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my conscience is pretty clear. i'm going to abandon the democrats to the howling snake pit they've created, but i'll probably join up to participate in my state's lovely closed primary to vote for the most left candidate on the ballot, then leave right after. my state goes blue anyway, so i couldn't give less of a poo poo about voting for them for president in the general, but i'll definitely vote on issues i do care about in the downballot.
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Rodatose posted:Hillary clinton did worse with hispanics Only in English language only polls, which tend to be extremely flawed. In bilingual polls, iirc I think she had two to four points on Obama.
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Lightning Knight posted:Oh go gently caress yourself with "I am the true socialist and you're a dirty neoliberal," you don't know a goddamn thing about anybody else in the thread and yet you'd happily posture as the only true Scotsman. Calling your political opponents racist doesn’t work. Trump certainly didn’t give a poo poo, neither did his supporters. Everyone knew what the real problem was: Neo-liberalism is a disease that brought this country to where it is now, and it precisely what enabled Trump to cruise his way into position suited for destroying our institutions. And it’s hilarious that you still think Hillary “Superpredator” Clinton owned all the issues on minorities. Race is too important of an issue to be politically correct about and you are just lashing out at anyone and everyone who says Clinton was a complete loving disaster (she was). Next time don’t be a coward and toxx properly when empty suit Democrat runs in 2020 so you can get banned. stone cold posted:Only in English language only polls, which tend to be extremely flawed. In bilingual polls, iirc I think she had two to four points on Obama. Maybe Democrats can do prayer circles and hope they will still be there in 2020 and not be deported.
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Probably Magic posted:I've really enjoyed talking with you, LightningKnight, I feel like we've had a sensible conversation tonight. I'm glad you think so.  quote:Calling your political opponents racist doesn’t work. Trump certainly didn’t give a poo poo, neither did his supporters. Everyone knew what the real problem was: Neo-liberalism is a disease that brought this country to where it is now, and it precisely what enabled Trump to cruise his way into position suited for destroying our institutions. We also don't need any Trump voters, like at all, to win, so I'm not sure how that's relevant. You call them racist because they're racist, dipshit. I love your snide "the real problem is neoliberalism, racism doesn't matter" shift there. I don't think Hillary owned anything about minority issues, I just choose to recognize that minority voters overwhelmingly chose her and want to work to make sure that next time around the progressive candidate is someone they can believe in too. I did toxx. I just rebought my account. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Race is too important of an issue to be politically correct about What the gently caress does this even mean? Like, what the gently caress did you even think you were saying here? Because whatever it was, you didn't say it. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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stone cold posted:Packed with racism? Like.... Playing dumb isn't gonna work, it's there for anyone who wants to look. Probably Magic posted:...am I talking to a spambot? I think it might be a bot designed to emulate the most obnoxious goon possible. He's even doing the "sorry you're" and extremely not mad constant sarcasm.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Liberals deserve to get smitten after putting such a miserable, incompetent pile of poo poo as their front runner and left the party at their lowest point in a century. It’s the party’s job to find someone worth a drat to run. lmao clinton won both the national vote and the primary vote my dude, unless the GOP suppresses the gently caress out of the vote (Which is a real possibility) and the dems try to run clinton 2020 there's a good chance trump will be a one term pres. especially if people keep protesting and organizing and running at the lower levels like you can't get mad at the party for picking a bad candidate when the party didn't elect her. bernie wasn't even a loving member of the party and he ran, theres nothing stopping other people from trying to get the nomination. maybe if there were some kind of low level leftward shift and leftist base to recruit and pull from the upper levels of the party would also shift left
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:What the gently caress does this even mean? It means that, if I were an abolitionist in the early 1800s, I wouldn’t give a poo poo about how offended slave owners are.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Playing dumb isn't gonna work, it's there for anyone who wants to look. Did u kno, calling white people racist pigs is the worst racism there is? Also, as mentioned itt I'm a woman, so you can get hosed pig. Like I genuinely hope your genitals rot and fall off.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm glad you think so.  i wasn't particularly enamored of you in previous threads cause you stuck up for globalization in it's current form way too much imo, but you've been a lot more reasonable than most of the posters trying to say that perez is fine
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Hillary “Superpredator” Clinton would you say that, perhaps, black people don't know whats good for themselves? perhaps that we know better?
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:It means that, if I were an abolitionist in the early 1800s, I wouldn’t give a poo poo about how offended slave owners are. :stagic:
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm glad you think so. yeah, you can be pretty fun to talk to, lightning knight. its appreciated, especially since these threads can get so toxic
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stone cold posted:Did u kno, calling white people racist pigs is the worst racism there is? It's not, but it also doesn't usually get them to vote for your candidate.
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stone cold posted:Did u kno, calling white people racist pigs is the worst racism there is? I didn't say a word about gender?
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:It means that, if I were an abolitionist in the early 1800s, I wouldn’t give a poo poo about how offended slave owners are. And who the gently caress are the slave owners in this analogy?
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BiohazrD posted:would you say that, perhaps, black people don't know whats good for themselves? perhaps that we know better? you're quoting a guy who advocated national socialism (leon trotsky) just thought you'd like to know
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Majorian posted:It's not, but it also doesn't usually get them to vote for your candidate. It's almost like rich white people who own vineyards in Napa don't care about minorities, eh, Majorian? 🤔
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:It means that, if I were an abolitionist in the early 1800s, I wouldn’t give a poo poo about how offended slave owners are. Hahaha like you would've been an abolitionist in the early 1800s, every white dude in this thread would've been at best pro-"send them back to Africa" and you loving know it. Edit: this includes me Condiv posted:
I've never been in favor of globalization in its present form. I just don't think that globalization is in and of itself the problem. I think that capitalism is the problem. I simply take a strong internationalist approach to left-wing issues because I don't believe you can build socialism in one country.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I didn't say a word about gender? You called me a man.
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stone cold posted:It's almost like rich white people who own vineyards in Napa don't care about minorities, eh, Majorian? 🤔 I wouldn't know; I've never owned a vineyard, and I'm not rich. (I work for a charity)
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Majorian posted:I don't think it's a given that they fully knew her record as a political figure. I love how paternalistic the 'true leftists' get concerning issues of race and gender and then wonder why their surefire 100% correct and unassailable messaging and political strategies don't seem to ever work out all that well.
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BiohazrD posted:would you say that, perhaps, black people don't know whats good for themselves? perhaps that we know better? The entire primary was kabuki horseshit that ended up holding no meaning in the national election (aka, the only thing that really matters). The low voter turnout compared to the GOP was already a serious warning sign. BiohazrD posted:lmao clinton won both the national vote and the primary vote my dude, unless the GOP suppresses the gently caress out of the vote (Which is a real possibility) and the dems try to run clinton 2020 there's a good chance trump will be a one term pres. especially if people keep protesting and organizing and running at the lower levels I’ve got the perfect website for you delusional assholes http://www.hillarybeattrump.org
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Condiv posted:you're quoting a guy who advocated national socialism (leon trotsky) so if i remove the quote tag and just paste the image would that make you happy?
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Lightning Knight posted:I've never been in favor of globalization in its present form. I just don't think that globalization is in and of itself the problem. I think that capitalism is the problem. I simply take a strong internationalist approach to left-wing issues because I don't believe you can build socialism in one country. imo we don't need "free trade" in the free market sense to have multi-country socialist movements, just free exchange of ideas. but that's an argument for another thread.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:The entire primary was kabuki horseshit that ended up holding no meaning in the national election (aka, the only thing that really matters). The low voter turnout compared to the GOP was already a serious warning sign. sorry your website is dead and broken, just like your soul
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RaySmuckles posted:yeah, you can be pretty fun to talk to, lightning knight. its appreciated, especially since these threads can get so toxic I'm glad you guys think so. I know that in the aftermath of the election I was an angry pissbaby who made bad arguments, but such is as it goes. Now I only mostly make angry pissbaby arguments. Also I would caution against defeatism. The Democratic Party being conservative and hostile to leftism isn't a new thing and there's no reason to declare permanent defeat because Ellison, an elected Democratic congressman who would've been at least partially beholden to party interests, didn't win. There are more battles to fight and more party positions to win, this is just the tip of the spear. The real story here isn't that Ellison lost, it's that it was a fight in the first place.
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stone cold posted:Did u kno, calling white people racist pigs is the worst racism there is? Maybe you should take a break. Especially since you're breaking out creepy poster spreadsheets at this point.
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stone cold posted:You called me a man. 
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BiohazrD posted:so if i remove the quote tag and just paste the image would that make you happy? happier. national socialists should be mocked if they're not being ignored or punched
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Majorian posted:I wouldn't know; I've never owned a vineyard, and I'm not rich. (I work for a charity) Oh, I'm sorry, it was your daddy who owned the Napa vineyard, right? my b
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archangelwar posted:I love how paternalistic the 'true leftists' get concerning issues of race and gender Let me stop you there and direct you to a couple posts ago, when I said that most voters are low-information, regardless of race, gender, etc.
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stone cold posted:Oh, I'm sorry, it was your daddy who owned the Napa vineyard, right? my b All those probies didn't tamp down your urge for creepy helldumping, huh?
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stone cold posted:Oh, I'm sorry, it was your daddy who owned the Napa vineyard, right? my b My dad's a doctor. I worked in a tasting room for minimum wage for a couple summers. Is that what you were thinking about? You're really bad at Helldumping btw. 
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Majorian posted:Let me stop you there and direct you to a couple posts ago, when I said that most voters are low-information, regardless of race, gender, etc. Yet minority voters broke HARD for Hillary clinton, and you think that's because...
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Majorian posted:My dad's a doctor. I worked in a tasting room for minimum wage for a couple summers. Is that what you were thinking about? Oh, no, I genuinely have you mixed up with another poster. Haha, that's genuinely my bad, you're ok.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:All those probies didn't tamp down your urge for creepy helldumping, huh? Capitalist swine: should definitely have a say in the direction of the DNC? e: correcting the record, the time I was probed for helldumping was for quoting posts in the same goddamn thread as the post, but sure, helldumping?
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Nevvy Z posted:Yet minority voters broke HARD for Hillary clinton, and you think that's because... Greater name recognition, and the narrative that the Clintons were better on race than they actually were.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think D&D is representative of the general political landscape, most people don't know that there's even a DNC chair election happening and disaffected bernouts both aren't statistically significant nor represent the major groups we need to win back to account for lost states in 2016. 2018 is likely to be a nightmare regardless because it's just a poo poo election map for the Democratic Party. Well, that, and the inevitable Russian propaganda campaign repeating itself. I mean, why fix what ain't broken, right? 
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