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I remember there being people several months ago hoping that Perez would be picked as Hillary's vp. https://twitter.com/EricKleefeld/status/835574637710954498 My, how the times change. Quorum posted:He's committed to working closely with Ellison, and has quite a lot of experience reforming broken institutions, having essentially rebuilt key sections of the Department of Labor from pointless appendages into powerful forces for aiding American workers. What matters now is what they actually do now they're both in. I can't emphasize how much I agree with this post enough. The last thing decent American politics needs is for people to feel apathetic against trump because of Perez. If the Democratic voters and representatives want change, they should work to realize it, not take their toys and go home.
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Quorum posted:Counterpoint: you cannot simultaneously hold the view that not voting for democrats so that they lose to republicans makes them chase your vote and become more liberal, and also the view that Perez is a corporate stooge who won't do any progressive reforms why?
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Epic High Five posted:The Bernie wing obsesses about the DNC and their goings on like nobody ever has before. I'm extremely hesitant to brush this off as minor news I'm saying that if the Bernie wing stays home in 2018, it won't be over some symbolic loss over the DNC but instead the failure of the left to organize and the Party failing to capitalize on that organization.
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Epic High Five posted:The Bernie wing obsesses about the DNC and their goings on like nobody ever has before. I'm extremely hesitant to brush this off as minor news Yeah, Perez himself absolutely 100% needs to be seen reaching out to Team Bernie. More than he already has even.
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Feb 25, 2017 22:04
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Quorum posted:He's committed to working closely with Ellison, and has quite a lot of experience reforming broken institutions, having essentially rebuilt key sections of the Department of Labor from pointless appendages into powerful forces for aiding American workers. What matters now is what they actually do now they're both in. He has no experience that makes him qualified to run the DNC. Period. GreyjoyBastard posted:Yeah, Perez himself absolutely 100% needs to be seen reaching out to Team Bernie. More than he already has even. The party has a better chance of dying at this point.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm saying that if the Bernie wing stays home in 2018, it won't be over some symbolic loss over the DNC but instead the failure of the left to organize and the Party failing to capitalize on that organization. the DNC loss is part of that. sure, i'll vote for dems if they turn things around, but nothing they've done since the election hints that they're even close to trying to capitalize on leftist support (other than, you know, demanding our votes and loyalty)
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The deputy chair position is a new position as far as I can tell. Maybe wait a week or so before you call it out as symboli
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Feb 25, 2017 22:04
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Gonna be pretty funny when the Dems run whatever hillary clone they can in 2020 and lose to DJT again. Learning from mistakes is for losers, let's double down on this poo poo!
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I hope to see something like an initiative to have a democrat candidate for every state level election in every state of country. If they want to take corporate money they need to at least use it in a way that is meaningful. It's like Wayne Gretzky says, you miss all the shots you don't take.
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Lord Lambeth posted:The deputy chair position is a new position as far as I can tell. Maybe wait a week or so before you call it out as symboli how many more made up positions are we gonna get as concessions?
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Feb 25, 2017 22:05
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lol WikiLeaks already going hard against Perez
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Do Democrats really think merely being the "anti-Trump" vote is enough to get more seats in the Senate, House, and the WH in 2020? That's the vibe I'm getting.
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Lord Lambeth posted:The deputy chair position is a new position as far as I can tell. Maybe wait a week or so before you call it out as symbolic? Why? 
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Condiv posted:the DNC loss is part of that. sure, i'll vote for dems if they turn things around, but nothing they've done since the election hints that they're even close to trying to capitalize on leftist support (other than, you know, demanding our votes and loyalty) I asked this before but do you genuinely believe that not voting for democrats causes them to become more leftist, and if so, how do you square that with also believing that democrats losing caused the election as chair of a man whom you characterize as sixteen gallons of corporate slime poured into a man-shaped mold?
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Cool, I'm glad we're right back to going "Well, my choice didn't get in, so gently caress everyone and everything, I am staying home" comments.
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Epic High Five posted:lol WikiLeaks already going hard against Perez You just know they had something lined up for all 2.5 plausible options. Heck, maybe now that Ellison is a neoliberal hack at Perez's side they'll run their Ellison hit pieces anyway!
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Why is Perez such a terrible pick and why was Ellison the Democrat's Jesus? This is a honest question based on the reaction in this thread so far.
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ImpAtom posted:Cool, I'm glad we're right back to going "Well, my choice didn't get in, so gently caress everyone and everything, I am staying home" comments. You see, people who supported Obama will support Hillary unequivocally and make sure she gets elected no matter what
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Confounding Factor posted:Do Democrats really think merely being the "anti-Trump" vote is enough to get more seats in the Senate, House, and the WH in 2020? That's the vibe I'm getting. Look at these Trump approval ratings! We're a lock!
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ImpAtom posted:Cool, I'm glad we're right back to going "Well, my choice didn't get in, so gently caress everyone and everything, I am staying home" comments. My greatest fantasy right now is to discover an obscure law that states that if his most vocal supporters are murdered, Bernie Sanders immediately becomes president.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Why is Perez such a terrible pick and why was Ellison the Democrat's Jesus? Sanders's endorsement.
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ImpAtom posted:Cool, I'm glad we're right back to going "Well, my choice didn't get in, so gently caress everyone and everything, I am staying home" comments. Fortunately, last election polls showed (and the people making those comments in this thread assure us) that Bernie-or-Busters turned out at high levels to hold their nose and vote for Clinton, despite having previously made comments such as "because Bernie had the primary rigged against him, the Democrats are irredeemably corrupt and I will not vote for them until they reform." Perhaps they're really serious this time, though? 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You just know they had something lined up for all 2.5 plausible options. I doubt it, WikiLeaks is run at all levels now by the KSB and they're savvy. They'll boost Ellison if anything.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Why is Perez such a terrible pick and why was Ellison the Democrat's Jesus? Bernie endorsed Ellison. That's it.
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Quorum posted:I asked this before but do you genuinely believe that not voting for democrats causes them to become more leftist, and if so, how do you square that with also believing that democrats losing caused the election as chair of a man whom you characterize as sixteen gallons of corporate slime poured into a man-shaped mold? they're convinced they didn't lose. also yes, if we want the party to move leftwards we have to stop rewarding lovely centrists with our votes.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Why is Perez such a terrible pick and why was Ellison the Democrat's Jesus? It's a Hillary-Bernie proxy fight for morons.
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Because maybe tom perez and keith ellison will work together in order to make a more unified democratic party? I don't think this is any less plausible hypothetical then "trump's gonna win in 2020 because the democrats chose perez!"
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Bernie endorsed Ellison. Personally it was the schumer endorsement that swayed me
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Why is Perez such a terrible pick and why was Ellison the Democrat's Jesus? It is literally, no joke, "we wanted our guy to win and not the other guy who is also fine." It's the saddest thing to cause people to take their ball and go home that pretty much shows how absurd some people are
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:You see, people who supported Obama will support Hillary unequivocally and make sure she gets elected no matter what That has nothing to do with your tepid whining.
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ImpAtom posted:Cool, I'm glad we're right back to going "Well, my choice didn't get in, so gently caress everyone and everything, I am staying home" comments. leftists choices never get in. why shouldn't we gently caress off?
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Condiv posted:they're convinced they didn't lose. also yes, if we want the party to move leftwards we have to stop rewarding lovely centrists with our votes. Ah, so your argument is that the Democrats have to lose harder. In which elections do you feel that this needs to happen?
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Epic High Five posted:lol WikiLeaks already going hard against Perez Just going through those emails: "Still, I know a bunch of folks who are excited about him and see him as a potential pick that could sort of soothe the Warren wing types." - someone about Perez "I also look forward to my appearance on Telemundo tomorrow where I can trumpet her strong support among Latinos and put a fork once and for all in the false narrative about Bernie and Latinos. Congrats" - Perez "In my HRC advocacy, I now say how these people dont have the time to wait for Senator Sanders to complete his quest for the perfect health care system, or the perfect immigration reform bill; it gets alot of good nods, especially when I talk about Kennedy McCain immigration and how Bernie opposed this, and immigrants are still suffering the consequences of inaction" - Perez "Emmy and the team have a good plan to attract all minority voters. When we do well there, then the narrative changes from Bernie kicks rear end among young voters to Bernie does well only among young white liberals-- that is a different story and a perfect lead in to South Carolina, where once again, we can work to attract young voters of color" - Perez
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Quorum posted:Ah, so your argument is that the Democrats have to lose harder. In which elections do you feel that this needs to happen? they're gonna lose harder in 2018, so then I guess. i mean, after 2018 we have republicans being able to call a constitutional convention on their own and then dems are extinct anyway.
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Condiv posted:they're convinced they didn't lose. also yes, if we want the party to move leftwards we have to stop rewarding lovely centrists with our votes. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Not 'rewarding' the party with your vote when the opposition is unified and willing to compromise to get their guy in just means you lose and will continue to lose and rather than minimal progress you get the current status quo. Condiv posted:leftists choices never get in. why shouldn't we gently caress off? ... have you looked at the news for the past two months?
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No im sure this invertebrate cocksucker has alot of fresh ideas for the party
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ImpAtom posted:That has nothing to do with your tepid whining. The HRC Clinton disaster is here to stay in the Democratic Party. You guys won’t win poo poo in 2018 and 2020. Thanks for enabling a fascist.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Not 'rewarding' the party with your vote when the opposition is unified and willing to compromise to get their guy in just means you lose and will continue to lose and rather than minimal progress you get the current status quo. well that's what we're getting anyway so i guess it doesn't matter if I vote or not then huh? too bad the dems are wholly unwilling to compromise unlike the republicans
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Chelb posted:If the Democratic voters and representatives want change, they should work to realize it, not take their toys and go home. You're such a loving rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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