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cebrail posted:Not only did the left expect Brexit, significant parts of the left were actively campaigning for it. And Jeremy Corbyn isn't losing support because of some media campaign but because he's grossly incompent. That he now supports a hard Brexit is certainly a part of it. He has a genuine problem though; either he opposes Brexit that was voted for mainly by working class people who labour are said to represent, or he just steps aside. Either decision he chooses would lose him significant support.
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Manic X posted:Just from my experience; I think the key to advancing the agenda is to check the language that you use. Do you actually know people IRL who do this because this sounds like a strawman thing that the right portrays the left as doing way more than the left actually does. Manic X posted:There also needs to be less drama made of certain kinds of speech. Even comedians who are paid to be controversial feel like they are treading on eggshells. There is a difference between making a joke and actually meaning something (i.e. PewdiePie) - I don't really like PewdiePie very much and his nazi-related humor was a little distasteful, but it's clear he was expressing his style of humor and did not actually have an agenda to kill Jews. Nah PewDiePie had been spiraling out of control for a while before the nazi thing, like he was making bizarre conspiracy videos and thought youtube and a number of other outlets were out to get him, that was just the last straw. Also he was employed by goddamn Disney, his brand of humor needs to not include nazis. Manic X posted:While I was at University, there were also many petitions to prevent right-wing speakers coming in for silly things like a throw-away comment from 8 years ago. If you do not create the platform for debate, change cannot happen without aggression. Did those petitions succeed? Because the petitions themselves are also part of the "debate". And from what I can tell the only people the left is super-duper trying to keep from speaking at universities right now are Milo, a certifiably Bad Person, and some TERF feminists.
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Manic X posted:I'm disappointed that the support for Jeremy Corbyn is dwindling with even his most avid supporters as they have bought into the whole media campaign of him being unelectable; I think Britain is now certainly going to be a one party country. His support is dwindling amongst his most avid supporters because his total lack of enthusiasm for fighting the Brexit process is alarming. He's capable of way more effort than he's putting in and, while I respected the whip on Brexit at first (as him attempting to be electable, which door-to-door campaigners has said has actually done some good), the three line nature of it was bizarre. He's a socialist and barnstorming speeches are part of his reportoire but I haven't seen one for a few months now. It's a legitimate concern if he can't bring enthusiasm in his own base. He still needs to remain Labour leader for a while, his mandate was always to guillotine the parachuted blairites out of the PLP. He's still talking about Hunt's fiasco and the recent attacks on the disabled, but instead of half hour speeches featuring angry jam grandad that people like, it's three minute soundbyte clips repeating what everyone knows with no fire in them.
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Feb 28, 2017 15:10
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https://twitter.com/BlkMenForBernie/status/836056881671987200 Burn the democratic party to the ground and salt the ashes
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:It was worse than I remembered. It wasn't a tweet, it was a chain email sent to every Democrat in the state? https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/251865760/Nancy-Worley-Holiday-Letter My God. It's like a personification of the Democrats' organizational history. EDIT: ate all the Oreos posted:https://twitter.com/BlkMenForBernie/status/836056881671987200 wtf ...I mean, I guess I'm not surprised? 'But he's so popular! He mobilizes our activists! OBVIOUSLY he is the wrong choice - we might actually win downticket races or some poo poo!' :| Gotta love the diehard dem establishment supporters who look at things like this and just stupidly nod their heads, like yeah, what an awesome strat. The Ender fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Spangly A posted:angry jam grandad mooooooooooooooods
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:mooooooooooooooods Angry jam grandad is Corbyn's best persona by far, calm nice man is vote cancer because the British are neither calm nor nice.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Do you actually know people IRL who do this because this sounds like a strawman thing that the right portrays the left as doing way more than the left actually does. 1) I actually know people like this. I did an arts degree; it was full of this attitude. 2) Tbf I am not clued up on PewdiePie's story. All I know is that I watched the videos he was in trouble for and thought, yeah not my kind of humor, but I've heard worse from comedians. 3) Yes the petitions succeeded else I would not be posting about it. My point being is I consider myself left wing whilst also advocating unvetted free speech. Censorship is a dangerous concept as whilst it keeps out some evil opinions it can also discourage genuine opinions that are not necessarily mainstream. I believe in the old phrase sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. It is less toxic in the UK than the US I think; but still I only discovered this year my father was a UKIP supporter because of brexit. I had no idea because of this culture of silence. I was initially furous, but then I realised I was debasing my own principals and after he explained his reasoning I could undertand his stance even though I still disagree entirely.
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Manic X posted:I believe in the old phrase sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. "Break Manic X's bones with sticks and stones" are words that may eventually cause you harm, actually.
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ate all the Oreos posted:https://twitter.com/BlkMenForBernie/status/836056881671987200  This is pathetic. Pretty funny stealth endorsement of anarchists though, to (correctly) suggest that anarchists disagree with people being under-represented in decisions that concern them. Edit: Actually does anyone have a source for this quote that isn't from washingtontimes or breitbart? Ruzihm fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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GunnerJ posted:"Break Manic X's bones with sticks and stones" are words that may eventually cause you harm, actually. I doubt it. Beating the poo poo out of someone funnily enough makes a person more adamant in their beliefs. If you are hindered by words, you are a pussy to be blunt. loving heroes like Martin Luther King Jr. endured real punishment for their beliefs and succeeded in their enphatic victories for social justice. I repeat I am for the left-wing agenda except for speech. As speech is subjective and it diverts the narrative from real issues. Stop talking about who used a bad word and start acting on injustice. Manic X fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 17:12
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Manic X posted:I doubt it. Beating the poo poo out of someone funnily enough makes a person more adamant in their belieft. None of this is relevant to my point though so w/e.
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Manic X posted:I am not clued up on PewdiePie's story. and yet you thought yourself qualified to come in here and tell us all WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON thanks, bozo
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I decided to call the PA Democratic Party, and they're saying Groen didn't say it at all. e: they also mentioned a spot he had on msnbc about the election over the weekend, and implied (but didn't outright say) he contradicts it there Goon Danton fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 17:30
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Goon Danton posted:I decided to call the PA Democratic Party, and they're saying Groen didn't say it at all. Eh okay sorry for passing on ~fake news~
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ate all the Oreos posted:Eh okay sorry for passing on ~fake news~ Well, hey, at least you're not alone 
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:and yet you thought yourself qualified to come in here and tell us all WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON gently caress off jackass; you know I didn't come on here to lecture; I came here to provide a view point from my experience. I entered this thread to give advice on the prevailing attitude. Assholes like you are the problem. Seriously you will help the cause if you stay in your basement. The cause needs genuine people and not smug cretins like you. If you use this attitude against genuine opponents you might as well talk to a wall as they will have laughed you out the room. I understand the mindset of right wing people as I used to be one until I realised how wrong our view of the world was. I now strive for a legal equality where people do not feel oppressed because of things out of their control. Pretending to be intelligent makes you seem stupid.
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Manic X posted:gently caress off jackass; you know I didn't come on here to lecture; I came here to provide a view point from my experience. I entered this thread to give advice on the prevailing attitude. Assholes like you are the problem. Seriously you will help the cause if you stay in your basement. The cause needs genuine people and not smug cretins like you. If you use this attitude against genuine opponents you might as well talk to a wall as they will have laughed you out the room. Um you're not ~respectfully disagreeing~ here obviously you're censoring us right now by telling us to stay in our basements Manic X posted:I understand the mindset of right wing people as I used to be one until I realised how wrong our view of the world was. I now strive for a legal equality where people do not feel oppressed because of things out of their control. Pretending to be intelligent makes you seem stupid. Sounds like you're still a right wing egalitarian tbqh
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ate all the Oreos posted:Eh okay sorry for passing on ~fake news~ I did the same thing until Ruzihm mentioned the source. And the lady answering the phones knew exactly what I was talking about immediately and sounded pretty exhausted by it, so apparently a lot of people are calling.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Um you're not ~respectfully disagreeing~ here obviously you're censoring us right now by telling us to stay in our basements You know what I'm doing now? I'm in Vietnam in an education advisor role (in a small province tbf) where I have just achieved the first recognised women's teacher day. Previously, there was only a generic teachers day and men's teachers day. But I campaigned against my employer to raise the wage of women (which he did a little albeit not to the same level of men which I am still vocal about). Here, inequality is far worse than western countries. Those who breed negativity instead of fight on the frontlines like I am doing in a communist (dictatorship). ' Keep this attiutude and you will achieve nothing becuase change occurs gradually. If you're expecting an immediate overhaul you are deluded and do not undertand social constructs at all. Manic X fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Feb 28, 2017 18:15
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American advisors in Vietnam have a long and proud history.
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You're literally invoking Martin Luther King in your crusade for the right to use racial slurs. Gee, I wonder why you "understand" the right wing. Real mystery.
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Manic X posted:You know what I'm doing now? I'm in Vietnam in an education advisor role (in a small province tbf) where I have just achieved the first recognised women's teacher day. Previously, there was only a generic teachers day and men's teachers day. But I campaigned against my employer to raise the wage of women (which he did a little albeit not to the same level of men which I am still vocal about). Here, inequality is far worse than western countries. Those who breed negativity instead of fight on the frontlines like I am doing in a communist (dictatorship). ' I'm not sure what your point is with this post, right now I'm interpreting it as you think we only exist in forum form and never actually go out and do anything useful which is... kinda the entire point of this thread? I mean credit where credit's due I genuinely think you did A Good Thing, congrats, but I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. Manic X posted:Keep this attiutude and you will achieve nothing becuase change occurs gradually. If you're expecting an immediate overhaul you are deluded and do not undertand social constructs at all. Yeah MLK was all about that gradual change
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ate all the Oreos posted:Yeah MLK was all about that gradual change remember when we had that gradual civil war to eradicate chattel slavery in the us? very gradual & peaceful.
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cebrail posted:You're literally invoking Martin Luther King in your crusade for the right to use racial slurs. Hey man racial slurs don't affect me, a white man with next to no lived experience. In fact, I can't understand why some other people get so upset. It just makes me laugh and laugh to use those words because they are so harmless to me, a white man. It's such a funny joke to use such words that do not harm a white man like me.
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Dude rolls in here basically saying everyone needs to hear Nazis out and accept that maybe there's something to the jobless cracker mindset of "immigrants/taxes took my job" instead of "unfettered capitalism took my job and my home and any hope of recovering and I helped them do it" which is where people should be directing the discussion. I mean you don't want to call them jobless crackers to their face or blame them directly but you certainly want to help them spot the enemy. They got duped, plain and simple. They ought to be mad, you are there to help them extract revenge on the Romneys and Trumps and Bushes and Jamie Dimons of the world. These power brokers don't care, the jobless cracker doesn't even exist to these people. They're just a mark on a ballot to be conned and traded away for more money for them and them alone.
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tsa posted:Sounds like you're a moron! 
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Ruzihm posted:remember when we had that gradual civil war to eradicate chattel slavery in the us? very gradual & peaceful. This is a good example for why violence won't work. Slavery was already on the way out before the Civil War but instead of a gradual elimination of slavery, we forced change. What happened? Jim Crow, segregation, Lost Cause, etc. In many ways, we're still fighting the Civil War. If we had just let nature take its course and allowed for another generation, three tops, of chattel slavery we'd be living in a better world now. You have to think in the long term -- justice is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Shbobdb posted:This is a good example for why violence won't work. Slavery was already on the way out before the Civil War but instead of a gradual elimination of slavery, we forced change. What happened? Jim Crow, segregation, Lost Cause, etc. In many ways, we're still fighting the Civil War. If we had just let nature take its course and allowed for another generation, three tops, of chattel slavery we'd be living in a better world now. You have to think in the long term -- justice is a marathon, not a sprint. Thanks Booker T. Washington
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Goon Danton posted:I did the same thing until Ruzihm mentioned the source. And the lady answering the phones knew exactly what I was talking about immediately and sounded pretty exhausted by it, so apparently a lot of people are calling. Good, gently caress it, put up fake articles like this for dnc operatives across the country. Embrace post truth politics. I'm only partially kidding
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Shbobdb posted:This is a good example for why violence won't work. Slavery was already on the way out before the Civil War but instead of a gradual elimination of slavery, we forced change. What happened? Jim Crow, segregation, Lost Cause, etc. In many ways, we're still fighting the Civil War. If we had just let nature take its course and allowed for another generation, three tops, of chattel slavery we'd be living in a better world now. You have to think in the long term -- justice is a marathon, not a sprint. Please tell me you're trying to imitate a libertarian here for the sake of comedy. Also the only thing Booker T Washington should be remembered for is found a few good universities But overall he was self serving jackass who ensured blacks suffered much. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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nachos posted:Good, gently caress it, put up fake articles like this for dnc operatives across the country. Embrace post truth politics. I don't think the Washington Times will be using their powers for good.
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ate all the Oreos posted:https://twitter.com/BlkMenForBernie/status/836056881671987200 This is why we should all be struggling to get onto State Committees.
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That tweet is forever going to rile up people on the left when we've already learned that it's a bullshit story.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:This is why we should all be struggling to get onto State Committees. Note that it's probably fake, the source is Washington Times and Brietbart and the PA Chair denies they said it. Though I don't disagree with the conclusion.
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