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Panzeh posted:The y-wing's superiority is being able to mount a twin-laser turret honestly. Starfighters which are limited to fixed forward firing weapons are obsolete. Oh, so is that why the F-35 was outfitted with a ball turret.
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Ice Fist posted:I just like the name because if you take away the implied translation you're left with "Armored Battle Wagon" and that tickles my funny bone in a 'I'm imagining Poland was conquered by a bunch of guys driving their heavily armored Conestoga wagons' kind of way. Wagen is just a generic term for a four (ish - can be more, don't think it can be less) wheeled vehicle. The translation of Pzkfw is just "armored fighting vehicle" and hey guess what the generic term is in English?
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P-Mack posted:Europe does World War II like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkNQiFQz9Ok
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SlothfulCobra posted:Oh, so is that why the F-35 was outfitted with a ball turret. The patented GroverLaser.
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I swear Imma gonna George S. Patton all of you Turtledove-discussing motherfuckers.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I swear Imma gonna George S. Patton all of you Turtledove-discussing motherfuckers. What, drive into the back of a parked truck?
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C.M. Kruger posted:What, drive into the back of a parked truck? If slapping y'all doesn't work, then yes.
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nerds? in the milhist thread? let me pop my monocle back in
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HEY GAIL posted:nerds? in the milhist thread? let me pop my monocle back in But they're the wrong kind of nerds!
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:But they're the wrong kind of nerds! WE'RE ALL NERDS HERE YOU DINGBAT
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Panzeh posted:The y-wing's superiority is being able to mount a twin-laser turret honestly. Starfighters which are limited to fixed forward firing weapons are obsolete. oh sure goons get all their information from tabletop games 
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HEY GAIL posted:WE'RE ALL NERDS HERE YOU DINGBAT THAT WAS THE JOKE
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HEY GAIL posted:nerds? in the milhist thread? let me pop my monocle back in where we're going we don't need monocles to see
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StashAugustine posted:oh sure goons get all their information from tabletop games Sir, sir, we call them consims, or 'conflict simulations'.
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Panzeh posted:Sir, sir, we call them consims, or 'conflict simulations'. Alright, you can play one more round of Hungry Hungry Hippos but then it's time for bed!
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Thanks for all the enlightening answers to my tank question guys, ilu.
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Panzeh posted:Sir, sir, we call them consims, or 'conflict simulations'. Or "My second job"....
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HEY GAIL posted:nerds? in the milhist thread? let me pop my monocle back in One of my eyes is completely going to poo poo while the other is still pretty OK. This means I have a legitimate use for a monocle and I am super bummed that my wife has vetoed that idea. . . . probably because she knows that the very next thing I would do is grow some AMAZING sideburns and start browsing walking canes on Amazon.
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Cyrano4747 posted:One of my eyes is completely going to poo poo while the other is still pretty OK. This means I have a legitimate use for a monocle and I am super bummed that my wife has vetoed that idea. I've always had one good eye and one pretty crappy one. I've worn glasses since I was literally 6 months old but I am now pondering a monocle and the full Prussian officer look.
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feedmegin posted:I've always had one good eye and one pretty crappy one. I've worn glasses since I was literally 6 months old but I am now pondering a monocle and the full Prussian officer look. Best be buying a fur hat with a tottenkompf
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JcDent posted:Best be buying a fur hat with a tottenkompf Nah, just start wearing waistcoats and slice your face up for that sexy mensur look.
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Winona Ryder wore a monocle in Heathers, and it didn't look any worse than the rest of 80's fashion.
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Cyrano4747 posted:One of my eyes is completely going to poo poo while the other is still pretty OK. This means I have a legitimate use for a monocle and I am super bummed that my wife has vetoed that idea. Get a pith helmet and a map of the Orient to eye wistfully.
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P-Mack posted:Winona Ryder wore a monocle in Heathers, and it didn't look any worse than the rest of 80's fashion. I had a run of norovirus that looked better than 80's fashion, it isn't a high bar to clear.
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The guy who wanted to call tanks "Armouredillos" was Colonel Swinton, the British officer who came up with the idea for some kind of armoured fighting vehicle about six months before any other Brit (Churchill thought he was inventing a trench-smashing steamroller when he set up the Landships Committee); he also wanted them to carry a board on the front with some kind of deliberately mis-spelled insult, and suggested "GOTT SETRAF DUSTECHLAND".quote:“The misplacement of the letters, if cleverly done, will just suffice to make every German who sees it try to read it, instead of shooting at our infantry. This device may appear ludicrous, but it is based on sound psychological grounds.” I believe several of our resident Germans expressed utter outrage at the thought of such a sneaky and underhanded tactic when I first mentioned it... And there was never really an alternate name for the things because they were utterly top secret when they were "landships" and still utterly top secret when renamed "tanks", so nobody ever found out about them until they appeared, what are they called, I'll ask the Major, the Major says they're tanks. Similar situation in France with "char d'assault" and Germany with "Panzerkampfwagen".
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Trin Tragula posted:The guy who wanted to call tanks "Armouredillos" was Colonel Swinton, the British officer who came up with the idea for some kind of armoured fighting vehicle about six months before any other Brit (Churchill thought he was inventing a trench-smashing steamroller when he set up the Landships Committee); he also wanted them to carry a board on the front with some kind of deliberately mis-spelled insult, and suggested "GOTT SETRAF DUSTECHLAND". 
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Ask Us About Military History Mk. III: WE'RE ALL NERDS HERE YOU DINGBAT
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A brief history of British army Napoleonic army sausage smugglers for those interested. It's about trousers, not gay porn or a NCO who's job was to steal French sausages. Sorry!
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SlothfulCobra posted:Oh, so is that why the F-35 was outfitted with a ball turret. I don't care how much it costs, if they actually did this it would be worth it 
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What's the better B-17 story: Memphis Belle or the Amazing Stories episode where they have to do a belly landing and they can't get the guy out of the ball turret so he magically draws some cartoon landing gears that become real and he escapes when they land?
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Ensign Expendable posted:Get a pith helmet and a map of the Orient to eye wistfully. Did I ever tell you about that time I rode down a Ansar at Omdurman, old chap?
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Speaking of narratives about war, I'm reading Grant's memoirs right now, and jeez. I did not realize how much of a general's time was spent prosecuting dumb pissing contests with other generals on the same side. Every time Grant meets another general he's very clear about who he thinks has the right to order whom around, and half the time the other guy disagrees!
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nrook posted:Speaking of narratives about war, I'm reading Grant's memoirs right now, and jeez. I did not realize how much of a general's time was spent prosecuting dumb pissing contests with other generals on the same side. Every time Grant meets another general he's very clear about who he thinks has the right to order whom around, and half the time the other guy disagrees! So he would have been Trump's favourite general if he didn't fight for the wrong side.
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nrook posted:Speaking of narratives about war, I'm reading Grant's memoirs right now, and jeez. I did not realize how much of a general's time was spent prosecuting dumb pissing contests with other generals on the same side. Every time Grant meets another general he's very clear about who he thinks has the right to order whom around, and half the time the other guy disagrees! The other side's generals may be your enemies, but your fellow generals are your biggest competitors! IIRC, Grant wasn't one of the "in crowd" of Union generals, so he had quite a lot of maneuvering to do to come out ahead.
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Panzeh posted:The Boulton Paul Defiant's superiority is being able to mount a quad-MG turret honestly. Fighters which are limited to fixed forward firing weapons are obsolete. Hang on...
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sullat posted:The other side's generals may be your enemies, but your fellow generals are your biggest competitors! IIRC, Grant wasn't one of the "in crowd" of Union generals, so he had quite a lot of maneuvering to do to come out ahead. The ACW was also hella political in both the electoral sense and in the interpersonal maneuvering sense so there were quite a few incompetent bumblefucks who either bought their commission or had it gifted through connections. I could imagine a lot of friction between the political generals and someone who wasn't part of that world. Hell, Meade (iirc according to Meade) thought he was getting arrested when the staff showed up to say he'd been offered command of the Army of the Potomac. Things back then were.... ehhhhh different.
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FAUXTON posted:The ACW was also hella political in both the electoral sense and in the interpersonal maneuvering sense so there were quite a few incompetent bumblefucks who either bought their commission or had it gifted through connections. I could imagine a lot of friction between the political generals and someone who wasn't part of that world. The institutional strain that the ACW put on the army also can't be underestimated. Having a huge chunk of your officer corps gently caress off to go fight for your seceding states REALLY shakes the gently caress out of the command structure and causes some insanely fast shake ups. Part of that is the promotion of incompetent bumblefucks who happen to know the right guy or give a nice "gift" to the right congressman, part of that is genuinely talented individuals who were sidelined by the old system showing their worth and getting their chance. Hell, look at Sherman's pre-war career. Then you've got the exact same issue in the CSA, as they had to develop an entire military structure from the ground up around a core of defecting professionals. Again, you see both complete hacks who got their commission because they were rich and owned lots of property, and you've got guys who advanced quickly because they could get poo poo done.
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