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oh, wait, it was more than that: tennessee contributed $1.36 million. of which a grand total of $64,100 was actually given to support down-ticket races. which still means that around $1.29 million got grifted right into that black hole of a clusterfucked campaign. thanks a loving lot, hillary, that money sure came in handy when we ended up losing another couple of seats in the state legislature.
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:oh, wait, it was more than that: $1.36 million. of which a grand total of $64,100 was actually given to support down-ticket races. which still means that around $1.29 million went right into that black hole of a clusterfucked campaign. the states did not sign up for the HVF with the expectation that they would receive all that money. they did not fundraise that money, and it didn't come from their donors. they were just signatories. so the idea that it at all took away from even one dollar for the TN dems is stupid
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$1.29mil could have bought at least one yard sign or a TI-83 so that mook could loving check his math
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Concerned Citizen posted:the states did not sign up for the HVF with the expectation that they would receive all that money. they did not fundraise that money, and it didn't come from their donors. they were just signatories. so the idea that it at all took away from even one dollar for the TN dems is stupid i'm sure they expected more than 5% of the funds
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I have come to see the light. better abandon everything immediately because you only half-succeeded this time, that'll show the true enemy of the people who's boss
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seeing a number of ignored responses immediately after i posted can't be a good signConcerned Citizen posted:the states did not sign up for the HVF with the expectation that they would receive all that money. they did not fundraise that money, and it didn't come from their donors. they were just signatories. so the idea that it at all took away from even one dollar for the TN dems is stupid and it isn't -- especially when you could at least read that link i provided: quote:Note: A Center for Responsive Politics report shows TNDP receiving $64,100 from Hillary Victory Fund. Clinton, btw, has directly raised about $1.36 million from Tennessee donors, according to an FEC summary of presidential candidate contributions in the state — more than any other candidate, Republican or Democratic. i won't say your apparent illiteracy is the reason that nobody likes you, but it certainly is a contributing factor. the only one stupid here is you.
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Condiv posted:i'm sure they expected more than 5% of the funds if they did expect more, they were wrong. the funds were never theirs by agreement, they never put in even 10 seconds of effort to fundraise. the hvf cost them nothing at all, it was always a vehicle to fund the dnc. the dnc has always funded races according to how competitive they are. maybe that's not the best way to do it, but no one expected them to change that formula this year
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:seeing a number of ignored responses immediately after i posted can't be a good sign why precisely do the tn dems deserve money donated to the hillary clinton campaign? if the tn donors wanted to donate to the tndp, surely they would have gone to the tndp party website/fundraiser instead? i guess i gave you the benefit of the doubt you were talking about HVF money, and not money donated to the actual clinton campaign which has literally nothing at all to do with the tndp Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 03:27 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:if they did expect more, they were wrong. the funds were never theirs by agreement, they never put in even 10 seconds of effort to fundraise. the hvf cost them nothing at all, it was always a vehicle to fund the dnc. the dnc has always funded races according to how competitive they are. maybe that's not the best way to do it, but no one expected them to change that formula this year she was bragging about how much she was gonna help the downticket sounds to me she wanted everyone to have the impression the hvf wasn't just for her
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Condiv posted:she was bragging about how much she was gonna help the downticket yes i agree, hillary camp's description of HVF was incredibly misleading. some of the money did benefit the down ballot, but it was always mainly funding gotv programs in battleground states and they were incidental. one big issue is that all the money raised is federal money, which in most cases can only be spent on federal races. so in the case of TN, there isn't a lot they could have done with that money to win their state leg races. the state parties who signed the agreement knew what the agreement was. they weren't surprised when the money was transferred back out of their accounts, since they had to sign an agreement that specifically said that.
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Concerned Citizen posted:why precisely do the tn dems deserve money donated to the hillary clinton campaign? if the tn donors wanted to donate to the tndp, surely they would have gone to the tndp party website/fundraiser instead? they probably would've spent the money more intelligently than the clinton campaign did lmao
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Yinlock posted:i thought it was the literal nazis but sure Everyone's first in our utopia 
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Concerned Citizen posted:why precisely do the tn dems deserve money donated to the hillary clinton campaign? if the tn donors wanted to donate to the tndp, surely they would have gone to the tndp party website/fundraiser instead? as per my last comment, maybe they thought by donating to hvf, they were also donating to the tndp. hillary sure did try to give people that impression
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Condiv posted:as per my last comment, maybe they thought by donating to hvf, they were also donating to the tndp. hillary sure did try to give people that impression well, hvf donations were largely for very large donors, and they were pretty clearly marketed with clinton stuff (after all, it's the hillary victory fund). the first 2700 went straight to the clinton campaign's bank account. the next 2700 (iirc) went to the dnc. that's all on the literal donation forms and website. everything after that was split among state parties, who promptly had that money sent back to the dnc. the only way tn would be hurt by this is if one of their regular donors gave to the HVF instead of the party, and maxed out completely. which is why the dnc had the parties to send in lists of their donors they didn't want solicited by hvf so they didn't have their own donor base leeched from. i feel fairly comfortable in saying that a large donor from tn would have been hit with solicitations by the state party if they were not maxed out to them, for at the very least a max donation to their state party account. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 03:33 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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loquacius posted:I think it was only like a month ago someone claimed ITT that Bernie had no opinions on women's issues and never talked about them and I was like "I have personally heard Bernard Sanders say 'equal pay for women' as an applause line, and thousands of Bernard Brothers cheered their approval" They were saying boo-urns Is that the weenie who got neutered before he was inaugurated
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hillary victory fund was just a way to get around campaign finance liimits just like the majority of state party and DNC fundraising. Once large donors maxed out to HFA, they were directed to give additional money to the HVF. This is because the campaign finance system as a whole is ridiculous and pretty much any well run campaign is going to have to do stuff like that in order to be competitive. If people want to give to downballot races they should give to them directly but 95%+ of the donors giving to hillary victory fund were rich max out donors who wanted to give more to hillary. They obviously marketed it differently to the press but donors knew what they were signing up and most likely specifically wanted to give to hillary and be assured it wouldn't go to other races. G-Hawk has issued a correction as of 03:45 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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just for the record: the tn dems transferred $641k in hvf funds to the dnc, which again was money that they never agreed was theirs and was always supposed to go back to dnc. this cycle, they received $310k in transfers from the national committee. so the tn democratic party got a good amount of money. the $1.36 million cited by gene hackman was, not surprisingly, blatantly wrong and stupid. here's the source for that: https://www.opensecrets.org/states/other.php?state=TN&cycle=2016
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nopants posted:Is the DNC still in debt? they have $3.7m in debt, but also $10m coh so they're fine
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G-Hawk posted:hillary victory fund was just a way to get around campaign finance liimits just like the majority of state party and DNC fundraising. Once large donors maxed out to HFA, they were directed to give additional money to the HVF. This is because the campaign finance system as a whole is ridiculous and pretty much any well run campaign is going to have to do stuff like that in order to be competitive. If people want to give to downballot races they should give to them directly but 95%+ of the donors giving to hillary victory fund were rich max out donors who wanted to give more to hillary. i remember hearing so much about how hillary was magnanimously helping to fund downticket races just lol @ me for believing that at face value
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UV_Catastrophe posted:they probably would've spent the money more intelligently than the clinton campaign did lmao "Spending more intelligently than the Clinton Campaign," is not a high bar to get over.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:just lol @ me for believing that at face value there was a lot of stuff she got us to accept at face value. like the idea that she wasn't a loving idiot when it came to running a political campaign.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:they probably would've spent the money more intelligently than the clinton campaign did lmao anyone intimately familiar with how state parties spend money knows that money would probably have ended up as a huge pile of refrigerator magnets with qr codes handed out on back to school night
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:there was a lot of stuff she got us to accept at face value. Hillary Can Fix It
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Concerned Citizen posted:the states did not sign up for the HVF with the expectation that they would receive all that money. they did not fundraise that money, and it didn't come from their donors. they were just signatories. so the idea that it at all took away from even one dollar for the TN dems is stupid What happened to all the downticket money, CC?
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Yinlock posted:better abandon everything immediately because you only half-succeeded this time, that'll show the true enemy of the people who's boss Half succeeded? What's this half you're referring to?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:What happened to all the downticket money, CC? Concerned Citizen posted:yes i agree, hillary camp's description of HVF was incredibly misleading. some of the money did benefit the down ballot, but it was always mainly funding gotv programs in battleground states and they were incidental. one big issue is that all the money raised is federal money, which in most cases can only be spent on federal races. so in the case of TN, there isn't a lot they could have done with that money to win their state leg races. The DCCC, DGA, dscc, and dlcc spend millions and millions on down ballot races, which were better funded than the GOP this cycle.
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Shear Modulus posted:Hillary Can Fix It [primary reference]
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Jazerus posted:booty judge, the man of tomorrow https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/836197533995106309 
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Concerned Citizen posted:The DCCC, DGA, dscc, and dlcc spend millions and millions on down ballot races, which were better funded than the GOP this cycle. okay but what did hillary do to help the downballot
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Raskolnikov38 posted:okay but what did hillary do to help the downballot No presidential candidate does anything to help the down ballot
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Raskolnikov38 posted:okay but what did hillary do to help the downballot given how badly dems got clobbered in 2016, not a whole loving lot.
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Concerned Citizen posted:No presidential candidate does anything to help the down ballot then why was bernie expected to
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Raskolnikov38 posted:then why was bernie expected to I didn't expect him to. Take it up with someone who did.
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