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Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



Gato posted:

That's the thing though, I've always assumed most of that obsession is down to the character writing rather than the poorly animated jimmy rustling itself. Maybe I'm just being naive.

that theory seems to make sense only up until the point where you read a single sentence penned by any bioware writer

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Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Cowcaster posted:

i dunno man in this day in age i've seen otherwise normal people and even people who don't play videogames going crazy go nuts over the relationships in bioware rpgs to the exclusion of just about everything else, kind of how there's an entire community of overwatch fan artists who've never even installed the game (or even know that there is one?). i think bioware prioritizing hot alien jimmy rustling in their mass effect is just them following the money.

It is and hopefully it doesn't lead to a weaker game, but who knows at this point. Maybe the romances will be super good and clearly organic and not at all fan service but based on those "joke" tweets I'm leaning towards no.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Like sometimes I listen to the Bioware team talk and I'm reminded of how anime got creepier and creepier as a rule over the years due to chasing the dollars of hardcore basement dwelling otaku who drop 200 bucks at a time on figurines and what the gently caress ever, and now it's almost impossible to genuinely recommend a given show without heavy qualifiers about <insert creepy bullshit here> you have to ignore to actually get to the good parts.

I feel like I'm watching that happen in slow motion with Bioware.

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Captain Oblivious posted:

Like sometimes I listen to the Bioware team talk and I'm reminded of how anime got creepier and creepier as a rule over the years due to chasing the dollars of hardcore basement dwelling otaku who drop 200 bucks at a time on figurines and what the gently caress ever, and now it's almost impossible to genuinely recommend a given show without heavy qualifiers about <insert creepy bullshit here> you have to ignore to actually get to the good parts.

I feel like I'm watching that happen in slow motion with Bioware.

As much as I don't care you're 100% correct. It also went from somewhere between hard and soft sci-fi into deep space opera fantasy. Tbh I was surprised you didn't get a laser sword at some point

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Glenn Quebec posted:

As much as I don't care you're 100% correct. It also went from somewhere between hard and soft sci-fi into deep space opera fantasy. Tbh I was surprised you didn't get a laser sword at some point

You have an energy sword, does that count?

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

Captain Oblivious posted:

Like sometimes I listen to the Bioware team talk and I'm reminded of how anime got creepier and creepier as a rule over the years due to chasing the dollars of hardcore basement dwelling otaku who drop 200 bucks at a time on figurines and what the gently caress ever, and now it's almost impossible to genuinely recommend a given show without heavy qualifiers about <insert creepy bullshit here> you have to ignore to actually get to the good parts.

I feel like I'm watching that happen in slow motion with Bioware.
Anime has always been that way

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Captain Oblivious posted:

Like sometimes I listen to the Bioware team talk and I'm reminded of how anime got creepier and creepier as a rule over the years due to chasing the dollars of hardcore basement dwelling otaku who drop 200 bucks at a time on figurines and what the gently caress ever, and now it's almost impossible to genuinely recommend a given show without heavy qualifiers about <insert creepy bullshit here> you have to ignore to actually get to the good parts.

I feel like I'm watching that happen in slow motion with Bioware.

Yuri on Ice is a really good anime.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010
I'm upset at the fact that the mass effect series, a video game series whose entire mission statement is to jerk off the player as much as possible, is jerking off the player.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


I am cautiously optimistic that even though bioware is catering increasingly to the squeeingest part of their fan base, they're not going to completely forget to make a video game about flying around in space and shooting aliens, too

I liked the original trilogy (even three, suck my dick) so this next one will probably, PROBABLY, be at least a little bit fun to play in between the fan service

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Cowcaster posted:

that theory seems to make sense only up until the point where you read a single sentence penned by any bioware writer

Their sex scenes have actually been getting tamer from the first mass effect/dragon age. Inquisition did not even have sex scenes and just faded to black, don't remember mass effect 3 but even 2 just had those fully clothed make out sessions.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)

Captain Oblivious posted:

Like sometimes I listen to the Bioware team talk and I'm reminded of how anime got creepier and creepier as a rule over the years due to chasing the dollars of hardcore basement dwelling otaku who drop 200 bucks at a time on figurines and what the gently caress ever, and now it's almost impossible to genuinely recommend a given show without heavy qualifiers about <insert creepy bullshit here> you have to ignore to actually get to the good parts.

I feel like I'm watching that happen in slow motion with Bioware.

anime has always been insanely lame creepy poo poo, with the only exception being dragonball z

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

If we ever meet aliens in real life I'm going to be really conflicted because XCOM taught me to murder all aliens, but Mass Effect taught me to bang all aliens instead. Halo taught me to murder aliens then crouch up and down on top of them though so that's probably a good balance.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

RBA Starblade posted:

If we ever meet aliens in real life I'm going to be really conflicted because XCOM taught me to murder all aliens, but Mass Effect taught me to bang all aliens instead. Halo taught me to murder aliens then crouch up and down on top of them though so that's probably a good balance.

Halo also taught you to team up with the aliens that have sexy voices


Clearly the message is to kill all ugly aliens


because if it's ugly it can't be a good guy right

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Avalerion posted:

Their sex scenes have actually been getting tamer from the first mass effect/dragon age. Inquisition did not even have sex scenes and just faded to black, don't remember mass effect 3 but even 2 just had those fully clothed make out sessions.

inquisition had titties in it

Monolith.
Jan 28, 2011

To save the world from the expanding Zone.

Lt. Danger posted:

It would also be extremely creepy if posters described in detail how much they enjoyed hurting aliens and mercenaries and how much they are looking forward to discovering new kinds of bad guys to maim and kill.

The combat looks hella tight and I can't wait to get cool guns to shoot the hell out of bad people. I might even get more excited to blast them with my squad too.

I'm even gonna play the multiplayer and kill even more things they throw at me! I might even laugh while I cause tech and biotic explosions.

Mymla
Aug 12, 2010

Avalerion posted:

Their sex scenes have actually been getting tamer from the first mass effect/dragon age. Inquisition did not even have sex scenes and just faded to black, don't remember mass effect 3 but even 2 just had those fully clothed make out sessions.

:nws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onrkOqwPxbg

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Hey guys remember the official Bioware forums

good times, right? Good times...

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


You're on them right now.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Yeeesh, that dialog of Sera's is rough. It's like you're reading a page of tweets but left out the last five or six words of each.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
More bromance, less romance. I want a squad of six Turians and they're all named Garrus. Is that a mass effect generator in that espresso machine? It drat well will be, soldier! Meet me in the docking bay at 6, we're going to wrestle, but not in that way. Well, maybe in that way. Half and half.

TEENAGE WITCH
Jul 20, 2008

NAH LAD
lmao if u can't feel an emotional connection 2 art*

*bioware thots

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012


Yea, and tits aside, it fades to black for the sex and focuses on the characters talking to each other. Origins instead showed characters actually humping while cheesy porn music plays.

DoggPickle
Jan 16, 2004

LAFFO
Sorry that I poo poo up the thread a bit by thinking that mega-rich people would absolutely fund space exploration instead of talking about the fuckable aliens.

I just finished my WAY later 3rd play-through of ME2 and I was really struck by how all the loyalty missions were based on family. Tali's dad. Jacob's dad. Fish-faces' son. Miranda's sister. Samara's daughter. Only Jack and Garris really have non-family missions. OH there's the Salarian dude who's work-friend goes bonkers but he also does that hilarious Gilbert and Sullivan song and it's all good. :dance:

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Mass Effect 2 is the Fast & The Furious of video games.

Family. Family. Family.

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed
One thing I'm really looking forward to this time is the high possibility of the main character having to work out some daddy issues. Shepard never got in on the fun, if your mom was still alive in the original trilogy she was just proud of you.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
This is the first I'm hearing of being able to get any kind of message from Shepard's mom :psyduck:

Is it just an email? It has to be just an email, right?

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Only with the spacer background, and yea I think you get to call her. Edit: Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1LRGMveqXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRougenX_pA

A Game of Chess
Nov 6, 2004

not as good as Turgenev
You can call her but you have to have the spacer background.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Don't you forget to call her to tell her you're not actually dead in ME2?

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!

precision posted:

More bromance, less romance. I want a squad of six Turians and they're all named Garrus. Is that a mass effect generator in that espresso machine? It drat well will be, soldier! Meet me in the docking bay at 6, we're going to wrestle, but not in that way. Well, maybe in that way. Half and half.

Basic Chunnel posted:

I would like my games to feature characters of real depth, and real human relationships. Real romance constitutes reverence for the code of the Bushido and formal respect between followers of the code of the Bushido, through which they demonstrate their deep love for the ideals of honor and duty, which are central to the code of the Bushido.

Whenever anyone thinks of a woman or sex, characters should shake their head silently at one another until the thought passes, to be replaced by thoughts of honor, duty, and the noble sacrifices made in the pursuit of said.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

katkillad2 posted:

Lol if you're not sticking your dick in everything with a hole while in space and discovering new life forms, I'm all about that space strange.

"Legion, why did you have sex with every single thing on that planet?"

"... there was a hole."

Phantom Star
Feb 16, 2005

For awhile, I had thought they were getting better with relationships due to my experience with DA:I. In my game I attempted to romance the diplomat lady in the Inquisition. It was going well at first, but then there was another suitor from her home country that had dealings with her family. I ended up challenging him to a duel, but before it could pop off, she caught us and privately admonished me for making the position of Inquisitor look bad. I apologized and agreed to keep things professional and realized the position I held was too important, and I didn't really have the time for matters of the heart. Guess that wasn't the standard experience lol

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

As I recall, Earthborn Shep's parents were simply not present, like they gave her up for adoption or were deadbeats so she was raised on the streets, while Colonist Shep's parents all died in a slaver raid. Spacer Shep got to grow up normally, but Dad is conspicuously absent, and you only ever speak to your mother, who is never shown.

Dr. Abysmal
Feb 17, 2010

We're all doomed
In the second game you just get an email from her where she's mad that you didn't call her to tell her you were alive and she found out from the news

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

WillyTheNewGuy posted:

For awhile, I had thought they were getting better with relationships due to my experience with DA:I. In my game I attempted to romance the diplomat lady in the Inquisition. It was going well at first, but then there was another suitor from her home country that had dealings with her family. I ended up challenging him to a duel, but before it could pop off, she caught us and privately admonished me for making the position of Inquisitor look bad. I apologized and agreed to keep things professional and realized the position I held was too important, and I didn't really have the time for matters of the heart. Guess that wasn't the standard experience lol

To be serious for one post, Jospehine's romance in DA:I (and to a lesser extent Dorian's) were actually well-written.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

marshmallow creep posted:

As I recall, Earthborn Shep's parents were simply not present, like they gave her up for adoption or were deadbeats so she was raised on the streets, while Colonist Shep's parents all died in a slaver raid. Spacer Shep got to grow up normally, but Dad is conspicuously absent, and you only ever speak to your mother, who is never shown.

Shepard's mom is a VI or just some actress because Shepard didn't exist until the beginning of ME2. All of ME1 was a false flag operation. WAKE UP, JOIN CERBERUS.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


almost correct, shepard dies at the start of me2, the rest of the series follows the adventures of a soulless facsimile

DoggPickle
Jan 16, 2004

LAFFO
I'm like such a nice person that I can't even be a dick in a videogame. Is that weird?

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

marshmallow creep posted:

As I recall, Earthborn Shep's parents were simply not present, like they gave her up for adoption or were deadbeats so she was raised on the streets, while Colonist Shep's parents all died in a slaver raid. Spacer Shep got to grow up normally, but Dad is conspicuously absent, and you only ever speak to your mother, who is never shown.

I believe Hacket mentions that he makes a special note to make sure that Shepmom's ship is placed under his command.

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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

DoggPickle posted:

I'm like such a nice person that I can't even be a dick in a videogame. Is that weird?

If you've never done a full trilogy Female Renegade Space Racist playthrough you are missing out on literally 90% of the best dialogue in the entire franchise.

The other 10%, by the way, is Mordin, Garrus and TIM.

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