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signalnoise posted:Why are there so many raiders in this match that you say is all about skillz    Low level, level 0 gear, managed to best people 7 times despite them having higher gear than me (me and that conqueror fought once but he ran from the fight and we didn't fight against each other the rest of the game cause he hung around B a lot). Never said it's all about skillz, I'm saying you can still have fun and help your team win a game even if you have poo poo items, whilst also saying that prestige level / gear level isn't indicative of skill.
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Loopoo posted:
Yeah, if you're a loving nobushi fighting some of the slowest classes in the drat game
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Xeremides posted:He isn't arguing that it's unwinnable. He's saying it skews the balance in favor of the person with better gear. Captain Oblivious posted:Guy you're kind of dumb so I'll lay it out in really simple terms: I don't think so, Tim.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:13
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They having another 1v1 tourny right now. https://www.twitch.tv/dmbrandon I only saw one match so far and it was terrible boring trash. Conq vs Warlord and it was literally four rounds of shield bash/headbutt spam with no variation.. Hopefully the next one is better.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:14
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Gear doesn't mean poo poo unless it's a class with full revenge gain gear that gets hit twice then revenges and locks you in an infinite shove/headbutt/shieldbash/whatever chain until you die Seriously gently caress off with your anecdotal "I WON AGAINST SUPERIOR GEAR SO GEAR IS FINE". Even if you can win around it it's still anti-fun as gently caress for people who want a somewhat competitive environment. Even though it might fracture the playerbase having the ability to mark it as a preferred game mode in 4v4s would be great. Yeah you might still fall into a gear active 4v4 but that's why there's no leaver penalty so 
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signalnoise posted:Yeah, if you're a loving nobushi fighting some of the slowest classes in the drat game B-but their gear levels, their prestige levels, their revenge spam!! My Kensei game, he's a fat fucker. How come I did well against Orochi and PK? The two most annoying classes in the game? You can still have fun and win games in 4v4 even if the other team has much better gear and levels.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:16
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fadam posted:I don't think so, Tim. You just said it's impossible to have two players of equal skill fight each other, so if you're going to try to use that example to defeat his claim, you also have to admit that in his scenario, the guy with better gear wins because he's fighting himself.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Here, let me put it another way for your dull and unimaginative little brain. Wow you come off as a total rear end in a top hat. I hope I can cliff you in a game soon.
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Haroshia posted:Gear doesn't mean poo poo unless it's a class with full revenge gain gear that gets hit twice then revenges and locks you in an infinite shove/headbutt/shieldbash/whatever chain until you die I have revenge gain on injury and block maxed on Warlord and in a 1v1 it takes way more than 2 blocked hits to get revenge mode.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:18
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Captain O is a Jerk. That's all I've learned recently.
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Captain Oblivious posted:When people really like a game, they start to become invested in the idea of that game being good as part of their identity. This can turn a smart person very loving stupid. See the launch/beta (demo) Simcity 4 thread for an example.
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Xeremides posted:You just said it's impossible to have two players of equal skill fight each other, so if you're going to try to use that example to defeat his claim, you also have to admit that in his scenario, the guy with better gear wins because he's fighting himself. I'm using that as an example for morons in this thread saying that someone with better gear is automatically unbeatable. Obviously they're at a big advantage, but until you're literally playing perfectly and still losing to people in better gear there are things you can do about it that don't involve being a crybaby bitch on the SA forums.
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I also love the "I'm having fun so the game is fine" argument. It's cool that you're enjoying it. Keep playing it. Don't try to use it as a point in discussions of mechanics. The game has some issues that need clarification on if they're working as intended, and fixes if they're not. This will require Ubisoft's support on the game. Saying "WELL I'M HAVING FUN AND I'M WINNING DESPITE THESE ISSUES" adds nothing.
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Captain Oblivious is indeed kind of a douche but he's a douche who happens to be 100% correct in this instance. e: actually I might be thinking of Invictus idk I can never remember which Captain is which. He's definitely correct though.
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fadam posted:I have revenge gain on injury and block maxed on Warlord and in a 1v1 it takes way more than 2 blocked hits to get revenge mode. Okay.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:22
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fadam posted:Obviously they're at a big advantage The end.
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Haroshia posted:I also love the "I'm having fun so the game is fine" argument. It's cool that you're enjoying it. Keep playing it. Don't try to use it as a point in discussions of mechanics. Coming from a thread filled with crybabies who moaned about PK getting her poo poo fixed?? "Wow why buff PK she's already too OP!" gently caress off. Her light attacks consistently missed cause it'd never engage properly after parries. I've killed so many PK because of that poo poo, and I always feel bad for them. Parrying an enemy and then being punished by swinging at air isn't fair, and I'm glad Ubi fixed her poo poo despite the fact I never play PK. But even I can see that was a broken as gently caress mechanic. Like when you parry someone as Valk and have to jump attack to even hit them, that's bullshit.
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Feb 28, 2017 02:26
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Giving up on things that are hard is a really good attitude to have.
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Just to nitpick, the revenge gain isnt the huge deciding factor ever. It's the debuff resistance and bonus damage.
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Loopoo posted:Coming from a thread filled with crybabies who moaned about PK getting her poo poo fixed?? "Wow why buff PK she's already too OP!" gently caress off. Her light attacks consistently missed cause it'd never engage properly after parries. I've killed so many PK because of that poo poo, and I always feel bad for them. Parrying an enemy and then being punished by swinging at air isn't fair, and I'm glad Ubi fixed her poo poo despite the fact I never play PK. But even I can see that was a broken as gently caress mechanic. Like when you parry someone as Valk and have to jump attack to even hit them, that's bullshit. When you parry as Conqueror you can't do much after against some classes. When you parry a Nobushi you can rarely do anything as most classes. Same with Lawbringer. Being able to attack after a parry isn't a loving guarantee for any class, nor should it be. Assassins in general are built to survive WITHOUT parrying with their deflect/dodge attacks. If this is a "fix" because you SHOULD be able to punish after a parry then a lot of other classes need to be fixed. That's my whole point though. The devs are being annoyingly silent on which mechanics are working as intended and what ones aren't. As my MMR is rising I'm getting more and more games with people using "techs" that seem like bugs. The Unparryable poo poo isn't just constrained to Shugoki, and I'm seeing it on a lot of classes. I get parried as a raider from a grab into side heavy unblockable. I fight PKs who don't fall over despite being thrown with 0 stamina. There's Warlords getting revenge very fast in 4v4s and literally spamming headbutts into knockdowns into attacks for free kills. There's crazy and inconsistent attack tracking. There's a lot of the game that seems buggy as gently caress and that makes it hard to justify investing time into the game until it's either fixed, or confirmed to be working as intended. Once again, if you're having fun that's fine. Keep having fun. poo poo I agree the game is fun. I raged out a bit earlier, but I've kind accepted it for what it is right now. Pretending like it's anything remotely competitive in its current state though is laughable. Haroshia fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Nasgate posted:Just to nitpick, the revenge gain isnt the huge deciding factor ever. It's the debuff resistance and bonus damage. Now that I can agree on is bullshit. The debuff resistance at max lets you tech a guardbreak no matter what. Haroshia posted:When you parry as Conqueror you can't do much after against some classes. When you parry a Nobushi you can rarely do anything as most classes. Same with Lawbringer. Being able to attack after a parry isn't a loving guarantee for any class, nor should it be. Assassins in general are built to survive WITHOUT parrying with their deflect/dodge attacks. If this is a "fix" because you SHOULD be able to punish after a parry then a lot of other classes need to be fixed. This is such a watertight argument. Good job comparing Nobushi (a long range character) to PK (an up close and personal character). No poo poo most classes can't punish a Nobushi after a parry, the bitch is half a football field away most times. But PK is always up and in your face. She should be able to light attack after a parry. She's basically been breathing down my neck, parries me, and then swings at air. It happens so often that I've come to expect it so I can rush in and punish.
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Loopoo posted:Now that I can agree on is bullshit. The debuff resistance at max lets you tech a guardbreak no matter what. "This thing I just spent two pages defending is actually bullshit!" lol good lord you are an idiot.
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Loopoo posted:Now that I can agree on is bullshit. The debuff resistance at max lets you tech a guardbreak no matter what. Debuff resistance is the secret op stat I think. Recovery times from pretty much everything are effected by it. I have no proof but pks feel much better to fight on my warlord with max debuff resistance. In fact everything feels smoother, and I think getting thrown counts as a debuff, and I've lived near quite a few ledges because I wasn't thrown far enough.
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Chomp8645 posted:"This thing I just spent two pages defending is actually bullshit!" aye. Not even gonna bother forming a solid response to this. All I'll say is "I was aiming my posts at people complaining about revenge mode builds and the ones who say it's an instant loss if the enemies in your game have high level gear". I'm out, this thread becomes toxic as gently caress when arguments happen. I just wanna laugh at gifs of people getting cliffed and lawmakers dancing together. I don't read this thread to have my blood pressure raised.
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Loopoo posted:I'm out, this thread becomes toxic as gently caress when arguments happen. I just wanna laugh at gifs of people getting cliffed and lawmakers dancing together. I don't read this thread to have my blood pressure raised. Well you've done an incredibly piss poor job of following your own advice so that's probably a good idea.
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 Also, faction warfare results in 15 minutes or so. Chomp, your last posts in this thread have just been to make sassy comments and being a jerk in general by stirring the pot. I don't see you helping lighten the thread?
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Quit getting mad about video games.
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just had my first guy drophack me in a 2v2 i was nobushi, he was PK and was raging all game because I was 'using bleed' and could 'light attack people to death' (the irony was lost on him) As I was doing my execution in round 4 to win it suddenly game ends with an error 
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This game has Soul Calibur levels of balance is what I'm sayin
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Loopoo posted:That's not what 90% of the people are moaning about though. They're moaning about the fact that gear stats ruin the game and give people some godlike sort of advantage that you can't do anything about. EDIT: I don't want this to continue.
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looks like all that matters for the faction war round is the last tally lol
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Chomp8645 posted:They having another 1v1 tourny right now. Some good fights so far. Kinda sad they have to do 2v2s and let them kill people each round because Ubisoft forgot to include a proper spectator mode 
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signalnoise posted:This game has Soul Calibur levels of balance is what I'm sayin Also Soul Calibur levels of Zone Out Rage.
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Dosvidanya posted:looks like all that matters for the faction war round is the last tally lol I mean that sounds about right - the map is cumulative, it doesn't reset or anything, it just updates based on who has the most resources in a contested territory, right?
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Can someone explain what the war asset percentages were for? I don't understand what their importance is. Is it basically saying what percentage of players from that faction personally deployed their war assets? Faction Warfare is a joke. Everything in between doesn't matter. It's whoever has the fewest territories an update or two before round end. Cause the faction with lowest territories always explodes after the next territory update.
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Dosvidanya posted:looks like all that matters for the faction war round is the last tally lol Its like musical chairs 
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I "won" the faction war and got 3 scavenge crates but yeah it's kind of dumb as is. Oh well it's a minor thing anyways.
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Red Mundus posted:I "won" the faction war and got 3 scavenge crates but yeah it's kind of dumb as is. Oh well it's a minor thing anyways. Same, Vikings actually did a pretty good job of coordinating on the key territories to hold at the end. That last turn really could have gone either way. It's just a background meta-game though, I wouldn't overthink it too much. Looks like Knights got 2 crates, Samurai received only 1.
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Haroshia posted:The Unparryable poo poo isn't just constrained to Shugoki, and I'm seeing it on a lot of classes. I get parried as a raider from a grab into side heavy unblockable. Anything really specific about the unparryable stuff? I've found in my testing that if you parry an unparryable, you still get the block. You don't get the punish but you don't get punished for it either. It is only with unblockable moves where you have to absolutely dodge it. Also, you can parry a guardbreak? I might have some cool raider stuff soon, depending on how picky the unlocking timing is. I honestly think all the longer ranged weapons can get something unique off that unparryable poo poo. Hypha fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Chomp8645 posted:They having another 1v1 tourny right now. Update: The next one was better. It also featured one of the top competitors raging about one of the maps to the point that he deliberately ran in circles avoiding combat. The organizers awarded that round to his opponent lol.
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