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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Facts and logic says as soon as the loving weirdos get wind that you can walk into a women's restroom in a dress, they're gonna start doing it. But whatever. Feelings.

Actually real world facts state that this hasn't happened so again, you've just regurgitated made up GOP talking points designed to play off the fears of transphobics good job.

But yeah. gently caress THEIR feelings. The only feelings that matter are MY feelings on the matter and MY feelings say I AM GROSSED OUT lol. I FEEL like they are gonna rape my kiddies so that's what matters!!!


my feelings matter yours don't you're only .6% of the population deal with it haha!

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Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Moridin920 posted:

Look dude I think my coworker is gross but that doesn't mean I get to erode their political rights.

i really don't think cutting off your dilz or dressing up as a lady are political rights tho

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i really don't think cutting off your dilz or dressing up as a lady are political rights tho

I don't think the state has any business telling people whether they are a man or a woman though, and by passing laws that do just that it ultimately erodes all our rights.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

Actually real world facts state that this hasn't happened so again, you've just regurgitated made up GOP talking points designed to play off the fears of transphobics good job.

But yeah. gently caress THEIR feelings. The only feelings that matter are MY feelings on the matter and MY feelings say I AM GROSSED OUT lol. FEELINGS.


my feelings matter yours don't you're only .6% of the population deal with it haha!

Haha, you're a guy that says "spread the wealth" because we need to take care of the majority. The majority is not .6%

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Haha, you're a guy that says "spread the wealth" because we need to take care of the majority. The majority is not .6%

I say spread the wealth to take care of all, not just my tribe.

You're literally arguing for a tyranny of the majority which our constitution is explicitly written against. This is not a socialism/capitalism issue at all.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Moridin920 posted:

I don't think the state has any business telling people whether they are a man or a woman though.

that's a lovely ideal but it v quickly comes into contact with the reality that is the necessity of ensuring hormonal teens don't screw each other in public schools until they're 18 and stuff like having people obey a dress code in government jobs

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Welcome to the mord and spunky show everyone, today's topics include:

-Genitals
-Bathrooms
-Thick wads

Please sit back and enjoy the bickering.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

that's a lovely ideal but it v quickly comes into contact with the reality that is the necessity of ensuring hormonal teens don't screw each other in public schools until they're 18 and stuff like having people obey a dress code in government jobs

I think you'll find that having separate bathrooms for girls and boys prevents exactly 0 hormonal teens from loving. I think you'll find you can have 2 separate bathrooms without telling everyone which they are allowed to use.

Also you can have a gender neutral dress code, fuckwit. That's what most of them are anyway to avoid sexual harassment lawsuits :ssh:

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Moridin920 posted:

I think you'll find that having separate bathrooms for girls and boys prevents exactly 0 hormonal teens from loving.

Also you can have a gender neutral dress code, fuckwit. That's what most of them are :ssh:

having separate locker/changing rooms probably does prevent a lot of hormonal boys and girls from loving though!!!

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

a bone to pick posted:

Welcome to the mord and spunky show everyone, today's topics include:

-Genitals
-Bathrooms
-Thick wads

Please sit back and enjoy the bickering.

I like how there's less than five minutes between most their posts so you know they're just furiously typing away at each other. I wanna believe that one of them is phoneposting so that image can be more amusing.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Facts and logic says as soon as the loving weirdos get wind that you can walk into a women's restroom in a dress, they're gonna start doing it. But whatever. Feelings.

I mean i could just as easily say the opposite policy would empower weirdos to beat the poo poo out of any woman they dont think looks feminine enough. Weird how conjecture works.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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mord and spunky show sounds like a great idea lmao

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

what is this lol
Do you need me to explain it like you're a child? The people who get offended by transgenders using bathrooms always use the example of a penis being in the women's room. They don't want a penis in the women's room, it's only for vaginas. So they try to pass laws to make it so penises aren't allowed in the women's room, but wait, that's not good enough, either. They're also upset that a person with a vagina is in the women's bathroom. They say that person doesn't belong there, either. Wait, so it's not the penis or the vagina that they're upset about? What could it be?

They don't want transgender people with a penis in their bathrooms, nor do they want a transgender people with vaginas in their bathrooms. They just want them to go away.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

having separate locker/changing rooms probably does prevent a lot of hormonal boys and girls from loving though!!!

Cool so you can have separate locker/changing rooms/bathrooms and still not be a genital gestapo checking everyone for biological purity before they enter.

Knight posted:

They don't want transgender people with a penis in their bathrooms, nor do they want a transgender people with vaginas in their bathrooms. They just want them to go away.

Another good point. Many trans people are post-op but that's still not good enough.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

mord and spunky show sounds like a great idea lmao

Two nerds screaming at each other about ladydicks forever

Cake Smashing Boob
Nov 5, 2008

I support black genocide

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

having separate locker/changing rooms probably does prevent a lot of hormonal boys and girls from loving though!!!

turning sexually frustrated young men and women into gays/trans/pervy bathroom creepers

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Moridin920 posted:

genital gestapo

brb copyrighting my new metal band name

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Moridin is some wide eyed idealist and I'm the guy who's seen a single eyeball in the crack of the bathroom stall in the library watch me while I piss at the urinal and he moans and taps his feet

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.
Is a kid more likely to get molested in a public bathroom or a church? Any data on this?

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Moridin is some wide eyed idealist and I'm the guy who's seen a single eyeball in the crack of the bathroom stall in the library watch me while I piss at the urinal and he moans and taps his feet
It's cool and good that you keep in touch with your local political representatives.

Honky Dong Country
Feb 11, 2015

Krustic posted:

Is a kid more likely to get molested in a public bathroom or a church? Any data on this?

church bathroom

Knight posted:

It's cool and good that you keep in touch with your local political representatives.

lol

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Krustic posted:

Is a kid more likely to get molested in a public bathroom or a church? Any data on this?

i dunno, which is the one you visit more often?

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Krustic posted:

Is a kid more likely to get molested in a public bathroom or a church? Any data on this?

I dunno the exact number but it is def church since 90%+ of child abusers are in that kid's network of family/friends to begin with (according to The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute).

Kids getting raped in bathrooms (why is the parent not present btw?) is, to paraphrase Spunky, such a small % of cases that it isn't worth getting into a tizzy about.

GREAT SATAN
Aug 1, 2014

by Fluffdaddy
Trump is so far from being hosed that this thread is now about lashing out at bad Trump stand-in Spunky. Teflon Don continues to reign.
E: :agesilaus:

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Moridin is some wide eyed idealist and I'm the guy who's seen a single eyeball in the crack of the bathroom stall in the library watch me while I piss at the urinal and he moans and taps his feet

What makes you think that doesnt happen in the opposite bathroom, though?

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i dunno, which is the one you visit more often?

I avoid both so it's a wash.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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GREAT SATAN posted:

Trump is so far from being hosed that this thread is now about lashing out at bad Trump stand-in Spunky. Teflon Don continues to reign.
E: :agesilaus:

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Church:

quote:

The report indicates that from 1950-2013, 17,259 victims made accusations and 6,427 clerics had been counted as “not implausibly” or “credibly” accused. In addition, it should be noted that these numbers do not account for underreporting, or include the unusually large number victims who came forward in 2003 in the wake of the Boston Globe‘s eye-opening report on sexual abuse in the Catholic church by their Spotlight team.

A presentation titled “Offenders Within The Church: Who Are They And How Do They Operate?” gives an ominous indication of the grave threat facing children in American churches, including the fact that reported child abuse accusations against US protestant churches average 70 per week (GRACE also acknowledges that the actual number is probably much higher due to under-reporting.)


Bathroom:

quote:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

Experts in 12 states -- including law enforcement officials, government employees, and advocates for victims of sexual assault -- have debunked the right-wing myth that sexual predators will exploit transgender non-discrimination laws to sneak into women's restrooms, calling the myth baseless and "beyond specious."

Those experts from 12 states include LEOs, state human rights employees, and people who work with sexual assault victims.

It is a bullshit GOP talking point.

Meanwhile 70 kids a week (at least) are getting raped in churches nationwide but NOT A loving PEEP about it from the same people who claim to only be concerned for children.

Gasbraai
Oct 25, 2010

Lictor my Dictor

GREAT SATAN posted:

Trump is so far from being hosed that this thread is now about lashing out at bad Trump stand-in Spunky. Teflon Don continues to reign.
E: :agesilaus:

May the God Emperor reign for a 1000 years upon his golden throne. First 3-termer ever recorded then benevolent dictator for life.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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we can talk about the courts finally fighting back against the campus rape frenzy if you wanna change topic my men's

http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/28/student-expelled-for-rape-says-amherst-d

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

I dunno the exact number but it is def church since 90%+ of child abusers are in that kid's network of family/friends to begin with (according to The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute).

Kids getting raped in bathrooms (why is the parent not present btw?) is, to paraphrase Spunky, such a small % of cases that it isn't worth getting into a tizzy about.

Yah but I'm trying to prevent future rapes, not encourage every swinging bizarro dick to put on spankies and hit the women's john for good times

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

Moridin920 posted:

Prove she's not a "real" woman. Now we're back to checking genitals at the door?

Aren't we discussing the discomfort of some? Why is it ok for THESE people to be uncomfortable but not THOSE people? Why do you feel that .6% should be able to dictate what the other 99.3% feels is acceptable when in a place where people are doing the most private of bodily functions?

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Yah but I'm trying to prevent future rapes, not encourage every swinging bizarro dick to put on spankies and hit the women's john for good times

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

quote:

State Law Has Prohibited Discrimination In Public Accommodations Since 2008. In 2008, Colorado expanded its Anti-Discrimination Act, which prohibits discrimination in public accommodations, to include sexual orientation and gender identity as a protected class. [The Denver Post, 5/29/08]

Coalition Against Sexual Assault: Opponents Of Protections Are Creating "Unsubstantiated Fear." Alexa M. Priddy, director of training and communications at the Colorado Coalition Against Sexual Assault, reported no problems as a result of her state's non-discrimination law.

quote:

State Law Has Prohibited Discrimination In Public Accommodations Since 2011. In 2011, Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy signed into law legislation prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations based on gender identity or expression. [Bay Windows, 7/6/11]

State Commission On Human Rights: "Unaware Of Any Sexual Assault." In an email to Media Matters, Jim O'Neill, legislative liaison and spokesman for the Connecticut Commission on Human Rights in Opportunities, reported no problems as a result of the state's non-discrimination law:

quote:

State Law Has Prohibited Discrimination In Public Accommodations Since 2007. In 2007, the Iowa Civil Rights Act was expanded to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in public accommodations. [Iowa Civil Rights Commission, accessed 3/14/14]

Des Moines Police Department: "We Have Not Seen That." In an interview with Media Matters, Des Moines Police Department spokesman Jason Halifax stated that he hadn't seen cases of sexual assault related to the state's non-discrimination ordinance:

We have not seen that. I doubt that's gonna encourage the behavior. If the behavior's there, [sexual predators are] gonna behave as they're gonna behave no matter what the laws are. [Phone interview, 3/13/14]

and it goes on like that for the other states, as well.

I mean......... c'mon dude are you really just incapable of admitting you might be wrong here?

quote:

State Law Has Prohibited Discrimination In Public Accommodations Since 2005. In 2005, Maine adopted legislation prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation. [GLAD, 2/25/14]

State Human Rights Commission: "No Factual Basis" For Sexual Assault Fears. In an email to Media Matters, Executive Director Amy Sneirson of the Maine Human Rights Commission said that the state's non-discrimination law hadn't led to increased sexual assault or rape:

I know that this concern persists but I personally have not seen any factual basis for it.

I am not aware of any increased sexual assault or rape in women's restrooms as a result of Maine's 2005 adoption of protections in the Maine Human Rights Act for sexual orientation (which, in Maine, includes "a person's actual or perceived heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality or gender identity or expression"). [Email exchange, 3/7/14]

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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what if you hook up with a nice sexy man in the local bathroom and then you come back to your place and he's got a vagina?? gross man

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008

by Smythe

Moridin920 posted:

Also again: HOW THE gently caress DO YOU KNOW WHO IS WHO WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR GENITALS???

Answer your own question. How were people finding out they were transexual without the checking of genitals? How did it become an issue if they were so well camouflaged?

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Moridin920 posted:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533




and it goes on like that for the other states, as well.

I mean......... c'mon dude are you really just incapable of admitting you might be wrong here?

spunky is just trying to rationalise his emotional argument because tranny dudes gross him out, like they gross out a huge amount of people imo

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Fog Tripper posted:

Answer your own question. How were people finding out they were transexual without the checking of genitals?

They weren't, they assumed as much based on manner of dress and personal style and several people who are not trans have been kicked out of the bathroom about it. I linked an example earlier.

The original thing was a protection for trans people to prevent that exact thing, which the GOP went into meltdown mode about and passed all kinds of stupid bullshit to counteract it.

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

spunky is just trying to rationalise his emotional argument because tranny dudes gross him out, like they gross out a huge amount of people imo

I'd drop it if he just admitted that instead of acting like he had some reasonable logical basis for his argument.

Reason above all comrades.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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i really wanna see some photos of women kicked out of women's bathrooms for not looking woman enough, if this thread can do me one service that would be it

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533




and it goes on like that for the other states, as well.

I mean......... c'mon dude are you really just incapable of admitting you might be wrong here?

If you make me take Media Matters seriously you have to take Breitbart seriously. Is that a deal

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Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

If you make me take Media Matters seriously you have to take Breitbart seriously. Is that a deal

what's media matters like

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