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Cursing and war crimes are both bad enough i dont see the point in ranking them. Like, just dont do either??
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The Kingfish posted:But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't! Kingfish get a platinum upgrade so I can pm you.
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Calibanibal posted:Cursing and war crimes are both bad enough i dont see the point in ranking them. Like, just dont do either?? But if I don't rank one over the other then how can I claim the intellectual high ground? : (
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Feb 27, 2017 22:25
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The Ender posted:But if I don't rank one over the other then how can I claim the intellectual high ground? : ( I think you might have gotten ironied on??
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Feb 27, 2017 22:26
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The Kingfish posted:But the point is that people like B5 are MORE offended by 'oval office' than the literal mass murderer. They will apologize for someone who prasies Kissinger and attack somebody who uses 'oval office'. Brutal imperialism is acceptable but the rude word isn't! Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:26
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Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. Legitimizing war criminals is not harmful at all. Right.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:27
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Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. I think that it is just as harmful if not more harmful than using a gendered slur.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:28
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Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. Uh. Does that work with anyone who's bad? I am suddenly tempted to Godwin.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:28
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Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. hmmm
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Feb 27, 2017 22:30
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Also no one in this thread was praising kissinger, afaik. They were accused of being more offended of the one thing than the other, which is a stupid. Because you can't prove it, and you can't prove the moral virtue of one or the other, it's a stupid excuse to take potshots at B5 instead of just not calling people cunts.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:31
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Is saying that a certain dictator of Germany did nothing wrong not in any way harmful?
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Nevvy Z posted:Frieza is bad. Praising Frieza is foolish, but not inherently harmful. Uhhhhh
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Feb 27, 2017 22:32
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Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. Good grief.
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Crowsbeak posted:Is saying that a certain dictator of Germany did nothing wrong not in any way harmful? Depends on who you say it too. Obviously some people's feelings would be very hurt. Shia Lebouf should not be punished for shoving that guy. But he also shouldn't call that guy a "oval office".
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Feb 27, 2017 22:33
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Nevvy Z posted:Depends on who you say it too. Obviously some people's feelings would be very hurt. Shia Lebouf should not be punished for shoving that guy. But he also shouldn't call that guy a "oval office". What if we're offended for basic human decency reasons of someone praising a ghoul like Kissinger?
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Feb 27, 2017 22:36
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Nevvy Z posted:Depends on who you say it too. Obviously some people's feelings would be very hurt. Shia Lebouf should not be punished for shoving that guy. But he also shouldn't call that guy a "oval office". i think the idea is that normalizing mass murder and genocide is bad because it will lead to more of them in the future, and that hurt feelings are a lot less bad than even a slightly increased chance of genocide and mass murder the word oval office normalizes misogyny and violence against women, so that's a valid argument. but you cited 'hurt feelings' instead of that so
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Feb 27, 2017 22:36
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Nevvy Z posted:Depends on who you say it too. Obviously some people's feelings would be very hurt. Shia Lebouf should not be punished for shoving that guy. But he also shouldn't call that guy a "oval office". Yeah. 'Adolf Hitler is my idol.' I'm sure that would've gone down really well. I'm sure that there would have been no incredible backlash to that statement at all. It really depends.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:37
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Yeah, I know, I heard all that when kissinger was praised. That was a long time ago, not sure why you guys are harping about it.
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icantfindaname posted:i think the idea is that normalizing mass murder and genocide is bad because it will lead to more of them in the future, and that hurt feelings are a lot less bad than even a slightly increased chance of genocide and mass murder Using gendered slurs also perpetuates and furthers patriarchal horseshit when you just don't need to do it.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:37
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Using gendered slurs also perpetuates and furthers patriarchal horseshit when you just don't need to do it. But HRC did a bad thing
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Feb 27, 2017 22:38
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Nevvy Z posted:But HRC did a bad thing 8 months ago! And she did do a bad thing! I agree.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:39
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Meanwhile no one in this thread has praised Henry Kissinger but it's very important we all say "oval office" because a politician did a bad thing once.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:39
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Clinton is as evil as kissinger but more dangerous because she isnt universally recognized as a monster (yet)
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Feb 27, 2017 22:41
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah, I know, I heard all that when kissinger was praised. That was a long time ago, not sure why you guys are harping about it. Because I pointed out how weird it is that liberals tell me to get over the fact that last year HRC said she idealizes a war criminal. E: Like, its telling that you think this isn't the sort of thing that we should be "harping" about. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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Feb 27, 2017 22:45
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There are reasons for people to praise Kissinger like you could praise any other monster in history, without them praising their monstrous acts directly. There is no reason to use misogynistic slurs, or any slur, without contriving elaborate thought experiments designed to legitimize the use of that slur, just like praising Kissinger legitimizes his actions indirectly. Calling refraining from slurs "identity politics" merely reemphasizes how many Bernouts are racist and sexist.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:47
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Well, it's not relevant to anything. Please do remind me of it if she tries to run in 2020. God forbid.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:47
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Brainiac Five posted:There are reasons for people to praise Kissinger nope
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TheRat posted:nope Why aren't you going after the guy who praised another genocidaire with as much vigor? Is it because you don't care about Kissinger except as a way to ineffectually beat up on people?
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Feb 27, 2017 22:49
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Lets compromise for once, and agree that praising war criminals and using gendered slurs are both morally dubious acts???? Drop the purity tests, for once?? Come on yall
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effectronica admires pope alexander for banging lots of kiddiesBrainiac Five posted:It is. It's possible to admire Kissinger in the way you'd admire Richelieu or Talleyrand or Pope Alexander, but it's not possible to use c*** without being a misogynist or a Brit or a loving idiot.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:50
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Brainiac Five posted:Why aren't you going after the guy who praised another genocidaire with as much vigor? Who?
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Is it because you don't care about [X] except as a way to ineffectually beat up on people?
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Nevvy Z posted:Well, it's not relevant to anything. I think the problem is less about Clinton being around for another run and more that people as incisive, witty & worldly as yourself tend to fill the ranks of those who feel it is their title to captain the ship of the DNC.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:51
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icantfindaname posted:effectronica admires pope alexander for banging lots of kiddies jesus christ
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The Kingfish posted:Because I pointed out how weird it is that liberals tell me to get over the fact that last year HRC said she idealizes a war criminal. Both Hillary and Bernie said they idealized war criminals, and you got over it with Bernie. I don't think anyone expects you to stop harping about stupid poo poo but don't expect us to take any of it very seriously.
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icantfindaname posted:effectronica admires pope alexander for banging lots of kiddies you should project less imo
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The Ender posted:I think the problem is less about Clinton being around for another run and more that people as incisive, witty & worldly as yourself tend to fill the ranks of those who feel it is their title to captain the ship of the DNC. Not seeing a problem.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:53
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TheRat posted:Who? The guy who said he admired Churchill. Why aren't you calling him a pedophile and a mass-murder apologist?
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I take u seriously, the kingfisher
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The Kingfish posted:I keep forgetting that centrists are cool with imperialism. It's an easy thing to fall into, speaking from experience. Nevvy Z posted:Kissinger is bad. Praising Kissinger is foolish, but not inherently harmful. My god, lol
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