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Brainiac Five posted:It is. You either are anti-women or you are not. There is no way to be both simultaneously so you can attract and welcome he-man woman-haters without becoming unashamedly evil. if the liberals in weimar germany could have prevented hitler's rise by attracting misogynist voters do you think they should have or not?
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icantfindaname posted:hrm. if someone held a gun to a woman's head and said if you didn't say the word 'oval office' he'd pull the trigger, would it be possible to say it without being a misogynist? I don't think it's useful to construct scenarios where it's ok to use language that is otherwise demeaning for the sake of it, honestly. There are plenty of mean and appropriate words to call Henry Kissinger that aren't gendered, besides.
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icantfindaname posted:hrm. if someone held a gun to a woman's head and said if you didn't say the word 'oval office' he'd pull the trigger, would it be possible to say it without being a misogynist? A very contrived scenario so you can say slurs without feeling a frisson of remorse. Not surprised Bernouts love slurs though. Not surprised at all.
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I keep forgetting that centrists are cool with imperialism.
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icantfindaname posted:I agree? I think it was an attempt to upset me. Apparently I'm supposed to like Churchill?
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Brainiac Five posted:A very contrived scenario so you can say slurs without feeling a frisson of remorse. Not surprised Bernouts love slurs though. Not surprised at all. are you mad at the actual oval office word or that he called hrc a oval office? In years of your vapid meaningless posting I've never quite seen you flash boil this quickly.
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Brainiac Five posted:A very contrived scenario so you can say slurs without feeling a frisson of remorse. Not surprised Bernouts love slurs though. Not surprised at all. you didn't answer the question
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Feb 27, 2017 21:50
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TheRat posted:I think it was an attempt to upset me. Apparently I'm supposed to like Churchill? Hey, I like Churchill, for all his terrible flaws. Come fite me.
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icantfindaname posted:if the liberals in weimar germany could have prevented hitler's rise by attracting misogynist voters do you think they should have or not? If the moon was made of green cheese, would you eat a slice?
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icantfindaname posted:remember nobody used a gendered insult for kissinger except braniac here, in a hypothetical scenario he constructed out of whole cloth Actually, in fairness, TheRat did first. I don't think it really matters and is a derail anyway, actually I somewhat question whether or not this thread should even continue or if we should make a new thread and OP centered on the continuing efforts to reform the DNC rather than an election that is now over.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:51
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A oval office, kissinger, trump. Kill one, kiss one, marry one. Go
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icantfindaname posted:remember nobody used a gendered insult for kissinger except braniac here, in a hypothetical scenario he constructed out of whole cloth no actually somebody did call Kissinger a thundercunt and it made B5 go off on how imperialism can be admirable.
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Brainiac Five posted:If the moon was made of green cheese, would you eat a slice? im british so its okay to say that i think you're a bit of a oval office tbh
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The Ender posted:Hey, I like Churchill, for all his terrible flaws. Mnoba posted:are you mad at the actual oval office word or that he called hrc a oval office? In years of your vapid meaningless posting I've never quite seen you flash boil this quickly. Allright, let's be clear. I called Kissinger a oval office. Not HRC.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:53
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icantfindaname posted:if the liberals in weimar germany could have prevented hitler's rise by attracting misogynist voters do you think they should have or not? This is the dumbest thing I've read today. TheRat posted:Allright, let's be clear. I called Kissinger a oval office. Not HRC. Better idea, don't call anyone that.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:59
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TheRat posted:I shall go on to the end. I shall fight in France, I shall fight on the seas and oceans, I shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, I shall defend my post, whatever the cost may be. I shall fight on the beaches, I shall fight on the landing grounds, I shall fight in the fields and in the streets, I shall fight in the hills; I shall never surrender I love that it took a violent, angry & racist drunk to finally draw the line and throw down with the fascist powers. The moneyed anti-Semitic aristocrats were far too busy fanning themselves over THE ECONOMY! and wringing their hands to worry about some piddly pogroms against the Jews or imperialist expansion of an industrial war machine. I feel like there should be some contemporarily relevant lesson to learn here... but probably not. We're just lucky we had an angry drunk with a bunch of Lancaster bombers on our team.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:00
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Better idea, don't call anyone that. I'll stop saying 'oval office' when the Dems stop idolising war criminals. Sound like a fair deal?
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Feb 27, 2017 22:03
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ZyrKx posted:im british so its okay to say that i think you're a bit of a oval office tbh Well, yes, I could tell you were a degraded Eloi like all English people just from your posts, you didn't need to clarify.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:03
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is the dumbest thing I've read today. you must have braniac on ignore then?
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If ur saying perez/clinton/obama is chamberlain and bernie/ellison is churchill ur 100% correct
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Feb 27, 2017 22:04
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TheRat posted:I'll stop saying 'oval office' when the Dems stop idolising war criminals. Sound like a fair deal? Boy howdy this is woke af. Instead of using a gendered slur, why not just call him what he is? A vile piece of human trash war-criminal who, in a just world, would be thrown into prison.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:05
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the dnc chair is so symoblic that centists didn't want ellison to have it cause they were afraid he'd push the party too far left https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/836271832185593856?ref_src=tw of course the centrists in thread were wrong about the DNC chair position not mattering, and also wrong about this not being a rejection of the left by the dem party
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Feb 27, 2017 22:07
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The Kissinger/oval office debate is like a microcosm of the Radleft vs. Idpol struggle. On one hand you have a war criminal responsible for overthrowing democracies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent PoC. On the other hand- somebody used a rude word to describe the aforementioned war criminal.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:08
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Brainiac Five posted:And yet y'all pretend they don't exist until someone points out their existence and then you scramble to pretend you meant them all along, that De-loving-troit is rural in your eyes. Uhuh says the person celebrating that all those people don't have jobs due to outsourcing.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:09
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The Kingfish posted:The Kissinger/oval office debate is like a microcosm of the Radleft vs. Idpol struggle. On one hand you have a war criminal responsible for overthrowing democracies and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent PoCs. On the other hand is somebody used a rude word to describe the aforementioned war criminal. There's plenty of ways to describe him without using gendered slurs, dude.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:10
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's plenty of ways to describe him without using gendered slurs, dude. liberalism.txt
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Feb 27, 2017 22:12
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's plenty of ways to describe him without using gendered slurs, dude. But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't!
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Feb 27, 2017 22:13
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:There's plenty of ways to describe him without using gendered slurs, dude.
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The Kingfish posted:But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't! This is actually just you having very little ability to parse things. One can totally loving loathe Kissinger, and also think it's stupid to not use gendered slurs to describe him. What a novel loving concept. TheRat posted:liberalism.txt God, I'd hate to trouble myself to describe a literal warcriminal without using a gross gendered slur. The loving horror.
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The Kingfish posted:But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't! Praising Kissinger in itself is a less harmful act than using the word "oval office". Let's pretend people were calling him the "N" word, would you make the same argument? Crowsbeak posted:He is a murderous motherfucker. Also am I kink shaming? Freudian motherlust isn't a kink.
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TheRat posted:liberalism.txt i think the centrist rear end-kissers in this thread are loving idiots actively weakening the party but that's not wrong. equating praising an imperialist with saying a gendered slur is pretty dumb but it doesn't need to be defended.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:17
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is actually just you having very little ability to parse things. One can totally loving loathe Kissinger, and also think it's stupid to not use gendered slurs to describe him. What a novel loving concept. But that is specifically not what happened in the last page of the thread. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about these posts: The Kingfish posted:You think saying 'oval office' is more offensive than praising Henry Kissinger. Brainiac Five posted:It is. It's possible to admire Kissinger in the way you'd admire Richelieu or Talleyrand or Pope Alexander, but it's not possible to use c*** without being a misogynist or a Brit or a loving idiot.
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Quote is not edit. False dichotomy! Kissinger is terrible!
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The Kingfish posted:But that is specifically not what happened in the last page of the thread. I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about these posts: That's again, not what he's saying.
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The Kingfish posted:But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't! Okay; at the same time, one could just call Kissinger an rear end in a top hat & genocidal madman and leave it there. Like, if someone says that they are offended by gendered slurs, why insist on using them when there are a wide range of ways to describe someone like Kissinger? What's the point of that? I don't see how this kind of intentional face-slapping & purity testing is better than the Democrats giving the left the finger for the sake of doing so - both are just acts of lovely smugness, at best, that burn through political capital & destroy bridges for absolutely no gain.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:19
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Nevvy Z posted:Praising Kissinger in itself is a less harmful act than using the word "oval office". lol
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Feb 27, 2017 22:19
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hey, rabid hrc defenders using identity politics are hijacking the thread just like they used them to hijack the primary!
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Mnoba posted:hey, rabid hrc defenders using identity politics are hijacking the thread just like they used them to hijack the primary! Hijacking the thread away from what, exactly?
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you can address workers rights without abandoning """identity politics""" (civil rights), they are not mutually exclusive. socialism is for everyone.
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