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Neurolimal posted:you get a hilarious level lead and red buff for no mana cost or health cost, then you do a hilariously good gank and then instantly clear a camp on your way to your next gank Neurolimal stop ghost posting me you agreeing with me makes my point seems stupid
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I just played a support Zilean game with full tank Mundo top and Olaf jungle, and speeding either/both of them into the enemy team was the most fun I've had supporting in a month. What do you even do about the 3500 hp Olaf running at your back line at like 550 movement speed?
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Mystery Prize posted:I just played a support Zilean game with full tank Mundo top and Olaf jungle, and speeding either/both of them into the enemy team was the most fun I've had supporting in a month. Go 100% crit Jhin and outrun/juke his axes with Zilean support, or alternatively, have good enough wards that you can catch someone on their team and make it a 5v4 so he's useless or catch the Olaf and force him to blow his ult to run away.
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ungulateman posted:league of legends is the WORST GAME IN HUMAN HISTORY Nasus backdoor?
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Feb 26, 2017 12:22
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Holy loving poo poo people on the League subreddit are so loving retarded it's incredible They're literally arguing that a support Nunu with smite should have been banned, even though the Singed smite support thing was already put to bed God drat I lust for eternal death
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Feb 26, 2017 12:46
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Teikanmi posted:Holy loving poo poo people on the League subreddit are so loving retarded it's incredible
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Feb 26, 2017 12:49
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i dont really like the idea of just saying wildly off meta poo poo should be banned, but riot basically backed themselves into this corner by making adc a role that absolutely requires a willing participant laner in order to even play the game so get these smite "supports" the gently caress out of here
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Feb 26, 2017 13:04
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rabidsquid posted:i dont really like the idea of just saying wildly off meta poo poo should be banned, but riot basically backed themselves into this corner by making adc a role that absolutely requires a willing participant laner in order to even play the game so get these smite "supports" the gently caress out of here
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Feb 26, 2017 13:10
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Feb 26, 2017 13:12
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Tired Moritz posted:let people play whatever they want. thats a good point, im going to reimagine the support position as double mid from here on
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Tired Moritz posted:let people play whatever they want.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:16
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Tired Moritz posted:let people play whatever they want. It's loving miserable to 2v1 as an adc while your 'support' fucks around with the opposing jungler the entire game
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Feb 26, 2017 13:19
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im cool, I don't play ranked.rabidsquid posted:thats a good point, im going to reimagine the support position as double mid from here on yeah, I play Karma too.
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Feb 26, 2017 13:27
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Sexpansion posted:Nasus backdoor? The enemy inhibitor respawned as we were killing their nexus on two separate occasions We utterly rolled bot lane by virtue of Bard being one of the worst support players I have ever seen, but it didn't matter, because Malzahar had 1800 ping for the first 35 minutes and Renekton was too busy failing to dive the full armor Nasus and/or 1v4ing Then we all died on the second attempt to kill the nexus, thwarted by the respawning inhibitor, and the Nasus ended the game solo during our death timers I am literally never playing league of legends again, i have no interest in a game that has no interest in letting 1/5th of each team have actual zero impact on their team winning outside of ridiculous corner cases and/or zyra (in fairness the game i played with the 3/11 gangplank and 0/13 yasuo, with gangplank's kills being an ult underneath our t1 tower as i stunned their entire team as leona inside it, was also a contributing factor)
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Feb 26, 2017 14:07
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rabidsquid posted:thats a good point, im going to reimagine the support position as double mid from here on Like if their mid doesn't have good waveclear or an ability to play safely, then they need to put two people in mid too. And if they don't you come out way ahead (especially if your bot has good waveclear in the 1v2).
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I fondly remember when jungling was considered a troll pick that you were only doing to spite your top laner E: Ashe mid was either the norm or an insidious troll depending on the phases of the moon Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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Feb 26, 2017 16:21
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It's obvious that something needs to be done about the support role. They've tried making support gameplay (gold income, etc.) smoother and more appealing, but that didn't work, so they're trying to hammer top-shaped pegs into support-shaped holes via the autofill system. In an outcome no one could possibly have seen coming, this leads to unhappy people who perform poorly.
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Feb 26, 2017 16:40
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Feb 26, 2017 16:46
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Supports are fine, it's ADC's that are busted and antiquated. It's no surprise that many of the best ADC's either dont play like ADC's (Jihn, Graves) or have obscene numbers/damage amplifiers (MF, Vayne)
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Feb 26, 2017 16:53
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If they could break away from the idea of the support needing to be the adc's nanny and/or playmaker, to where it's more of an egalitarian relationship between two heroes who happen to be in a duo lane together, that would be a big step. I'd argue that this is the sort of thing that should have been done all along (and perhaps tellingly, it was the way me and my friends played LoL in the ignorant days near launch, as well as HoN and DotA many years before that). Unfortunately, doing it at this stage probably requires a rethinking of all the current support heroes and possibly the queue system, because if you have a lane where one side is two heroes doing their own things and the other side is a powerful support/initiation toolkit working in concert with the adc, the side that still has a dedicated support toolkit/player probably wins. That's fine in comp play or if people are queuing as a 5-stack but it's pretty terrible in yolo queue.
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Feb 26, 2017 16:53
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why do people keep afking in aurf 
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Feb 26, 2017 21:13
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It never fails. I get a promo, advance, and my first matches are always with feeder teams. I know you're supposed to 'carry your team' but what am I supposed to do when the enemy is up 7 kills in 7 minutes off the other lanes?
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Feb 26, 2017 21:23
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Teikanmi posted:Holy loving poo poo people on the League subreddit are so loving retarded it's incredible I saw that and the guy is like d3-d1 with nunu smite support so it probably has some strength. Imo you should play anything anywhere if you are good with it. I played with a guy in like d5 who use to only GP bot but he played pretty well so I don't think anyone cared. Of course as soon as he loses one game he is probably the one blamed. I only almost exclusively play meta champs but I think off meta champs are fine as long as you aren't picking them to grief others. People who are one tricks of weird off meta poo poo like Nunu support or singed support probably think that is good and if they have a decent winrate I don't see why they should be forced to play meta.
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Feb 26, 2017 21:58
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Unless you're Challenger, it's hard to have any real reaction except laughter when someone at your same MMR is flaming you for being "bad."
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Totally, also I have seen so many weird off meta stuff work that at this point nothing surprises me. If you play enough ranked nothing really surprises you. My favorite off meta pick was support ap Ez he carried so hard lol.
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It's a lose lose for Riot to react either way. They ban the guy for doing wacky smite ignite bot lane antics people screech Riot is trying to pigeonhole people into roles and solidifying the meta, they don't and you get games of people doing deliberately wacky poo poo and pissing people off and making the game miserable. Personally I flinch when a goon says trust me, my triforce Janna toplane is legit as gently caress and the proceed to go 1/17. Doing something wacky within reason is cool but there's a limit.
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Feb 26, 2017 22:20
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Weird gimmicks have a tendency to be super risky, and when they are done from bot lane you are also putting your partner's game on the line too. It's really hard to recover when your Panth support with ignite who started longsword wasn't able to pick up any early kills. The problem is the game relies super heavily on adhering to role meta and team composition without doing much to lead players into making good choices.
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LeJackal posted:It never fails. I get a promo, advance, and my first matches are always with feeder teams. I know you're supposed to 'carry your team' but what am I supposed to do when the enemy is up 7 kills in 7 minutes off the other lanes? Seriouspost: I recommend not playing comp on the weekends.
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JerryLee posted:Seriouspost: I recommend not playing comp on the weekends. This is a smart idea.
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LegalPad posted:Weird gimmicks have a tendency to be super risky, and when they are done from bot lane you are also putting your partner's game on the line too. It's really hard to recover when your Panth support with ignite who started longsword wasn't able to pick up any early kills. It's even more problematic in bot lane because if bot goes early then multiple dragons go with it. First tower bonuses are also pretty huge and it's generally a pretty good idea to dogpile bot lane early for that. Seeing off meta things doing badly is a blaring klaxon saying "KILL THIS TOWER IMMEDIATELY."
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Off meta can work pretty well if you're a scrub like me and play bads. Today our ADC accidentally locked in akali without paying attention. Support picked veigar. They chilled until 6, then wrecked face, we won pretty handily. Sometimes people just lose their poo poo when something unfamiliar pops up el dingo fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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LeJackal posted:It never fails. I get a promo, advance, and my first matches are always with feeder teams. I know you're supposed to 'carry your team' but what am I supposed to do when the enemy is up 7 kills in 7 minutes off the other lanes? worst poster, worst player, worst person
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Sometimes off meta is your only good choice. If you're last pick botlane and everyone else locks in physical damage then it's really dumb to pick a standard adc.
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How Rude posted:worst poster, worst player, worst person Quit projecting. 
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One of my favorite duo partners is an Urgot with Barrier-only player. He's really loving good mechanically and plays really smart. We constantly get dodged and threatened to be reported for trolling in champ select. After we poo poo on not lane and carry the game, people say that they want to try it as well. It's funny how quickly people's attitudes can change.
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Teikanmi posted:One of my favorite duo partners is an Urgot with Barrier-only player. He's really loving good mechanically and plays really smart. We constantly get dodged and threatened to be reported for trolling in champ select. After we poo poo on not lane and carry the game, people say that they want to try it as well. It's funny how quickly people's attitudes can change.
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ShadowHawk posted:Sometimes off meta is your only good choice. If you're last pick botlane and everyone else locks in physical damage then it's really dumb to pick a standard adc. Luckily there Ziggs is on-meta for that slot. It works disturbingly well.
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JerryLee posted:If they could break away from the idea of the support needing to be the adc's nanny and/or playmaker, to where it's more of an egalitarian relationship between two heroes who happen to be in a duo lane together, that would be a big step. I'd argue that this is the sort of thing that should have been done all along (and perhaps tellingly, it was the way me and my friends played LoL in the ignorant days near launch, as well as HoN and DotA many years before that). my dude, support is the significantly stronger role of the two in bot lane and is the huge deciding factor in who wins the lane the majority of the time. the fact of the matter is this is 100% player perception, which is also why you have apes screeching that ADC is still as powerful as it was in season 3 and that support is a trash role you cannot carry from.
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rabidsquid posted:my dude, support is the significantly stronger role of the two in bot lane and is the huge deciding factor in who wins the lane the majority of the time. the fact of the matter is this is 100% player perception, which is also why you have apes screeching that ADC is still as powerful as it was in season 3 and that support is a trash role you cannot carry from. this is a fine view in theorycrafting but what you'll find in game is that even if you play max q morgana if your team refuses to do anything after you hit a q you'll lose and they'll still whine about your vision when they facecheck bushes in obvious enemy territory and get 100-0'd while you ping warning on them.
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