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check out this hot take if you're still confused http://www.azquotes.com/quote/652701
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I'm going to go with FDR on this one and say capitalism is better than fascism.
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Well it was fair for him to say that seeing as he was one of the few who managed to actually get some concessions from our corporate overlords
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I hope Buttigieg wins because I am just tired of the seemingly endless rehashing of the primary. More seriously, I fear that a few groups have become so entrenched that a Perez/Ellison win will trigger mass outrage and further exacerbate divisions within the party. A Perez victory, especially, seems like it would cause chaos. Hopefully, that is a baseless fear. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Feb 25, 2017 04:12
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm going to go with FDR on this one and say capitalism is better than fascism. Yep, your brain's been fried. Come back in a few weeks after you get some rest, champ!
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Feb 25, 2017 04:17
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Uncle Wemus posted:Really tho i just don't want Perez so butt would be fine. Why?
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perez is so obviously incompetent i wouldnt be surprised if he was a putinist stooge tasked on further eroding the DNC from the inside
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Paracaidas posted:Can we Pretty sure posts as level-headed and rational as this aren't allowed in the thread. Last point is especially important for people arguing over the dumbest poo poo possible, many of whom think Perez is some corporate puppet whore when this time last year he was a progressive darling. Cease to Hope posted:This is extremely unlikely because, as you said, there's no much difference between Ellison and Perez. Ellison and Perez are also friendly with one another. This isn't some blood feud where they want to beat the other person at all costs.
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it now or does Fans still need to hit Gaddafi Did Nothing Wrong for Internecine Bullshit bingo?
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Which is what really distinguishes this from Clinton/Sanders, where it was clear they didn't like each other
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Remember when everyone wanted Perez to be Hillary's VP and usher in a golden-era of progressive change and union-friendly advocacy? 5 months ago before he became a corporatist Manchurian candidate.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Remember when everyone wanted Perez to be Hillary's VP and usher in a golden-era of progressive change and union-friendly advocacy? 5 months ago before he became a corporatist Manchurian candidate. Mr Trotsky, sometimes it is difficult to discern what side you are on. I guess that explains Josef's decision.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Remember when everyone wanted Perez to be Hillary's VP and usher in a golden-era of progressive change and union-friendly advocacy? 5 months ago before he became a corporatist Manchurian candidate. the fact that he was shortlisted as Clinton's VP is a large part of why this is so contentious.
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I just don't get the case for Perez here. It seems like they have way more to lose by him winning and alienating the sizable and very vocal Sanders wing—and it doesn't seem to me to matter whether or not that is actually warranted. This seems like a no brainer, and yet it's looking like Ellison will lose. Would love to be surprised though. e: I mean, I *get* why he has the support he does. Just the myopic thinking here is just baffling.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Can we at least all agree that howard dean is a pretty cool/good dude? Everyone said he was a corporate neoliberal shill who is to blame for the watering down of the ACA when he put himself forward for the position.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I mean, I *get* why he has the support he does. Just the myopic thinking here is just baffling. Democrats in a nutshell
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I just don't get the case for Perez here. It seems like they have way more to lose by him winning and alienating the sizable and very vocal Sanders wing—and it doesn't seem to me to matter whether or not that is actually warranted. This seems like a no brainer, and yet it's looking like Ellison will lose. Would love to be surprised though. If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running?
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gohmak posted:If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running? Because the loyalists need someone who will listen to them when they yell at them to walk back statements.
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gohmak posted:If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running? Because he isn't Ellison? Even if they have similar views, there are things that don't really come off well in soundbytes, such as leadership qualities and knowing how to run and fix institutions.
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gohmak posted:If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running? he, just like hillary, is a soulless husk fueled by a naked and aimless ambition. he wants power - he has no fuckin clue what he'll do with it, but he wants it
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Calibanibal posted:he, just like hillary, is a soulless husk fueled by a naked and aimless ambition. he wants power - he has no fuckin clue what he'll do with it, but he wants it do you know what the DNC chair does
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Just the myopic thinking here is just baffling.
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gohmak posted:If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running? If Ellison is so much like Perez, why is he running? Because they are both great and ambitious, and neither is a betrayal of Team Progressive
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GreyjoyBastard posted:If Ellison is so much like Perez, why is he running? Perez wasn't in the race when Ellison announced his candidacy
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Chomskyan posted:Perez wasn't in the race when Ellison announced his candidacy Dean was.
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Fulchrum posted:Dean was. dean also dropped out before perez entered
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gohmak posted:If Perez is "so much like Ellison" why is he running? Because they're separate people and each thinks they can do the job better than the other, even if they personally like the other person and thinks the other wouldn't be a bad choice?
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Capfalcon posted:Because they're separate people and each thinks they can do the job better than the other, even if they personally like the other person and thinks the other wouldn't be a bad choice? The real question is, if Ellison and Perez are exactly the same, why the did the Obama Whitehouse push Perez to run as an alternative to Ellison and encourage so many Democrat Party insiders to rally behind him?
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Feb 25, 2017 09:05
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It's because Perez is loyal to the Clinton/Obama wing of the party
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Why does it have to be that? Why can't they just have faith in him to do a good job and they know the kind of work he does? Why does everything have to be some sort of grand conspiracy?
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blackguy32 posted:Why does it have to be that? Why can't they just have faith in him to do a good job and they know the kind of work he does? Bernie Would Have Won
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Ogmius815 posted:Bernie Would Have Won Ha, lets leave Bernie behind for a second. Sometimes it is great to have people that you know can work diligently behind the scenes and that can keep poo poo together. Those kind of people were invaluable when I worked in politics briefly.
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Chomskyan posted:The real question is, if Ellison and Perez are exactly the same, why the did the Obama Whitehouse push Perez to run as an alternative to Ellison and encourage so many Democrat Party insiders to rally behind him? And if the Chem trails aren't brainwashing all of us, why do the Jews keep releasing them? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Your critical thought is that Bernie, who lost to her in the primary, would have magically won in the general because Racist Whites in the rust belt who voted for a guy promising retribution against Those People would have suddenly gone "oh no, I am going to vote for the old maple grandpa socialist." I'm from South Bend. Rust Belt AF. On the boarder of Michigan and Indiana (both states that swung HARD Bernie in the primaries, surprising all the pollsters). This - racist conservative Trump voters that would have voted Bernie but /never/ Hillary - is /actually/ the case. I know, it's bizarre - but true.
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Uglycat posted:I'm from South Bend. Rust Belt AF. On the boarder of Michigan and Indiana (both states that swung HARD Bernie in the primaries, surprising all the pollsters). His whole point is that you can't really say what the outcome would have been because he was already defeated and never really ran against Trump. Basically, there isn't enough information to make an assertion.
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Fulchrum posted:And if the Chem trails aren't brainwashing all of us, why do the Jews keep releasing them? You're a moron
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Is that what the illuminati brainwashed you into saying?
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blackguy32 posted:Why does it have to be that? Why can't they just have faith in him to do a good job and they know the kind of work he does? Because all the available evidence worldwide shows a near-perfect pattern of Third Way types preferring to keep a stanglehold of power even after it's clear that they don't know what they're doing (and sometimes even actively sabotaging their own party if they lose power) rather than admitting they were wrong and allowing others to try something different. This makes the whole Perez thing stink to high heaven. It also doesn't help that the New Democrats have a track record of saying nice stuff during the campaign and then making minimal changes when in office.
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hopefully none of this matters, and perez loses today and fades into his well deserved irrelevancy just like his failure of a mistress
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Chomskyan posted:The real question is, if Ellison and Perez are exactly the same, why the did the Obama Whitehouse push Perez to run as an alternative to Ellison and encourage so many Democrat Party insiders to rally behind him? Because they're afraid having a muslim as the face of the party is too much for white america to handle? Wraith of J.O.I. posted:I just don't get the case for Perez here. It seems like they have way more to lose by him winning and alienating the sizable and very vocal Sanders wing—and it doesn't seem to me to matter whether or not that is actually warranted. This seems like a no brainer, and yet it's looking like Ellison will lose. Would love to be surprised though. "They" intended Perez to be the compromise candidate with the far left -- left wing enough to satisfy the progressive wing, but not Actually Muslim. What they didn't realize was that the left is in no mood to compromise *at all*, not even a hair. Personally I like all the major candidates. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Feb 25, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Because they're afraid having a muslim as the face of the party is too much for white america to handle? It handled it for 8 years.
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