, 2004

Chill, whale, chill
It's basically nothing. It's striking

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

bows1 posted:

Is there a film that has less music or score than No Country For Old Men?

Many early talkies (inc. Dracula and Frankenstein) would have music in the opening and maybe end titles and none in between.

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
Jauja has no soundtrack. Here's a list of 62 films without a soundtrack, assuming the list is right (not my list).

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

I guess pretty much every found footage movie has no music.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

Spatulater bro! posted:

I guess pretty much every found footage movie has no music.

Not true in the slightest, I would say at least a third of them have an annoying non-diegetic soundtrack.

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Not true in the slightest, I would say at least a third of them have an annoying non-diegetic soundtrack.

Hmm. Well they shouldn't have music.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Spatulater bro! posted:

Hmm. Well they shouldn't have music.

this is true

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
When they found the footage it had a bunch of non-diagetic music on it, duh.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



TychoCelchuuu posted:

When they found the footage it had a bunch of non-diagetic music on it, duh.

its the best prank. if you find a film on the ground, youre pretty much obligated to replace the audio. zen-style.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Spatulater bro! posted:

Hmm. Well they shouldn't have music.

If we are to believe that someone found this footage and is distributing it for us to see in a movie theatre why can't they have added music to make for better presentation? Documentaries have music.

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Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Lobok posted:

If we are to believe that someone found this footage and is distributing it for us to see in a movie theatre why can't they have added music to make for better presentation? Documentaries have music.

Found footage shouldn't be played in theaters, and should only be distributed by leaving camcorders around for people to find.

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