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Transient People posted:No, that change destroys her. If it goes through MF is donezo Yeah it's really dumb. If they wanted to nerf her lane bullying power with Q bounces, they should have nerfed second hit base damage a bit and kept the on-kill modifier -- maybe even increased it so on-kill bounces did the same damage as before and non-kill bounces did less than before. They're taking what was previously a champion-specific skill (prepping caster waves and lane positioning to use it accordingly) and just outright removing it from the game, which is super dumb. MF in laning is a lot simpler now, which isn't a lot of fun.
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they found the only nerf they could think of that wouldnt hit support MF at all but would devastate adc mf. riot doesnt like it when champs are played outside of their intended roles, after all
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Feb 24, 2017 09:30
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Tired Moritz posted:Anyone playing Cho'Gath now? I keep trying to eat people but there's this weird delay that keeps getting me killed. He gets really big at 7 stacks tho (two was dragons). I played against him as Swain top and poo poo on him. He still loses every matchup and has not enough tools to get into fights.
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Feb 24, 2017 11:08
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cho is not really a top laner. tank cho gets horribly bullied by strong duelists. hes much better in mid lane vs assasins. he has huge potential for safe play or trying to go for the outplay if you go ap and go mid vs assasins. using a clunky slow champ like cho to oneshot a loving leblanc is the greatest feeling in the world. Tank cho puts very little pressure on the enemy laner. if you are not going ap then you should pick another champion or play him as support. Ap cho has so much sustain and pushing power that he can just keep a lane pushed while he sustains if he decides he cant deal with the enemy laner because of a poor matchup. So you can just mindlessly rice while you wait for the enemy to do dumb poo poo so you can kill an enemy that is supposed to have an advantage against you.
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Feb 24, 2017 13:17
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I've been a support in b5 for years. I finally got out by abusing the poo poo out of Malzahar and Zyra and muting my ADC's the second they bitch about KS. I also cover the map in wards and ping like a mofo whenever i see an enemy pass by a ward, even if I'm sure the whole team saw them (they never do). Gonna see if I can make silver before nerfs come down.
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Feb 24, 2017 13:29
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This is a wholesome post from a salt of the earth player.
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Feb 24, 2017 13:56
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I miss being good at this game.
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Feb 24, 2017 16:27
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LegalPad posted:
Oh that's happened to me a lot in the past. I finally posted a forum post asking for help, it started when they started holding on to your keybindings server side, you can clear out a couple files that remove your keybindings from Riot's end and re-bind them which should fix the problem overall. I know it was some dude in your game and not you, but hopefully now you guys know what to tell a friend if this happens because it's pretty loving terrible and the only alternative is alt f4ing over and over and reloading the game until your hotkeys work.
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Feb 24, 2017 16:58
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Elentor posted:I miss being good at this game. same kind of. i quit for like 6 months, came back and i'm just insanely useless in every way. i guess i have to keep playing because i don't want the black mark of being silver on my account
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Elentor posted:I miss being good at this game. Yeah, same. Don't have it in me to grind out games anymore in ranked but still enjoy the game.
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Elentor posted:I miss being good at this game.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:09
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I was never good at this game.
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Feb 24, 2017 17:13
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lmao. awesome. nerf maokai but not camille. kat is really gonna get hurt by that 2mr...
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Feb 24, 2017 17:22
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pro tip: do not play this game while sober, enjoy it significantly more
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Feb 24, 2017 17:23
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el dingo posted:I was never good at this game. I am literally wood V
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Feb 24, 2017 19:37
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el dingo posted:I was never good at this game. 
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Feb 24, 2017 19:42
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I'm making GBS threads on people with Illaoi, I don't know why because she's so easy to kite and CC and poo poo, but it just seems like to win games you literally need to draw their jungler top constantly to keep your other lanes from getting ganks and then 1v2, which is what she's best at. Otherwise it seems like my jungler is jacking his cock off looking for +10g while theirs is impregnating our mid/bot/jungle with his chestbursters
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Feb 24, 2017 19:44
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Just had 3 lovely games, after which I reasonably quit for the day. Normally playing in the morning/very early afternoon on weekdays is good for me, but this was the statistical exception, it seems. At least the third game was genuinely one of the chillest teams I've had in forever even if we did get a mudhole stomped in our asses due to their inability to jungle or teamfight effectively.
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Feb 24, 2017 19:51
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isnt URF supposed to be out today?
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d0grent posted:isnt URF supposed to be out today?
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Feb 24, 2017 20:48
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give it to me Riot, it's the only alternate game mode I enjoy https://twitter.com/moobeat/status/832388119248912384 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMXjoqiTAOI
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ARURF is live in NA
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Feb 24, 2017 21:50
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welp camille is just as much a terror as you'd think.
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d0grent posted:welp camille is just as much a terror as you'd think. no way
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can you believe it
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Warlord's Bloodlust [reworked] NEW: "Moving or attacking makes an attack Energized. Energized attacks grant Lifesteal and Movement Speed." OLD: " Gain increasingly more Life Steal based on your missing health against champions (up to 15%). Against minions gain 50% benefit (25% for ranged champions)." Too many marksman were taking warlord's so we made it better (and more attractive to bruisers/fighters as well) 
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oh yeah we need more of those abilities where walking around charged it up. It's totally different and unique than just having a static cooldown
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Firebert posted:Warlord's Bloodlust It's worse, not better. Warlord's is broken good because it gives you a free vamp scepter in lane. Even if the lifesteal was like 40% on the energized shot it'd still be worse than that.
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Transient People posted:It's worse, not better. Warlord's is broken good because it gives you a free vamp scepter in lane. Even if the lifesteal was like 40% on the energized shot it'd still be worse than that. I interpreted it as being always active, there's no mention of stacks or internal cooldowns so I assumed it's not a stattik shiv proc.
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The Mash posted:Yeah it's really dumb. If they wanted to nerf her lane bullying power with Q bounces, they should have nerfed second hit base damage a bit and kept the on-kill modifier -- maybe even increased it so on-kill bounces did the same damage as before and non-kill bounces did less than before. Totally agree with you on this. They need to stop removing mechanics from champion's kits especially already simple ones like MF. And to be honest in one of the pbe posts a rioter said its not fun to get 2nd proc q'd by MF in a teamfight late game when she has a million ad but when the gently caress does that ever happen. I never see MF even auto in teamfights. She ults then e's and by then everyone is already low so q's damage is not what's making her strong in the first place. I definitely don't agree with the talon, quinn and mf nerfs on PBE. I feel like the riot special is incoming. They will nerf those champions who are obviously broken because of lethality and not their kit so the nerfs are useless. Then they will nerf lethality again therefore basically gimping those champions.
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Just today they re-added the mf crit on minion kill but made the second hit have the same base damage as the first. Also the second shot now has a chance to crit even without the first killing a unit which would be a buff to a crit build if it scales with crit chance.
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They're also holding back the Quinn and Talon nerfs.
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Firebert posted:I interpreted it as being always active, there's no mention of stacks or internal cooldowns so I assumed it's not a stattik shiv proc. 'Energized' suggests a shiv proc yeah. Which would make Warlords significantly less good...which is a nice thing because then whenever Fervor gets a remake maybe one won't obsolete the other.
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I'd say it depends on how fast it generates and what the lifesteal is. If its the same as shiv then it doesnt need to be super high to be comparable in average effectiveness to the old Warlords.
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Transient People posted:It's worse, not better. Warlord's is broken good because it gives you a free vamp scepter in lane. Even if the lifesteal was like 40% on the energized shot it'd still be worse than that. Not really? With the new nerf its like, at MOST, 3.75% life steal vs minions, and you don't even get that until you're at 20% hp. Since they nerfed it, I don't see why I wouldn't take fervor of battle and just out trade the guy who's laning only mastery basically gives him another dorans, sans all the ad and hp.
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your friend a dog posted:Not really? With the new nerf its like, at MOST, 3.75% life steal vs minions, and you don't even get that until you're at 20% hp. Since they nerfed it, I don't see why I wouldn't take fervor of battle and just out trade the guy who's laning only mastery basically gives him another dorans, sans all the ad and hp. Because he has a vamp scepter when trading and then an extra dorans when hitting minions. And an extra dorans means a SHITLOAD of sustain. Considering that you'll hit creeps six times per wave, minimum, and it's pretty trivial to hit 100 AD in laning. That's 30 extra HP per wave, not counting trades. Per two waves, you'll be able to soak one extra autoattack, after armor (again, in a worst case scenario where you never trade successfully nor auto creeps more than once). There's...what, seventeen or eighteen waves in the laning phase, which will go for about ten mins? That's 540 HP of lifesteal, in the worst case. Is there a matchup you wouldn't win with 540 extra HP?
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John Murdoch posted:They're also holding back the Quinn and Talon nerfs. All offensive masteries and all lethality items just got hit with nerfs, plus there's a tank rework coming. Think about the future.
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Transient People posted:Because he has a vamp scepter when trading and then an extra dorans when hitting minions. And an extra dorans means a SHITLOAD of sustain. Considering that you'll hit creeps six times per wave, minimum, and it's pretty trivial to hit 100 AD in laning. That's 30 extra HP per wave, not counting trades. Per two waves, you'll be able to soak one extra autoattack, after armor (again, in a worst case scenario where you never trade successfully nor auto creeps more than once). There's...what, seventeen or eighteen waves in the laning phase, which will go for about ten mins? That's 540 HP of lifesteal, in the worst case. Is there a matchup you wouldn't win with 540 extra HP? sustain doesn't really mean much when you're up against an aggressive all-in lane. Or if you ARE the aggressive all-in lane, fervor is going to end up being much better in those scenarios.
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d0grent posted:sustain doesn't really mean much when you're up against an aggressive all-in lane. Or if you ARE the aggressive all-in lane, fervor is going to end up being much better in those scenarios. Against an aggressive all-in lane Warlord's old sustain multiplies by four because you're hitting champions, so basically condense all that HP into big bursts of healing. That's part of what made it so strong - the sustain was good enough that it worked as burst healing in all-ins.
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Also, speaking of which, lol https://twitter.com/PhRoXzOn/status/835284916510277633 I threw that 40% figure out like whatever but it seems like I was mostly on the money!
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