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Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

And Gaap's suppose to be symbolic of how badly Battler's doing - that Meta-Beato can pull a major demon out and into the game is her showing off how much stronger she's getting.

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Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

I'm going to take a wild guess that Gaap isn't in the fighting game simply because her specific powers would be a headache to translate into a sane moveset, especially since it was actually made by 07th Expansion and initially released at Comiket rather than some major game studio. Most of the other characters have relatively straightforward attacks, rather than "make holes anywhere I feel like that lead to anywhere I like." Alternatively she just wasn't particularly popular, and relatively minor, so they didn't bother.

It could of course be something else - hell, the reason might even be mentioned somewhere - but I've never really gone looking for the reasons behind that omission.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
I think Gaap was actually mentioned as a teleporter back in episode 1. She makes gaps in space. (She also has a gap in her outfit.)
*

whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

SardonicTyrant posted:

It's only my opinion, but I feel that certain Red statements have to carry across worlds or there's no basis to reason out what's going on.

For example, if we assume the 18 person rule is only true, wrt the 3rd game, then we could say there was a 19th guest in the 1st and 2nd games and stopping putting any thought into our answers, and that's something the game keeps calling out the reader to avoid.

Even if the 18 person rule holds true was can say that Kinzo was dead before the start of the game so there's an extra "18th person". We still shouldn't stop thinking because though the first 3 games are "solved", we're still in the question arcs and Beato is presumably going to make those games unsolved with more red text. As far as we know red text only applies to one world except when it was about metaBattler/Beato and probably the Kuwadorian statements (which were about 1967 before the game started). That's why the statements about the master keys were repeated in the 3rd game.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Though we did come some confirmation from Prof that on some reds that were true for all games.

oath2order
Oct 12, 2013

It's MAGIC. I don't have to explain shit!


MonsterEnvy posted:

I think Gaap was actually mentioned as a teleporter back in episode 1. She makes gaps in space. (She also has a gap in her outfit.)
*




VVV We would never lie to you newbies.

oath2order fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Feb 27, 2017

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug
I thought posts about a fighting game were jokes so welp.

oath2order
Oct 12, 2013

It's MAGIC. I don't have to explain shit!


It is very real.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Fabulousvillain posted:

I still don't know why Gaap is in this game.

The demons seem to all be analogues for either people or tools which the culprit could have used. Ronove -> Genji, Kumasawa -> Virgilia, Chiesters -> guns, Stakes -> Stakes. I think Gaap represents hidden passages or trap-doors which very well could exist between any rooms not explicitly red-texted as closed. I'm especially suspicious of the equipment room that Gohda and Kumasawa were locked in, and which Those Murders were found That One Time.

I think Gaap's moveset is not so impossible to imagine: she can create holes in the ground at a few different distances which send you to point-blank range, where she kicks you around. It even describes George getting inside her range.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

oath2order posted:

It is very real.



Ange is my favourite character in this because she can summon Sakutaro who just sorta sways happily behind her :kimchi:



Also I guess he can do special moves or something, I'm not good at fighting games.

Also it bears repeating It has MASSIVE spoilers in it for chapters this LP hasn't reached yet, so don't look into it too much if you haven't already finished the game before the LP

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011

Tender Child Loins posted:

So to jump off from that statement, why not? Why can't Battler in particular never be a culprit? What purpose does that serve for the mastermind of this scheme?

Probably so the reader can trust him and his efforts. Battler may not be a good detective, but at least he's trying. If he's really the murderer, he wouldn't want to solve the case. Watching Sherlock Holmes pretend to solve a murder he really committed would be odd. You'd need some other detective who's really trying or the story would fall flat.

I suspect somebody already said this, but the "meta" scenes feel to me like a mystery author (Beato) and a reader (Battler) discussing a story. Then the different episodes become revisions of one story. Same basic idea and characters, but the details get switched around as the author tries to present a more clever puzzle. I think it feels this way because the emphasis is on figuring out the locked room part, while it would be more realistic to wonder who the murder is, and how they can be stopped from killing again, rather than "did this require magic?"

I don't think we gotten any hint of why the murderer would want to create a locked room. I hope there really is a reason other than it making for a neat puzzle.

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015

Doc Hawkins posted:

The demons seem to all be analogues for either people or tools which the culprit could have used. Ronove -> Genji, Kumasawa -> Virgilia, Chiesters -> guns, Stakes -> Stakes. I think Gaap represents hidden passages or trap-doors which very well could exist between any rooms not explicitly red-texted as closed. I'm especially suspicious of the equipment room that Gohda and Kumasawa were locked in, and which Those Murders were found That One Time.

I think Gaap's moveset is not so impossible to imagine: she can create holes in the ground at a few different distances which send you to point-blank range, where she kicks you around. It even describes George getting inside her range.

Thank you for the answer I really wanted, I still think she's lame but this is better than just "because the artist was really proud of this goofy character design they made, also tits."

As for fighting games, she could be a bullshit teleporting everywhere type like half of the Mortal Kombat characters, also dive kicks.

NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013


oath2order posted:

It is very real.



This move is hilarious because you can use it against Ronove, and if my recollection is correct, Battler is horrified.

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


:siren:Video: Succession, Part 2:siren:

BGM: Revolt

"...Whaaat?! Why?! It's Gaap, isn't it? Taking someone else's summonings without asking!! Gap! Gapgap!!
"...Confirming Battle Regulations. Requesting permission to fire at the escapees."
"Do it...! Kill them, kiii-!! Gapgapgap, gap, gya!!!"
"Understood. 45, 410, Prepare for Sniping Pursuit Combat. Ammo Type, Guided Cluster Rounds. Virgilia-sama, an escape prevention barrier, if you would."
"Owowowow... Y-Yes, you're right. Hohhoho, I won't let you escape from here. Owow, bit my tongue saying Gapgap..."



...However, that was no problem for them now.

"Kanon, it's those metal bars again! We're counting on you...!"
"Yes, Krauss-sama...!"
"...Still, that's incredible. ...I wonder what kind of principle it works on."
"I'm not interested in principles. All that matters is that he can sever the metal bars... and that we can escape from here...! Don't worry, Kanon, do it!"
"Leave it to me...!"

Kanon sliced the metal bars again with his red curved blade. But there was a harsh, strange noise, and the metal bars only had a slight scratch.

"Wh-What's this? These are sturdy..."



"Can you cut through it?"
"Of course. But it will take time."
"We'll wait three minutes...!"

After taking a deep breath and concentrating his mind, Kanon extended a red curved sword again. When he pressed it hard against the metal bars, sparks sprayed, almost as though he was melting through it with a burner.

"It looks like we'll be able to cut it, but it'll be tough."
"...Krauss-sama, you've been targeted by the enemy. Please move back."
"Huh? Pursuers? There's no one coming!"
"Please get behind me. They're aiming for you...!!"



"410, Data Received. Checking Hazard Zone, no problems."
"00, Loading 48 Sub-rounds, Individual Homing F&F. Guided Cluster Rounds, Preparations Complete."
"45, Firing Preparations Concluded. Loading Guided Cluster Rounds."
"410, nihhihihihi! Firiiing!!"

A golden arrow that sparkled gold was fired, leaving a gold tail streaming behind. It drew a curve, went through the door, through the keyhole, down the stairs, towards the underground path at full speed...!



"...You can't block the golden arrow with a shield. Kanon-kun, Interception Stance. Let's link."
"Gatekeeper, understood. It's been a long time since I've fought with you, Nee-san. Don't screw up."
"Yeah. I'll be serious."
"Then there's no problem!"

Kanon stopped cutting the bars and stood in front of Shannon. Behind him, Shannon closed her eyes, concentrating her mind deep, deep into the darkness of the underground path...



The strength of each individual one is low, but they pierce through all shields and possess a perfect wounding and killing power against personnel. And on top of that, each one of the 48 possesses autonomous guidance towards their individual targets.

"...It shone. It's divided..."
"Confirming Guided Cluster Round Division. 46...7...8... 48 Sub-rounds, All Rounds Locked Onto. Interception Control. Data Link to Kanon."
"Kanon, Data Received. You're incredible, Nee-san. You can actually 'see' all 48."
"Concentrate on Interception Prioritization. Trust your Nee-san."
"Of course. I don't even need to open my eyes."
"Commencing Interception."





"Nihyah?! All 48 of them?!"
"Hohohoh... After all, Shannon and Kanon were originally a furniture pair. They're strong when they're together."
"...Owowow. Is this gonna become a mouth ulcer or something...?"
"Calm down, Reload. Updating Ammo Type. Precision Light-Speed Sniper Rounds. Preparing for Precision Sniping."
"Sounds good nyeh, impossible to intercept super high-speed rounds! Impossible for a mere Gatekeeper to defend against nyeh!"
"Precision Sniping, roger that. Commencing Collection of Precision Firing-use Data..."



"Don't worry, I don't have a clue either... All I know is that we would've died if not for these two..."
"Kanon-kun, thanks. Go back to the metal bars. The next shot will probably be one we can't intercept."
"How can we defend against such an attack...?!"
"We don't let them shoot. Kanon-kun, Initiate Spirit Particle Combat Countermeasures."

At those words, Kanon closed his eyes tightly and ground his teeth. With Shannon at the center, a pressure and impact that only nonhumans could perceive struck.





"It's Spirit Wave Jamming! Activate Spirit Particle Safeguards, hurry! What are you doing?! Cover your ears quickly, 45!!!"

An unseen, unheard impact had struck the Chiester Sisters. 00 and 410 crouched down, covering their ears, but 45 didn't make it in time. As she stood bolt upright, her eyes rolled.

"Ukyu...?!?! Kyuu? Kyu-! Kyu- kyu- kyu-!!!"
"45 got damaged...! Her IME's busted...!! Nn, gya, the noise... is also horrible for me nyeh..."
"45, 410, and 00, Damaged... Abandoning Sniping Posture. Ack, it came straight through the link... I-If we don't reboot..."

Raising their spirit particle sensitivity for precision sniping had backfired. They had taken the full brunt of the spirit particle shock wave Shannon had released, and not only 45, who had been hit directly, but also 00 and 410, who had been linked with her, were taken down.

"Are you okay?! I'll make you some more delicious black tea later, so get ahold of yourselves!"
"...M-My apologies, sir... Rebooting. Please wait several hundred seconds..."

All of the Chiester Sisters had fallen over. They would probably get back up eventually, but it looked like it would be hard for them to return to the battle lines for a while.



Virgilia tore the air with a large gesture, motioning as though opening a door.

"Come, arise, goat attendants...! It's time to work. Catch and kill the escapees. Corpses are fine, we can just revive them anyway!"

A gold-colored door opened in the air... and countless giant goats with muscular bodies peeked their faces out...

"Come now, hurry. There are five escapees, so the fastest five of you win! There will be a wonderful prize, so give it your all, give it your all!"

Virgilia clapped her hands, urging them on. A prize?! After facing each other at those words, the goats all rushed to the door at once, trying to get out, making the exit as packed as the Touzai or the Yamanote rail lines in the morning. Each wanted to get out first, so none of them could get out. Virgilia held her head in frustration.



It had been a bit of work for Krauss, large as he was, and Nanjo, with his lethal waist, but even so, they all managed to make it through. But after they did, they only had a couple seconds to be relieved. Immediately, another set of metal bars blocked the way in front of them.

"This certainly is secure. I'll bet they really didn't want the people in here to escape."
"Kanon, sorry, but I'll have to ask you again. It may be tough, but please...!"

There was sweat on Kanon's forehead. You could tell at a glance that cutting the metal bars, which had been made even more solid by magic, had physically exhausted him.

"...Yes, leave it to me, Krauss-sama."
"Only you can do it! Please, we're counting on you...!"

Only he... could do it. Holding tightly onto those words, Kanon concentrated his mind once again and set himself to the task of cutting metal bars again.

"...Enemies are coming from behind. Multiple targets."
"Yeah, this time even we can tell. The ground's really shaking. I can tell that some ridiculous monsters are rushing at us."
"Don't worry. I'll use a magic lock to make a blockade of the metal bars we just came through. Mere goats won't be able to break it."

Shannon held her hand out towards the metal bars they had gone through. But she stopped right away.

"Wh-What is it...?"
"Virgilia-sama has started neutralizing the Spirit Wave Jamming... It'll be bad if it's broken, and we'll lose the initiative once the Chiester Sisters are rebooted...!"



"If you're trying to gain the advantage with those clever spirit particles of yours, I'll tear all that away and rob you of them."



"I don't have a clue what you're saying, but-"
"We know it's something pretty bad."

Kyrie picked up a metal bar that Kanon had just cut. Krauss had no weapon, but he rubbed his fists, and the two of them glared into the depths of the underground passage where the shaking was coming from.

"...I believe these are the final metal bars blocking the way."
"How far is it to the mansion from here?"
"Quite a walk... The path is even, but I seem to remember walking for 30 minutes..."
"So if we run all out, it'll be half that time."

They couldn't tell for sure, since they didn't have the three-sided mirror, but there was no guarantee that George and Jessica would still be all right against demon opponents after all this time.

"...If we run at twice the speed of walking, it'll be 15 minutes. And twice that speed would make it eight minutes."
"And if we sprint all out at double that speed, it won't even take 5. No problem."
"Wh-What an unreasonable calculation... But that's how you calculate in a fire...!"
"...My sincere apologies, everyone. Please watch my back...!"
"Leave it to us. Kanon, you cut the bars as fast as you can. Shannon, you concentrate on jamming this witch called Virgilia or whatever. Kyrie-san and I will defend against our pursuers...!"



Goats that were several levels more massive than the guards were rushing with an incredible force. The tremors they created were almost like an earthquake. They brought a frightening intensity and terror, but Kyrie actually laughed with relief. Those massive bodies wouldn't be able to go through the crack in the bars!

The group of goats crashed into the metal bars with a fierce sound like that of a train colliding with a dead end. Clumps of dirt fell here and there from the ceiling, and you could tell that the metal bars had bent as if collapsing. Their charging power probably was on par with a train. If the metal bars hadn't been there, they would likely have overwhelmed the five of them and crushed them in an instant. When the group of goats pressing up against the metal bars noticed the five people right in front of them, they let out a terrible howl, trying to intimidate the five. Or maybe that was out of pain from their game of push and shove.

One calm goat among them figured out what should be done about the metal bars, then grabbed two of them with its massive arms and began bending them as though opening double doors. Kyrie sharply jabbed her metal pole at that goat's vitals...! The goat let out a roar of anguish. It probably hurt a lot, but that was all. It wasn't enough to bring it down...

"Krauss-san...!!"
"Whoooaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!"

Still holding the metal pole she had stuck out, Kyrie relinquished the opposite tip to Krauss. Krauss ran there with all his might, jumped up and kicked down with all his weight and kicking power combined...! All of that destructive power was focused on a single pole, drilling it in!!



As the goat who'd taken a pile bunker to its vitals writhed with teary eyes, it nodded its head.

"Looks like our link isn't that bad either. We won't lose to Shannon-chan and Kanon-kun."
"Naturally, for a loving family like us."
"We can do it if we take them together! Next, that one on the right!"
"Understood...! You really are a good wife. That Rudolf must have grumbled a little too much."
"Ooh, tell me about it later. Rudolf-san, suddenly turning pale in heaven won't do you any good, okay?"



To think that those massive bodies had been kicked in the chin and flown through the air... It was too fierce! Even George seemed a little surprised.

"...To think that my kick works on monsters too. Now there's a shock."
"...It's because of your counterattack-style barrier. The attacking power that grazes you is added on to your own. Your kick has been supplemented by those monsters' superhuman strength..."
"Oh...? I don't really get it, but isn't that just perfect for me? No matter who attacks me, they should be prepared for a counterattack of equal measure. Nonaggressive defense. That's my policy."

That's why Gaap couldn't easily touch him. The counterattack-style barrier had no defensive power. However, because of its countering ability, it could be useful in defense by making the opponent hesitate to attack. The goats had been foolish and so had attacked without worrying, but this second effect had worked in full against Gaap.

"These guys really are dull. When your power's even, it's always an advantage to have a smaller build."

He lightly dodged the log-like arms. When those arms touched the barrier that protected George, they let off a strong, red light. The tip of the counterattacking foot would then gain the same sparkle... and the superhuman power of the goat added to its own. The second goat fell forward and floated in the air for a second.

Then, George's next roundhouse kick missed right over the falling goat's head. For an instant, the goat hoped it might get away with its life. But no!! A heel was dropped onto the back of its head, and it was forced to kiss the ground.



"This guy's...a problem, seriously, a problem...!!"
"What do you mean, demons? What do you mean, witches? The rulers of Rokkenjima are the Ushiromiya family. I'll make you physically aware of that."
"...Yoooooooooooouuuuuu...!!"

The only way to finish off George, now that his body was wrapped up in a counterattack-style barrier, was to deny him a chance to counterattack. Nothing to do but suck him into the Abyss next, then kick and drop him, kick and drop him, kick and drop him... until she kicked him to death!!!

But George had already completely seen through the faint warning signs that told of the appearance of Gaap's pitfalls. If he could jump over that next pitfall, then this time, he would probably pulverize Gaap's head with his whirlwind-like kick, without holding back in the slightest, just as had been done to his parents. She was able to envision that scene vividly. Gaap hated Kinzo more than ever for calling her out to this ridiculous island...!



Without a more powerful shield, he wouldn't be able to block Jessica's fists anymore. The enchantment on Jessica's fists grew the more she fought. The permeating upgrade had already grown several times, and those fists had also been given an impact upgrade, a piercing upgrade, and a speed upgrade, making them fists worthy to fight on par with a demon...



"No. Your movements and thoughts and kinetic vision have been rapidly enchanted. My movements have not changed from the beginning. Your movements are beginning to catch up to me."
"And you still won't fight back...?!!"
"This is my style. However, I cannot allow it to continue at this rate. It's about time for me to get serious and end this...!!"

Ronove's face turned into an expression he hadn't shown before. It was full of respect for Jessica in a truly demonic way. Because it was an expression he only showed for enemies who made him get serious.

"Whooaa?!?! What the?!"



It was more tenacious than a simple shield. It literally was a wall. And on top of that, with all of Ronove's magical power, it pushed Jessica back bit by bit. Did he plan on pushing her back against the wall and crushing her to death?

Jessica tried to break through the wall with both fists, but it was solid. Without any exaggeration, it was solid!

"Is this what you call serious...?!! No problem, I'll break right through iiiiiiiiiiitt!!"
"I will not let you this time. This wall is somewhat different. Here, allow me to enchant it as well."

When Ronove made a magic sign almost like a ninja, the wall glowed red for just an instant... and some kind of ominous power dwelt within it. Jessica was able to recognize that almost immediately with her body. Every time her fists hit the wall, pain as though glass fragments had scattered and hit all over her body rebounded against her.

"I upgraded it with attack-reactive armor. An exceptional item that will decrease the force of your attacks by counterbalancing them... and which can even counterattack with reactive fragments."
"...It's perfectly fine to keep punching it, but doing so will damage you as well."
"Heh, heheh!! In short, it's an endurance test between me and your wall?!! No problem!!"
"Will you fall to your knees first, or be pushed into the wall first? Allow me to observe."
"Except I might break through it and smash that whole wall along with your face, right?! Watch iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!"



Instantly, several red gashes appeared all over her... She grimaced at the intense agony, but her eyes were burning with fighting spirit, and her lips curved in a grin that stood in sharp contrast to the pain...!



"Just... a little more...!"
"There's no stopping these guys... These metal bars might break just from them shoving each other!"

The group of goats made the metal bars creak. Several arms grabbed the bars, twisting them with superhuman strength. However, some bars were being pulled in opposite directions by different hands. Apparently, they really were stupid.

The way those countless hands grabbed the metal bars... sometimes happened to match up by chance. Several hands grasping two metal bars neatly put their power together and pulled the bars to the left and right. The incredible sound of metal bending could be heard, and that crack was getting larger bit by bit...! They attacked the arms of those goats one by one, but they weren't getting anywhere. They couldn't stop the gap from spreading left and right...!



"Quickly!!"
"Kyrie-san, ladies first. You go next, Doctor Nanjo!"
"Krauss-sama, please leave this place to me...! Nng, this is?!"

Kanon's red sword that had cut the metal bars disappeared.



:siren:BGM: The Dark and Crazed Requiem of Purgatory:siren:



A magic circle column drew a complex magical formula with Virgilia at the center. With such genuine magic being used, Shannon's power couldn't even compete. On the contrary, it was surprising that she had withstood as long as she had.

"Spirit Particle Supremacy Ensured. Come, Chiester Sisters. It's your turn now, right?"
"Wait, are you still rebooting?! Why are kids these days so bad at waking up...?!"
"M-My apologies...!! We're all different versions..."
"Why do the shortcuts and pulldown menus get all screwed up every time you change versions nyeh...?! You did not shut down correctly last time? Administrator privileges?? What's going on I don't knooooooow!!"
"Ukyu-!! Ukyu-!! (Fix me quickly-!! Waaaah!)"
"Call the Imperial Guards' Troubleshooting Team! What? You can't help us without a user code?!"
"45 had the user code nyeh."
"Ukyu-!! U, kyu, kyu, kyo, ukyu, kyu-!!!"



"She can't reinstall her IME, so she can't write characters nyeh."
"...Y-You take your time fixing yourselves... I'm going..."
""Sorryyyyyyyyy-!!""



Virgilia was again shocked by this congestion.

"What are you doing...?!! Huh? You want to go first because you want the prize? You're getting in each other's way because you don't want the other goats to steal the prize from you? You stupid goooooooooooooaaaats!!! I'm going, so make way!!"
"What?! You don't want to?! Virgilia-sama is trying to steal your prize?!"
"Why are you all standing arm in arm?!! Aaah, tight, cramped!! When did this become a goats-only car?! Ugyu-!! You, that kid who just touched my butt, get off at the next statioooon!!!"



The five in Krauss's group dashed through the passageway with all their strength! They couldn't dawdle around in an underground place like this. They had to quickly join up with the children on the surface! If they could meet up, there would no longer be any more sorrow!

At that time, a terrible rumble started chasing them. Had their pursuers finally made it through the metal bars?! But they couldn't see anyone when they turned around. However, that rumble and the dirt that fell here and there from the ceiling grew closer and closer, finally catching up with them and even going past them. It felt almost like being chased by ghosts.



BGM: Death (from Stupefaction)

...Virgilia was sitting on its shoulder.

"This wise child knew a shortcut. What a good kid, you get first prize. Later, you can have some handmade mackerel curry."

Maybe it really was happy about that dubious prize. The massive goat showed its joy by putting its hands together and writhing. Virgilia leapt down, laughing that this time, it was finally checkmate.

"...drat, it's no use... Our magic has been completely killed..."
"...Not yet... Even without magic, we still have these bodies..."
"D-Don't be ridiculous...! There's no way you could fight a monster like that without that strange power...!"
"...St-Stay back, children... I'll do something about this, so escape past the sides of that monster while I distract them...!"
"I won't let you. Hohhohohohohoho!"



"Is there... nothing more to be done...? N-No, not yet. Even Jessica fought. I must do so as well..."
"A-Are you serious?! It's not possible, not against that massive monster...!"
"Don't be absurd...! Krauss-san, let us think of another way..."
"If you think of something, say it. Until then, it looks like I'll have to manage something... Come on, get back."
"...Take care."
"Hohohoho, hohhohohohohohohoho! My, my, Krauss. You intend to fight this child alone?"

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!

ProfessorProf posted:



As the goat who'd taken a pile bunker to its vitals writhed with teary eyes, it nodded its head.

...welp.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
EP4 is such a wild ride.

lotus circle
Dec 25, 2012

Jushure Iburu
So don't worry
This is pretty much the best part of EP 4. :allears:

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
I think you'll find that the best part of EP4 is tomorrow's update.

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



ProfessorProf posted:

I think you'll find that the best part of EP4 is tomorrow's update.
Are there going to be more goats? :3:

Carpator Diei
Feb 26, 2011
Just imagine the trouble they'd be in if Kinzo had gone through with switching the Chiesters to Ubunntu!

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

This is insane and I love it. It's crazy that Krauss of all people might be the most likeable Ushiromiya sibling.

Also, more mackerel references. They really want us to think Virgilia's Kumasawa.

CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 27, 2017

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
It's amazing how the doctor manages to consistently be the least useful person on the island.

Classy Hydra
Oct 30, 2011

You did wrong, Jack,
rest your soul.

Yes

This sequence is both the most anime and the best.

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015
This some levels of anime I would not expect after episode 1, but there's still another whole game after this so I'm sure this isn't peak anime. What are Battler and Maria doing right now, I like to think they're watching cartoons and Battler is getting frustrated at Krauss for not using the magically enchanted jail cell bar as a weapon against the goat man.

NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013


Carpator Diei posted:

Just imagine the trouble they'd be in if Kinzo had gone through with switching the Chiesters to Ubunntu!

I appreciated this post. :3:

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

NachtSieger posted:

I appreciated this post. :3:

Oh god I didn't realize the pun until now :allears:

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Ye gods, things have gotten so anime that even the characters are drawing attention to how much of a ridiculous fanfiction it is. I wonder if Maria is writing this, or at least helping the person spinning this story with "suggestions"... or else the person involved is just deranged and is really good at hiding it.

It's so weird and art odds with the story before now, I wonder if any real-world analogues can be drawn between the magical and mundane. I used to think, for example, that Virgilia was a clear parallel to Kumasawa, but they're dropping so many mackerel references and "ohoho"s in her speech as CottonWolf said that I begin to distrust this connection, as it seems purposefully drawn as a manner to cast suspicion on her. But apparently, Gohda and K are locked in the shed, which Battler confirmed, and again the question arises how much the things Bato sees arises as well. I need to draw this out.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica

resurgam40 posted:

I used to think, for example, that Virgilia was a clear parallel to Kumasawa, but they're dropping so many mackerel references and "ohoho"s in her speech as CottonWolf said that I begin to distrust this connection, as it seems purposefully drawn as a manner to cast suspicion on her.

You seem like the type of person who can't take yes for an answer :v:

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

The one thing Umineko has shouted from the rooftops thus far is that we shouldn't trust it.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

CottonWolf posted:

The one thing Umineko has shouted from the rooftops thus far is that we shouldn't trust it.

It's been shouting "magic is real, go team witch!" It's not the game's fault you won't listen. :v:

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Classy Hydra posted:


Yes

This sequence is both the most anime and the best.

Golden post (and also a great place to end an update, jeez)

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


:siren:Video: Farewell, Goat-kun:siren:

"What...?"



"Well, it's true that there are uncertain elements in a fight. Let us admit that your power level has a slight scaling factor to it."



Virgilia and the goat guffawed together.

"D-drat it... If I've got a one-in-ten-thousand chance, that means the payoff will be ten thousand times greater, right? A splendid dark horse. Seeing a ticket like that makes me want to buy it right away..."
"Hohohohoh! But the coin to buy it is your life, and you've only one of those, yes? However, I can understand why you'd still want to entrust that miracle to fate."



"...Come to think of it, what's that *bing*bong*bing*bong* noise I keep hearing?"
"...V-Very well. I'll take that challenge... Whether it uses its left arm or not, I'm sure I'd be killed with a single strike. I also only have a single chance at a strike. I can only bet everything on that."
"That's absurd, Krauss-san...! I know you used to do boxing, but wasn't that as far back as your college days...? No, no, even if you were a pro boxer, there's no way you could defeat a monster like that with one strike...!"
"...That would be true if it were a match in the ring. But while Krauss nii-san's chance to bet on this hope is faint, it does exist. He's betting everything on that hope..."
"Y-You aren't saying... But there's no way that would work out..."
"...Krauss-sama..."
"W-Watch me... I'll settle this with a single strike..."



If the goat and Krauss both step in with all their strength to settle the fight with a single blow, their power will be double what is normal. Both will crash together, so it's a relative four times normal. Even if, on top of that, the strike lands on a weak point for a critical hit, that will only double the power again. In short, Krauss's maximum power level of 6 times 8 would be 48 at the most. He might or might not be able to win if he repeated that lucky shot a full 20 times. Hohhohohohoho, if you're killed every time you take a hit and your damage still accumulates, let's see, perhaps you might finally win when we get to Episode 24, yes?



...Hey, seriously, what is that *bing*bong* sound?

"Let me bet everything on a single strike... You have no reason to hold back either, goat-kun. Come at me seriously..."
"Hohohoho, he's requesting that you go all out. Smash him with a single serious strike... and turn him into chunks of meat."

As the goat got excited and beat its chest over and over, it took a position as though preparing for a sprint. Hohohohoh, is this what you wanted?



It rang again! What the heck?! It's really starting to get on my nerves!

"Here I go... Ready?"

The goat howled in response. Then, with a matched timing that only the men confronting each other could comprehend, the two leapt forward like bullets shot out of a gun. The men howled, collecting the strength from all over their bodies into one arm each.





















BGM: Dread of the Grave

Loser Flags - A B

"You can't handle that punch, dodge iiiiiiiiiit!!"

It happened the instant before the two crashed and their punches crossed.

"You fool, Virgilia. Looks like you failed to make a calm and rational decision."
"You mustn't take that punch!! Knock it aside!!"
"?!?!"

The very instant the goat's left straight and Krauss's right straight crossed...! The goat obeyed Virgilia's order with super-fast reflexes and pulled his straight back, repelling Krauss's punch!

"...Nng-"



"That was close, if you had taken that punch after tripping so many loser flags, imagine just how great a force it would have been amplified to...!! Come on, from there, smash the completely open right side of his face with a right straight!! What? That promise about fighting with only your left arm?"



"Gyaah, tripped another ooooooone!!"
"I'm disappointed, Virgilia. You really have lost your composure."
"What's that...?! How was I not composed by noticing it beforehand and making him avoid it...?!"
"Wh-Why is that, Kyrie-sama...? If they had crashed like that, wouldn't it have been Krauss's..."
"...Ah, I-I see... even with 20 loser flags, that's not enough!"

Krauss's and the goat's double rush made for times 4. With a miracle as an ally, the firm promise of a critical hit doubled it again for times 8. On top of that, there was an amplification of times 20, equal to the number of loser flags, making for x160.



"That's why I said you weren't composed. It's your blunder. If they had crashed like that, you would have won."
"H-Hohohohoh!! Even if that were so, it all comes to the same thing if this right straight smashes Krauss's head!! Die, Ushiromiya Krauss!!!"
"...Take this, the strongest strike of the boxing world."

After repelling Krauss's right straight, the goat's right straight attacked the right side of Krauss's face, which had been left open... But there, it crossed Krauss's left straight... The two punches crossed, and time stopped as each aimed for the face of the other...

"Ho, hohohoho. To think that it would be timed for a simultaneous strike! But his power level stops at x160, making it 960!! It doesn't reach up to my child's 1000...!"
"...No. Virgilia-san, it's your loss."
"Why?!"
"You made him repel the first cross-counter. Certainly, if another right straight after that were to hit, Krauss-san would probably be in pieces."
"...However, that was crossed... That's no good. Sorry, but this is a complete loss for you and this goat."



And if it's blocked and the right straight hits, then it's a double cross-counter, with 8 times the destructive power. This is also common knowledge in the boxing world. And if that is crossed... Then, by the principle of leverage, the triple cross would multiply the destructive power by 12! This is also painfully common knowledge in the boxing world!! It's even written in a Minmeishobou book!

"...Krauss-san's power level is 6."
"The rushing from both sides is times 4."
"Th-The critical hit is times 8."
"And times 160 for tripping too many loser flags."
"...And times 12 again for the triple cross-counter."
"...T-Times 1920..."



"...This result was brought about by Krauss-san's persistence in not giving up on victory until the end... and your pride. Without either, this strength would not exist... You fought well. You may now fall..."

Nanjo clapped the goat on the shoulder...



As the sparkling drops from the goat's eyes scattered, he bent backwards, and fell on Virgilia.

"Ugyu-!! Heavyyyyyyy, get off meeeeee!"

The goat's massive body was too heavy for the slender Virgilia. She wriggled around with it on top of her, but it didn't look like she'd be able to escape. In that instant, the barrier Virgilia had sealed broke.

"Don't take it personally. It was the principle of leverage that led to your defeat."
"...I wonder how the principle of leverage applied to that counter. It's an eternal mystery."
"Let's escape while we can...!! You take care too, goat-san...!"
"W-Well then, excuse us, Virgilia-sama!"
"...*bow*."
"Waaaaaaaaiiit!! Wait uup!! Get this off meeeeee!! Kiiii---!! Gapgapgapgap!!!"

Ismene
Apr 26, 2012
Pillbug
As you can plainly see, both anime and magic are real!

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
The jury's still out on magic in this thread, but surely we can all agree on the unshakable reality of boxing.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
:rip: Goodbye Goat-kun :rip:

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!

[seinfeld-throws-up-hands-and-leaves.gif]

tiistai posted:

:rip: Goodbye Goat-kun :rip:

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

-Omar Khayyam, circa 1100 (tr. Edward Fitzgerald, 1859)

oath2order
Oct 12, 2013

It's MAGIC. I don't have to explain shit!


If there was ever a time to start watching the videos, it's this update.

idonotlikepeas posted:

[seinfeld-throws-up-hands-and-leaves.gif]


"Peas gazed up at the enormous goat. Four episodes it had taken him to learn what magic was hiding underneath the trollfaces. Oh stubbornness, set free by the sweet loving goat imotou. But it was alright. The struggle was over. He had won the victory over Fruitless Reasoning and Red Truth. He loved Anime."

oath2order fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Feb 28, 2017

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



And thus the story of Ashita no Goat comes to an end.

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Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

We tried to tell you about the magic

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