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How are people who agonize over whether or not to vote for a Democrat "the Democratic base?"
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Also it's weird how we didn't hear questioning about "but were the union endorsements based on membership voting or was it just leadership" like we did during the primary
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Feb 26, 2017 18:11
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Condiv posted:Here you go https://twitter.com/jstein_vox/status/835878035513556992 Did you read the article? The claims that this influenced people seem wildly unsubstantiated, along the same lines that the DNC used anti-semitism to get rid of Bernie.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:12
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How are people who agonize over whether or not to vote for a Democrat "the Democratic base?" got em
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Feb 26, 2017 18:12
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Lightning Lord posted:Everyone should be banding together to call these people idiots. I don't care if you wanted Greene to be chair. Acting like this is what our enemies want. Hrm... Still not feeling any inclination to vote for Democrats. Maybe if you posted this again in all caps and called me a racist?
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Feb 26, 2017 18:14
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i am the bird posted:Did you read the article? The claims that this influenced people seem wildly unsubstantiated, along the same lines that the DNC used anti-semitism to get rid of Bernie. I think it's an overblown influence but it was there. Saban is a pretty influential guy and all he cares about is Israel. readingatwork posted:Hrm... Still not feeling any inclination to support or vote for Democrats. Maybe if you posted this again in all caps and called me a racist? How about if you read my later post?
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Feb 26, 2017 18:14
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How are people who agonize over whether or not to vote for a Democrat "the Democratic base?" Well, we didn't agonize until the dems started adopting supply-side economics and islamophobia. Perhaps they should drop those things so we can feel good voting for them again?
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Feb 26, 2017 18:15
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XyrlocShammypants posted:What a zinger, we use the electoral college! Wow! No one ever thought about that. The question was about the size of the base and in total or in smaller localities the Democrats can easily regain what was lost (or gain on top of what they had). Actually visiting Wisconsin and Michigan will do wonders. the democratic base is fine and wisconsin will go to the dems in 2020 no worries! *state is under 1 party republican rule*
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Feb 26, 2017 18:15
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Condiv posted:Well, we didn't agonize until the dems started adopting supply-side economics and islamophobia. Perhaps they should drop those things so we can feel good voting for them again? You know who really hates those things tho, the Republicans.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:17
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i am the bird posted:Did you read the article? The claims that this influenced people seem wildly unsubstantiated, along the same lines that the DNC used anti-semitism to get rid of Bernie. I'm sure the islamophobia coming from a major donor had no influence on the dems. Further, we should tolerate such islamophobic rhetoric cause it will put us closer to the center!
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Feb 26, 2017 18:18
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How are people who agonize over whether or not to vote for a Democrat "the Democratic base?" Because they reliably voted for Dems until recently.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:18
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Lightning Lord posted:I think it's an overblown influence but it was there. Saban is a pretty influential guy and all he cares about is Israel. Parts of the party's love affair with an apartheid state is infuriating, and I'm sure there are assholes in the vote for Perez, but asserting that the party is run by rampant Islamophobes is stupid and unproductive.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:19
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Lightning Lord posted:You know who really hates those things tho, the Republicans. I don't vote for the republicans cause they're scum. Why would I vote for dems who've decided to be scummy too?
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Feb 26, 2017 18:19
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:the democratic base is fine and wisconsin will go to the dems in 2020 no worries! *state is under 1 party republican rule* Things change. The world is not permanently doomed. Republicans themselves were out of power pretty much everywhere not too long ago
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Feb 26, 2017 18:30
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oh, btw. as long as dem leadership doesn't eject the people circulating that islamophobic drivel against a respected sitting dem, they support islamophobia.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:31
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Things change. The world is not permanently doomed. Republicans themselves were out of power pretty much everywhere not too long ago and they'll change in our favor despite us doing nothing different! 
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Feb 26, 2017 18:32
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i am the bird posted:Parts of the party's love affair with an apartheid state is infuriating, and I'm sure there are assholes in the vote for Perez, but asserting that the party is run by rampant Islamophobes is stupid and unproductive. I agree. Israel... I know people who hate Islamophobia but support Bibi. It's a very painful issue. I hope people can understand why trying to internalize that Israel is an apartheid state breaks some people's brains. Condiv posted:I don't vote for the republicans cause they're scum. Why would I vote for dems who've decided to be scummy too? America is a two party system. We can try to change that, but since actual Nazis are out and about, it now has to be in our free time. Oh and if your major issues with the Dems are Reganonomics and Islamophobia, because of that system, I have some bad news for you... I don't like most Democrats either, but they are actually of this Earth and can be reasoned with. Yell at Perez. Yell at your representatives and senators. Just because Perez is here doesn't mean we get to give up on trying to make the party keep going left.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:34
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Condiv posted:I don't vote for the republicans cause they're scum. Why would I vote for dems who've decided to be scummy too? Everyone who had false equivalency on their bingo card take a bow Oh wait that was the free space
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Feb 26, 2017 18:35
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Lightning Lord posted:America is a two party system. We can try to change that, but since actual Nazis are out and about, it now has to be in our free time. Oh and if your major issues with the Dems are Reganonomics and Islamophobia, because of that system, I have some bad news for you...  sorry, racists can't be reasoned with and i refuse to support a racist party. get back to me when the dems have ejected the islamophobes from their leadershiptbh, it's kind of sad to see diehard dems abandon even their support of minorities to support a hollow party that just keeps getting shittier.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:36
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So the Democrats hosed or what? I don't see them pulling off a big win in 2018. And who the gently caress are they gonna field in 3 years for the prez?
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Feb 26, 2017 18:42
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Frijolero posted:So the Democrats hosed or what? No one expected bush Obama or trump four years before the election. No one will predict the next winner 4 years out this time.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:44
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Frijolero posted:So the Democrats hosed or what? hillary you know how i know? the hillary diehards insist she'll never run again!
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Feb 26, 2017 18:44
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2018 is gonna suck because it's mostly democrats up for election in the senate. Ellison or no that's not gonna change.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:45
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Lord Lambeth posted:2018 is gonna suck because it's mostly democrats up for election in the senate. Ellison or no that's not gonna change. it's gonna suck more now cause the dems decided they would like to bleed more voters
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Feb 26, 2017 18:47
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Condiv posted:it's gonna suck more now cause the dems decided they would like to bleed more voters This decision probably isn't going to have that much of an effect by 2018.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:48
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Majorian posted:This decision probably isn't going to have that much of an effect by 2018. dunno, deciding to harbor islamophobes seems like an idiot mistake for a party that needs to combat islamophobia right loving now. ditto making GBS threads on energetic supporters by electing an empty suit that no one cares about aside from lobbyists and donors
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Feb 26, 2017 18:50
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As a remimder, the right is actively trying to make the left fight itself.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:51
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Condiv posted:dunno, deciding to harbor islamophobes seems like an idiot mistake for a party that needs to combat islamophobia right loving now. ditto making GBS threads on energetic supporters by electing an empty suit that no one cares about aside from lobbyists and donors "No one cared about my Central American conspiracy theories, better change track and call everyone I don't like islamaohobes, gotem!"
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Feb 26, 2017 18:53
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Condiv posted:Well, we didn't agonize until the dems started adopting supply-side economics and islamophobia. Perhaps they should drop those things so we can feel good voting for them again? Yeah ever since that centrist FDR betrayed Huey Long and the left to implement the milquetoast New Deal, the Democrats have just gone downhill
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Feb 26, 2017 18:53
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Condiv posted:dunno, deciding to harbor islamophobes seems like an idiot mistake for a party that needs to combat islamophobia right loving now. ditto making GBS threads on energetic supporters by electing an empty suit that no one cares about aside from lobbyists and donors "Deciding to harbor Islamophobes" is an exaggeration; it's not like they were preventing him from being brought to justice or anything like that. I agree, it's grotesque that this guy used Islamophobia against Ellison, and that some DNC members were receptive to it. But I somehow doubt that this dude's Islamophobia is going to be a driving factor in the Democratic platform going forward. I also agree that this isn't an encouraging sign going forward, but there are going to be a lot more fights going forward, and a lot of them are going to be way more consequential than who is essentially the chief Democratic fundraiser.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:55
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"Wow a lot of people seem upset and alienated by this vote... let's call them idiots and children! That will win them back!" Again, the party can never fail; it can only be failed. Keeping up this thing where people who don't unquestioningly follow the line are told they are stupid, racist, voting against their own self interest--whatever--is going to keep losing and losing elections.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:58
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Just gonna say again that the right is actively hoping we dissolve into infighting, which we are.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:58
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Perez seems alright. He's a wait and see kind of person. He's a bit too corporate-friendly for my tastes, the kind of things I didn't like Clinton for. Maybe he'll work with Ellison or maybe it'll just be the same old status-quo poo poo that lost the Democrats, well, everything. My biggest problem is that Perez is a candidate drawn up in response to the Progressive Democrat's candidate because the darlings of the Center didn't like his nomination. This article puts it better than I can. So the salt, at least in the circles I follow, isn't so much because Ellison would have been a radical over-hauler of the Democratic part, who would set it straight and bring about a socialist utopia - it's mainly because the establishment saw fit to push the Left down and away from gaining any real positions of power within the party.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:59
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The left seems fairly united in its opposition to right-wingers like perez and clinton though
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Feb 26, 2017 19:00
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Covok posted:Just gonna say again that the right is actively hoping we dissolve into infighting, which we are. Eh, I don't think that's quite the case. People slap-fighting on Something Awful doesn't really reflect how things are going more broadly. Calibanibal posted:The left seems fairly united in its opposition to right-wingers like perez and clinton though Stupid barbs like these aren't helpful though, knock it off please.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:01
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Covok posted:As a remimder, the right is actively trying to make the left fight itself. For what it's worth, I don't think this has gone unnoticed. This was fairly obvious with the tweet from Trump(?) bloviating over Perez, and it only seems more blatant with the background we have on Cambridge Analytica. I think bringing attention to this fact is fairly important, and not just for how it relates to elections. The question then, however: what do you do to inhibit this tactic?
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Feb 26, 2017 19:01
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Lightning Lord posted:You know who really hates those things tho, the Republicans. Yeah they love things and I hate them with a passion for it. Now why should I support a party that days Oh we believe in the exact same thing, only slightly less racist. If you run as the diet version of your opposition, their base isn't going to turn out for you cause they can just go vote for the original and you're going to alienate your base because they're going to wonder why bother voting for you if you're just going to behave like the people they wouldn't vote for.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:01
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Instead of voting for progressives regardless of who is DNC leader, fart into your easy chair and hope real hard that the wraith of Eugene Debs will become president. When the GOP was confronted with an existential threat (a black person) as president, they voted away anyone who didn't crave his flesh as much as they did. When we are faced with such a threat (a nalfeshnee demon) as president, we just go home at the first sign of trouble because someone talked to a banker once. We're all going to die.
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Feb 26, 2017 19:02
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Office Pig posted:For what it's worth, I don't think this has gone unnoticed. This was fairly obvious with the tweet from Trump(?) bloviating over Perez, and it only seems more blatant with the background we have on Cambridge Analytica. I think bringing attention to this fact is fairly important, and not just for how it relates to elections. The question then, however: what do you do to inhibit this tactic? Don't give in and shed light on it so others don't also.
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Lightning Lord posted:When we are faced with such a threat (a nalfeshnee demon) as president, we just go home. I've never thought of Trump as a Nalfeshnee, but now that you mention it, there's pretty much no way he isn't.
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