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Nevvy Z posted:What's the issue with the median income of stanford grads, beyond "This isn't full communism now"? None, I'm just pissed at someone saying "only $150k" because it's demonstrating an out of touchness that was the reason for the 2016 loss. I'm sure Hillary has said "only $150,000" at some point.
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This squabble is pointless, perez, hillary and their centrist lackeys wont even acknowledge you as human if you make under 10mil
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Calibanibal posted:This squabble is pointless, perez, hillary and their centrist lackeys wont even acknowledge you as human if you make under 10mil Yeah which is why those overtime rules that came out of the Obama Dept of labor were focused primarily at millionaires being forced to work overtime without compensation
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Feb 27, 2017 18:55
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When Dems fail in 2018 will the blame be placed on progressives because Perez is you know, progressive?
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Feb 27, 2017 18:55
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gohmak posted:When Dems fail in 2018 will the blame be placed on progressives because Perez is you know, progressive? I mean, Republicans all the way up to and including the White House, as well as known propaganda outlets like WikiLeaks, are attempting to foment leftist rage in the hopes that it will splinter resistance and render Democratic attempts at retaking government this year, next year, and in 2020 ineffectual. So under your hypothetical, as per usual, yes, Democratic factions would blame each other.
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Feb 27, 2017 18:59
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Brainiac Five posted:There are millions of people in Bangladesh poorer than just about every American, so nobody can talk about poverty and the cost of living in America now. Yeah most people here don't give a poo poo about Bangaldeshis. I want you to go to one of the poor people you claim to know and tell them they should be happy that their job is now in Bengaldesh.
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Quorum posted:I mean, Republicans all the way up to and including the White House, as well as known propaganda outlets like WikiLeaks, are attempting to foment leftist rage in the hopes that it will splinter resistance and render Democratic attempts at retaking government this year, next year, and in 2020 ineffectual. So under your hypothetical, as per usual, yes, Democratic factions would blame each other. Don't forget obvious rightwingers in this very thread.
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But don't call it ratfucking, that's beyond the pale.
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Considering that Steve Bannon, chief strategist, is likely a major agent in this strategy, and is also a rat elemental, I would say that ratfucking is the only appropriate kind of loving for this to be.
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JeffersonClay posted:But don't call it ratfucking, that's beyond the pale. Look I support your weird sexual fetish.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:07
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The message people should take from the tea party is: - primary anyone who is too moderate - vote republican regardless in the general People focus on the tea party demanding purity part, but tend to forget that while they may have whined about moderate republicans, they'd still show up and vote straight ticket R.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah most people here don't give a poo poo about Bangaldeshis. I want you to go to one of the poor people you claim to know and tell them they should be happy that their job is now in Bengaldesh. You make it unbelievably clear you don't care about anyone that isn't a white straight braindead man like you every time you set fingers to keys.
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The enemy of the working class is anyone who makes money in the hundreds of thousands and up, as well as the people who don't but are so terrified of change, and that what wealth they have might be at stake, that they continually vote for and even actively encourage democrat non-action/stability.
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gohmak posted:When Dems fail in 2018 will the blame be placed on progressives because Perez is you know, progressive? It will be blamed on whatever convenient scape goat exists in 2018. Since its two years out, hard to say. Gerrymandering could be a go-to. Bernie Bros could be another. It really comes down to what is on the table at the time. As an aside, it really sucks how lovely the only party that is even remotely good in this country really is at their job. The republicans are pure evil and have unity and loyalty that far outweighs our own. It sucks how much pure evil succeeds in this nation.
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Brainiac Five posted:You make it unbelievably clear you don't care about anyone that isn't a white straight braindead man like you every time you set fingers to keys.
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Covok posted:It will be blamed on whatever convenient scape goat exists in 2018. Since its two years out, hard to say. Gerrymandering could be a go-to. Bernie Bros could be another. It really comes down to what is on the table at the time. so progressives. again, why shouldn't the left splinter off? we're being set up to fail by a party that won't give us an ounce of control
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Socialism is about income and not your relationship to the means of production. Under socialism everyone will be part of the working class and have a standard of living identical to someone making 35 grand a year now.
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The left shouldn't splinter off, but you should.
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Covok posted:It will be blamed on whatever convenient scape goat exists in 2018. Since its two years out, hard to say. Gerrymandering could be a go-to. Bernie Bros could be another. It really comes down to what is on the table at the time. gerrymandering isn't a scapegoat. A 10% across the board swing from republicans to democrats would net the democrats 16 additional seats and still be the minority. Best estimates of the number needed for a democratic majority is getting ~55% of the votes, which means outperforming even 2008. Again, gerrymandering has become so significant that a margin of victory that gave the democrats 257 in 2008 would not be enough to get the democrats to 218 in 2018.
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Condiv posted:so progressives. again, why shouldn't the left splinter off? we're being set up to fail by a party that won't give us an ounce of control Because we got the DNC trying to placate us. It means we only need to push harder on the cowardly fucks. Keep taking over local and state parties.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:18
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Nevvy Z posted:I don't think children throwing temper tantrums should be bought the toys they are demanding, but that's just me. This is from some pages back, but it really cuts to the core of where I think a lot of the more anti-leftist/Sanders people are coming from. Despite what they may say, they aren't arguing from a pragmatic perspective. They just feel strong disdain towards those more leftist voters and don't want them to get their way. They see the worst of the opposing side and think "gently caress these guys" and then form their opinions based upon that starting point. It's kind of ironic, because it's the exact same mindset they (rightly) accuse many leftist/Sanders-supporters of having.
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gohmak posted:When Dems fail in 2018 will the blame be placed on progressives because Perez is you know, progressive? of course, liberalism cannot fail it can only be failed
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Why exactly should Democrats give any control to people who are open about their desire to disenfranchise them, boast about their refusal to compromise on anything, and essentially threaten to act just like Republicans? Seems like Democrats would have to be really stupid to give Bernie-or-Busters any leverage whatsoever.
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Brainiac Five posted:Why exactly should Democrats give any control to people who are open about their desire to disenfranchise them, boast about their refusal to compromise on anything, and essentially threaten to act just like Republicans? Seems like Democrats would have to be really stupid to give Bernie-or-Busters any leverage whatsoever. Who here advocated disenfranchising anyone? Well besides myself advocating that all ancaps, nazis and wahabis be gulaged for public safety reasons.
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Brainiac Five posted:Why exactly should Democrats give any control to people who are open about their desire to disenfranchise them, boast about their refusal to compromise on anything, and essentially threaten to act just like Republicans? Seems like Democrats would have to be really stupid to give Bernie-or-Busters any leverage whatsoever. These reactions are because of the refusal to cooperate, though. It's a self-reinforcing cycle.
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Covok posted:So, dudes, how are dems taking Perez now that some time has passed? Did we lose the young people and have to win them back again? People are calming down, partly because Perez is saying okay things and partly because the grassroots movement is already way out in front of the DNC working to get people into elected offices.
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SKULL.GIF posted:These reactions are because of the refusal to cooperate, though. It's a self-reinforcing cycle. Okay, so you guys have no control over your actions then? Seems like it'd be even stupider to give you power.
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Brainiac Five posted:Why exactly should Democrats give any control to people who are open about their desire to disenfranchise them, boast about their refusal to compromise on anything, and essentially threaten to act just like Republicans? Seems like Democrats would have to be really stupid to give Bernie-or-Busters any leverage whatsoever. Because they lost.
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Ytlaya posted:This is from some pages back, but it really cuts to the core of where I think a lot of the more anti-leftist/Sanders people are coming from. Despite what they may say, they aren't arguing from a pragmatic perspective. They just feel strong disdain towards those more leftist voters and don't want them to get their way. They see the worst of the opposing side and think "gently caress these guys" and then form their opinions based upon that starting point. No, it's centrists who are idealistic by not seeing that 40 years of 'compromise' to the corporate sector has wrecked havoc on labor and social mobility. Your ideas have failed, it's time for their proponents to step aside and let someone different try something new. First step towards pragmatist: recognizing that third-way liberalism is at it's death throws. Failing this, that means you simply do not want change when it occuring is essencial to save something of the very liberal values you claim to protect, and as such you are for all for all intents and purposes, conservatives, unconsciously or consciously trying protect some failed ideology, only because it is more familiar to you.
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Ytlaya posted:This is from some pages back, but it really cuts to the core of where I think a lot of the more anti-leftist/Sanders people are coming from. Despite what they may say, they aren't arguing from a pragmatic perspective. They just feel strong disdain towards those more leftist voters and don't want them to get their way. They see the worst of the opposing side and think "gently caress these guys" and then form their opinions based upon that starting point. The large majority of leftists/sanders people are great and the democrats are lucky to have them. There's a small minority of these groups that are actively harmful; if these people decided to gently caress off we'd probably be better off. This second group is highly correlated with people who cant stop talking about the horrible corporatist democrats, who think Wikileaks is doing us a favor by publicizing the truth, and who keep encouraging other democrats to leave the party.
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Fados posted:No, it's centrists who are idealistic by not seeing that 40 years of 'compromise' to the corporate sector has wrecked havoc on labor and social mobility. Your ideas have failed, it's time for their proponents to step aside and let someone different try something new. First step towards pragmatist: recognizing that third-way liberalism is at it's death throws. Failing this, that means you simply do not want change when it occuring is essencial to save something of the very liberal values you claim to protect, and as such you are for all for all intents and purposes, conservatives, unconsciously or consciously trying protect some failed ideology, only because it is more familiar to you. Take a moment to actually read the post you're replying to, you loving halfwit.
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WampaLord posted:Because they lost. Democrats lost an election and now all Democrats who didn't kiss the ring must be silenced? Are you for loving real?
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Brainiac Five posted:Democrats lost an election and now all Democrats who didn't kiss the ring must be silenced? Are you for loving real? What does "kiss the ring" mean to you in this scenario? Because to me it means "Listen to Bernie about what to do."
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JeffersonClay posted:who think Wikileaks is doing us a favor by publicizing the truth
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WampaLord posted:What does "kiss the ring" mean to you in this scenario? Dude, demanding that all dissenting voices be silenced on that issue is morally unconscionable, leaving aside how stupid and cultish it is. Why do you guys love to present yourself as cartoonishly evil?
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gohmak posted:When Dems fail in 2018 will the blame be placed on progressives because Perez is you know, progressive? Perez's first act was to make noted anarchist Keith Ellison his deputy. Of course it's his fault. Tom's far, far too radical. Only a Kaine/DWS unity ticket can bring the party back together.
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WampaLord posted:What does "kiss the ring" mean to you in this scenario? Bernie's message works in New England but the question is whether it can cover the entire country. Perez and Ellison are better people to look to for this.
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Oxxidation posted:Take a moment to actually read the post you're replying to, you loving halfwit. Yeah lol, sorry, just change the first word from "No", to "Yes", and problem solved.
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Brainiac Five posted:Dude, demanding that all dissenting voices be silenced on that issue is morally unconscionable, leaving aside how stupid and cultish it is. Why do you guys love to present yourself as cartoonishly evil? You moved really quickly from "give any power" to "silence all dissent" when all I said was "Listen to advice."
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