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jabby posted:If it operates the same way as student loans the only effect it would have would be to prevent doctors that emigrate from ever coming back. Eh, I imagine six figure sums are worth chasing more than student debt. ronya posted:he can saddle posting positions with big £££ bill, which is then waived if a service term is fulfilled - this is the typical way of things internationally, e.g. This is a weak angle though, you wave the number in front of the average person and tell them it costs *this much* to be a doctor but in labourworld drs are just trained, you're going to see people go "well gently caress this is going to stop people being drs". Obviously it only stops working class people being doctors, but given that the concept of class itself is now out of the class consciousness, I can't see many people going "oh phew, all our doctors will be called Tristam now"
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croc suit posted:Why do they need to be better? than what exactly, what the gently caress are you talking about. If there's nothing inferior about non-white people, and you don't care about culture, why would you be at all concerned about ethnic demographic shift? Also it's real freaky how many people in healthcare there are in this thread.
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croc suit posted:I dont give a poo poo about "british culture" Then why are you bringing up the increase in Britain's non-white population? For the record, current projections show ethnic minorities going from 8% of the British population in 2001 to 20% in 2051. Even if those trends continue and there isn't a falloff along the line, it's extremely unlikely that Britain will be majority non-white within our lifetimes.
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I think the implication is that the young Muslim men are heartless and would leave the old whites to die because they don't have our morality So a load of bollocks
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Jeza posted:Well you're the one contesting that non-white immigration to the UK is threatening white people. And you don't think that culture is relevant, so in order for what you think to be coherent, you have to think that non-white people are inferior. Or you'd be happy that they were coming. I'd be happy because... they're going to clean up my poo poo when im old????
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Spangly A posted:Obviously it only stops working class people being doctors, but given that the concept of class itself is now out of the class consciousness, I can't see many people going "oh phew, all our doctors will be called Tristam now" All doctors are working class.
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croc suit posted:Im sure young muslim men love cleaning up old white peoples poo poo for 30 years Do you believe that care workers only look after people of their own religion
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The loving casual racism in lilly white areas of the UK is astonishing, I made the bad mistake of moving back to near where I grew up recently and there was a fatal accident on a moterway involving a lorry the other week and the first words out of one of my colleagues mouth on the situation (after learning the driver was dead) was 'oh, god, im not beeein funnee or or anythink but do you reckon hee spoke english?' This implies she thinks he was what, to stupid to drive, cant read english signposts, on the run carrying cargo of forrins? gently caress knows, she seems to be a nice woman otherwise, does my head in.
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Pissflaps posted:All doctors are working class. a practice is capital though so clearly this isn't true
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Pissflaps posted:All doctors are working class. Not if some of their income arises from things other than selling their labour for money, this isn't complicated
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croc suit posted:I'd be happy because... they're going to clean up my poo poo when im old???? What are you babbling about? Thesis: White British people are correct to worry about becoming a minority in their own country. Supplementary: Culture is irrelevant Supporting reasons to justify this view: [BLANK] Help me out here.
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Hang on wait, sorry. When you said this:croc suit posted:white people not wanting to become a minority in their own country is a bad thing Were you being literal? Was this just an off the cuff statement that dumb olds who recoil at the sight of muslims is, in fact, bad? I mean if so, yes, but, 
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Has Pissflaps said why his av is now the guy who was racist to Jamie Foxx yet?
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croc suit posted:I'd be happy because... they're going to clean up my poo poo when im old???? I'm not even sure that your argument is anymore
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Seaside Loafer posted:The loving casual racism in lilly white areas of the UK is astonishing, I made the bad mistake of moving back to near where I grew up recently and there was a fatal accident on a moterway involving a lorry the other week and the first words out of one of my colleagues mouth on the situation (after learning the driver was dead) was 'oh, god, im not beeein funnee or or anythink but do you reckon hee spoke english?' White people are bad by design, basically defective
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Gonzo McFee posted:Has Pissflaps said why his av is now the guy who was racist to Jamie Foxx yet? Because he's a Tory and thus loves racism
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what's funny is that Australia attempts to recover the costs of training by taxing incomes only once Aussie-trained graduates start earning soooo Aussie graduates then politely leave for England, where they will not be liable for any Australian income tax the problem of forcing one's own recipients of investment to actually cough up the investment returns domestically is a mutual one, hence: quote:[Australian] Education Minister Christopher Pyne said he had started discussions with his British equivalent about a new tax treaty which would allow each country to recoup outstanding student loans from their citizens living overseas.
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croc suit posted:White people are bad by design, basically defective Agreed. Namtab posted:Because he's a Tory and thus loves racism I mean yeah but I'm wondering if there was an inciting incident. I mean a recent one.
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TheRat posted:This is some really boring and obvious trolling and way too many of you are falling for it Shh, this is more fun than yet another Corbyn debate
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ronya posted:what's funny is that Australia attempts to recover the costs of training by taxing incomes only once Aussie-trained graduates start earning Seems like we're going to have less Aussie doctors soon
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TheRat posted:This is some really boring and obvious trolling and way too many of you are falling for it 
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Spangly A posted:This is a weak angle though, you wave the number in front of the average person and tell them it costs *this much* to be a doctor but in labourworld drs are just trained, you're going to see people go "well gently caress this is going to stop people being drs". equally obviously, the expectation is that the fee will not actually be paid via a buy-out unless you're a truly rich wanker who gets bored in second year of foundation placement
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Forced service owns and I'm glad you want new doctors to be indentured slaves to the nhs
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croc suit posted:I'd be happy because... they're going to clean up my poo poo when im old???? More generally keep you alive and allow you to retire at some point yeah.
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ronya posted:equally obviously, the expectation is that the fee will not actually be paid via a buy-out unless you're a truly rich wanker who gets bored in second year of foundation placement Take out your PPE hat and ask yourself what happens if a political figure yells that they're charging you six figures to become a doctor and the answer is "yes, but" or an obvious attempt to avoid saying "yes, but". I'm not going to pay my student loan either and that nearly wiped the lib dems off the map. E; actually that's unfair. I'd make full efforts to repay under a left wing government. This may be the same sentiment, though.
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ronya posted:equally obviously, the expectation is that the fee will not actually be paid via a buy-out unless you're a truly rich wanker who gets bored in second year of foundation placement A far bigger problem with this plan is that it removes what little incentive there currently is for the NHS to pay and treat doctors well. If everyone coming through is going to be forced to work for you then why not pay them two pounds an hour for the first five years of their career like it's an apprenticeship?
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Namtab posted:Forced service owns and I'm glad you want new doctors to be indentured slaves to the nhs What happens to foreign-born UK-educated doctors who get considered unfit to practise? Seeing as they can't physically stay in the UK for visa reasons. Or is it just, lol they shouldn't have had something like that happen to them, bad apples it's their fault. Like it happens because of mental illness and stuff.
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Based on the posts by the regulars in this thread its more likely ill be paying for your retirements and healthcare lol
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Arguing with the racist is a step up from arguing with flaps.
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croc suit posted:Based on the posts by the regulars in this thread its more likely ill be paying for your retirements and healthcare lol Lol it must be depressing to live in a world where "government does its job" seems like madness are you dead yet
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croc suit posted:Based on the posts by the regulars in this thread its more likely ill be paying for your retirements and healthcare lol Because you're actually as old as the quality of your posting suggests?
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croc suit posted:Based on the posts by the regulars in this thread its more likely ill be paying for your retirements and healthcare lol Why aren't you funny?
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Spangly A posted:Lol it must be depressing to live in a world where "government does its job" seems like madness you first
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I don't think under thirteens are allowed on this forum, kid.
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Private Speech posted:What happens to foreign-born UK-educated doctors who get considered unfit to practise? Seeing as they can't physically stay in the UK for visa reasons. I don't know. I hope its something fair, but I don't know. I also don't have the answer to the same question about nurses
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this is fine.jpg except the flames are niggers (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Spangly A posted:Take out your PPE hat and ask yourself what happens if a political figure yells that they're charging you six figures to become a doctor and the answer is "yes, but" or an obvious attempt to avoid saying "yes, but". I recall a lot of pundits confidently prognosticating sticker shock in the 1990s too, and yet tuition fees and student loans are still here, and it is still conventional wisdom that they increase rather than decrease cohort intakes Britain at large is not especially stunned by the notion of loans and debt, this is not a developing or petrostate country where vast majority of the population don't expect to ever sign a loan they can't immediately repay
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croc suit posted:Despite inventing modern medicine white people are apparently incapable of being trained to perform it 
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