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Xibanya posted:Today in RWM Two questions, Xibanya. First: have any of these people expressed an opinion directly on the matter of VOICE? Second: is there any redemption for these people?
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Office Pig posted:Two questions, Xibanya. On the first, I looked for it but I haven't seen it as the main focus of an article. If mentioned at all it's a one sentence blip buried deep in the article. I'm sure the spin machine is figuring out how to sell this as not totally fascistic right now and we'll see a bunch of articles defending it in the afternoon and tomorrow. Also my sources for these have been Nattyreview, Fox, Red State, Daily Caller, Infowars, The Blaze, Breitbart, Mark Levin, among others. E: there have been a ton of articles from different sources calling dems evil for not clapping enough though, lol, so it's not like they didn't have time to write an article about the address. As for the second question, search inside your heart. The answer was inside you all along  No
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Mar 1, 2017 16:58
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Xibanya posted:Today in RWM haha Nr. 1, hahaha that is good
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Mar 1, 2017 17:02
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Breitbart has a headline today "CNN poll shows 4 out of 5 Americans think Trump's speech was positive." I asked "why would you trust or quote CNN if it's fake news?" The only answer I got was "the poll is wrong because I'm sure 95% of people loved it" The right has brain damage
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Mar 1, 2017 17:13
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Xibanya posted:
I was wondering why my boss was talking about fake politicians all morning. This loving explains it.
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Push El Burrito posted:I was wondering why my boss was talking about fake politicians all morning. This loving explains it. He listens to Master Shake, I took that one from Master Shake. Congratulations, he gets his opinions from one of the most spiteful cranks in the industry! I guess I should include citations although I'm not sure how I'd do that if multiple sources are using the same dumb talking point. E: on above point, RWM will cite facts and figures from NYT and CNN all the goddamn time. I would NEVER cite a single stat from Fox or NRO. it goes back to how Altemeyer says that an authoritarian follower will believe any source as long as they agree with that source's conclusions.
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Mar 1, 2017 17:21
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Xibanya posted:Today in RWM Being from SC I can tell you with authority that Lindsey Graham is a RINO as well as a race traitor. Not to mention shiftless and no-account. Source: My coworkers.
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Mar 1, 2017 17:28
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Vargatron posted:Being from SC I can tell you with authority that Lindsey Grahamnesty is a RINO as well as a race traitor. Not to mention shiftless and no-account. fixed
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Mar 1, 2017 17:56
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Xibanya posted:I guess I should include citations Source:I'm pretty sure I farted that once.
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Mar 1, 2017 18:38
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Hm, looks like Red State is getting more skeptical of Trump than usual today. (Like NRO they attempt to at least seem reasonable but have mostly been Trump cheerleaders.) Red State posted:When Does “Fake News” Suddenly Become Credible?” Red State posted:Trump Acts as an Anonymous Source After Complaining About Anonymous Sources 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Mar 1, 2017 19:12
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There is no redemption for any of us.
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Mar 1, 2017 19:39
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Xibanya posted:Hm, looks like Red State is getting more skeptical of Trump than usual today. (Like NRO they attempt to at least seem reasonable but have mostly been Trump cheerleaders.) The comments for that first aren't a cesspool, altho there's only 8. Weird
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Mar 1, 2017 19:42
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I saw a tabloid today that said "Hillary admits she's guilty!" or something like that while dropping off my prescriptions today. I didn't have time to stop and look at the paper, any idea what that's about? I'm curious which dumb rear end conspiracy theory they think she's admitting to.
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Mar 1, 2017 20:35
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I saw a tabloid today that said "Hillary admits she's guilty!" or something like that while dropping off my prescriptions today. I didn't have time to stop and look at the paper, any idea what that's about? I'm curious which dumb rear end conspiracy theory they think she's admitting to. https://www.magzter.com/article/Entertainment/Globe/Hillary-Admits-Her-Crimes You be the judge
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Mar 1, 2017 20:48
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I guess Trump's speech must have been really good, Glenn Beck couldn't stop praising it this morning, saying that last night was when Trump truly became President.quote:Bill Nye, a FAKE scientist, got totally owned by Tucker Carlson and exposed as a left-wing shill Bill Nye is a fake scientist though. He's an engineer, and engineers are very much not scientists. However he's made a good amount of money claiming to be a scientist because he hosted a kids' show once, even when he doesn't know what he's talking about (like with Fukushima and anything regarding nuclear power). I saw the clip and he really did do a piss-poor job of defending man-made climate change. Tucker Carlson kept trying to pin him down on a question and he'd dodge it. Even if the question was bullshit (the question was "How much of climate change is due to human activity?") Nye should have addressed it rather than just repeating "The science is settled!" and claiming we'd be having another ice age right now if it wasn't for human activity.
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Mar 1, 2017 21:52
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Sloober posted:https://www.magzter.com/article/Entertainment/Globe/Hillary-Admits-Her-Crimes I thought you were joking, but nope, that's actually what the article says pretty much. She's guilty of something, but we'll let you decide what!
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Mar 1, 2017 21:55
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Twelve by Pies posted:I guess Trump's speech must have been really good, Glenn Beck couldn't stop praising it this morning, saying that last night was when Trump truly became President. It's common GOP anti-science talking points to aim for a specific, you can see this everywhere regarding evolution and 'missing links'. They focus on how not having this exact moment (when monkey became man) the entire thing is discredited. Never mind that specifics can be hard to pin down on things. It's like claiming that any 'theory' hasn't been proven fact yet. Even for evolution you could have a fossil of ever genetic change from our ancestors to now and it would still not be enough because ?????????
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Mar 1, 2017 22:06
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They put a double standard on the burden of proof on what jives with their preexisting biases vs what does not. This is a rather human impulse though, I know if my mom were accused of murder and there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that she did it but not definitive proof I would get hung up on that one thing because nothing short of some sort of undeniable proof would convince me that she would murder someone. And even for that made up scenario it was hard for me to come up with the hypothetical point at which I'd be willing to believe it; virtually nothing can shake my belief that my mom is a great person. The annoying thing is, well cool, we can all have beliefs that we cling to, but it's disingenuous to present yourself as impartial and willing to consider the evidence when you really aren't. I'll be very honest, if you came up to me and were like, let's have a debate over whether or not your mom actually craves the blood of the innocent I'd tell you it's not up for debate and I wouldn't be interested in listening to what you had to say.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:16
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Xibanya posted:They put a double standard on the burden of proof on what jives with their preexisting biases vs what does not. This is a rather human impulse though, I know if my mom were accused of murder and there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that she did it but not definitive proof I would get hung up on that one thing because nothing short of some sort of undeniable proof would convince me that she would murder someone. And even for that made up scenario it was hard for me to come up with the hypothetical point at which I'd be willing to believe it; virtually nothing can shake my belief that my mom is a great person. Son your mom's a killer. I'm sorry you had to hear this from me, but she came after me with a large book of scientific articles and I had to put her down.
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Mar 1, 2017 22:50
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Twelve by Pies posted:I guess Trump's speech must have been really good, Glenn Beck couldn't stop praising it this morning, saying that last night was when Trump truly became President. Oh no I thought Glenn beck was a good guy now did that turn out to be a sham oh no
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Mar 1, 2017 22:58
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Twelve by Pies posted:I saw the clip and he really did do a piss-poor job of defending man-made climate change. Tucker Carlson kept trying to pin him down on a question and he'd dodge it. Even if the question was bullshit (the question was "How much of climate change is due to human activity?") Nye should have addressed it rather than just repeating "The science is settled!" and claiming we'd be having another ice age right now if it wasn't for human activity. And now we get to see this endlessly paraded around by "skeptics" while they ignore actual scientific data.
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Yeah, I get that Carlson's question was definitely a "gotcha" question like the missing link, but I feel that there was probably a better way to respond to it than to say "Humans are responsible for all of the warming and we'd be in an ice age if it wasn't for human activity." Whether that claim is true or not, it can't really be proven, and saying it just gives more ammo to the skeptics. Not that they were going to be convinced anyway, but it still bugs me. Though again, I fully admit I'm biased against Nye because he's shown himself to be a complete idiot at times.
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Mar 1, 2017 23:18
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I thought it was a no win situation for Nye and that's the way Tucker Carlson works. If Nye had made a measured response to Tucker's specific question Tucker still would have demanded an exact number and sources for that. The more Nye explains that he can't give that and why the more Tucker ignores the why and focuses on the lack of an answer. Nye instead seemed to try and stay calm, not yell like Carlson, and hope that people saw him as the reasonable one. Its how Carlson works and the only way to deal with it is to ignore him and not give his show credibility. Its all about bringing frauds or questionably qualified people and then asking them questions you know they can't answer so Carlson can end the segment by smugly insisting he's the reasonable one and they're the liars. If you watch more than two Carlson interviews you see the patterns and it becomes plainly obvious what he does. Its the same old Hannity and Colmes and Five and whatever formula. Demand perfect knowledge from the liberal and ask unfair questions and when they can't give satisfactory answers declare their entire argument wrong. Nye couldn't have beat it because the game is rigged.
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I've listened to Hannity enough times to know how his strawman questions go. Hannity: "You're against teachers in schools being armed? So you're saying you want teachers to be helpless to prevent the murder of students if a deranged gunman showed up?" Guest: "Uh Sean that's not what-" Hannity: "Look it's a simple yes or no question. Are you against teachers being able to protect their students?" Guest: "Look what I'm trying to say is-" Hannity: "Just answer yes, or no, do you want teachers to be able to protect their students?" Guest: "The point I'm trying to make is that giving teachers weapons-" Hannity: "Okay look if you're not going to answer my question, I'm done with you. Good day sir."
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Twelve by Pies posted:I've listened to Hannity enough times to know how his strawman questions go. The guest is probably trying to get out the same argument I had with my old man when he claimed that the university I was TAing at should let me carry while teaching. quote:Now, first things first, I am in the front-center of the room, alone, with no cover except a particle-board podium. A gunman entering the room has a relatively clear shot until that panic starts, if this policy is in place he knows I'm armed, and the element of surprise. Speaking of that panic, my students, being normal people, are more than likely going to jump up and start running, panicking, etc. the moment someone yells "gun", or a shot is taken. Assuming I'm not the first target or he misses me, I am expected to get to cover, draw, and gun down one person among that crowd of panicking students. Now, I'm not a bad shot, but I don't like my odds on that. Even his far-right rear end is sane enough to agree with that. (And, yeah, I know that whole thing sounds like "And then the whole room applauded and that goon's name is Albert Einstein", but I really am verbose and obnoxious enough to talk like that, and there was no one else around to clap. Sorry.  )
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Twelve by Pies posted:Bill Nye is a fake scientist though. He's an engineer, and engineers are very much not scientists. However he's made a good amount of money claiming to be a scientist because he hosted a kids' show once, even when he doesn't know what he's talking about (like with Fukushima and anything regarding nuclear power). He's a science guy. You know, like Alton Brown is a food guy.
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Even if you come up with the absolute slam dunk perfect answer to these gotcha questions, what they do is they just ask the same question again. Then you give the same answer and then they ask the same question again. Then you get a little irritated and give the same drat answer a 3rd time and then they win the argument by pointing out that not only are you being rude you're just repeating the same thing over and over.
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Gustav posted:Even if you come up with the absolute slam dunk perfect answer to these gotcha questions, what they do is they just ask the same question again. Then you give the same answer and then they ask the same question again. Then you get a little irritated and give the same drat answer a 3rd time and then they win the argument by pointing out that not only are you being rude you're just repeating the same thing over and over. Yeah you simply cannot debate these people without moderation from an actually objective third party, which hardly ever happens. They don't argue in good faith. They will repeat lies that have been thoroughly debunked, and sometimes more than once in the same argument. The only way to beat these people on TV is outing them as disingenuous liars when they start with bullshit gotcha questions or stock anti-science talking points.
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Republicans posted:He's a science guy. You know, like Alton Brown is a food guy. Oh gently caress You, Sir Gustav posted:Even if you come up with the absolute slam dunk perfect answer to these gotcha questions, what they do is they just ask the same question again. Then you give the same answer and then they ask the same question again. Then you get a little irritated and give the same drat answer a 3rd time and then they win the argument by pointing out that not only are you being rude you're just repeating the same thing over and over. Confirmed. My dad likes to get into it with me and my brother lately about climate change. He always asks the same bullshit questions that are supposed to just shut me up, but they're laughably easy to answer. He doesn't ever change his tactics, no matter how many times his poo poo is answered. Examples: "Humans being are carbon batteries, what do we do about out growing population" "If sea levels are rising, why are people in Miami still building houses on the waterfront" "Why is Miami not underwater, the same beaches and boardwalks I remember as a kid are still there" "The atmosphere is over 1/3 CO2, how is a colorless, ordorless gas heating the planet?" I just link him to the NASA climate website and tell him to read up now. It's exhausting. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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eNeMeE posted:LIBERAL LIES!!!! There's no such thing as a citation! Fact Check: http://www.britannica.com/topic/Citation-racehorse 
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Crossposting from the Trump Admin thread! The Sessions thing is getting barely any play in RWM-land, lol. It's not even on the front page of The Blaze or National Review. Oh yeah, so, speaking of which, here's what they ARE talking about today, this time with some citations!
Out of all the things to  about here, the Breitbart angle on the anti-semitism wave is the one I'm about the most. Predictable but still so reprehensible. Of course it's the fault of brown people. But now we know pretty clearly what Trump meant by his weird comments about it -- he was probably mangling something he heard Bannon say behind closed doors.
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Xibanya posted:I've noticed since I started reading a ton of RWM that conservative media outlets run articles that are essentially character assassinations of various figures associated with civil rights, feminism, gay rights, etc. and my guess is that it's to discredit those movements in the eyes of their readers without having to get their hands dirty and directly say those movements are bad. You're overcomplicating it. Ad hominem attacks have been the weapon of first resort for anyone trying to push back against social change for pretty much all of history. More often than not, by the time a social movement has enough steam behind it that the establishment notices, it'll already have its position sorted out and its arguments vetted so that it can't be attacked on the merits of its goals, so the opposition has to make do with attacking the character of the movement's membership or outright strawmanning them.
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Xibanya posted:Crossposting from the Trump Admin thread! The Sessions thing is getting barely any play in RWM-land, lol. It's not even on the front page of The Blaze or National Review. Oh yeah, so, speaking of which, here's what they ARE talking about today, this time with some citations! The dumb Eurabia rhetoric is one of my favorite RWM fictions. If the person isn't an utterly hopeless imbecile, it's still possible to turn them around and force some skepticism of sources. Co-worker in 2012 was asking some sincere but pointed questions about Soros one day (just getting a sense of how he's regarded by lefties, I think), and the week after he flat-out stated that Paris specifically and France generally is majority Muslim. I had to pause the conversation and get him to repeat, them told him I've been in France multiple times both in Paris metro area and the more rural parts. Then told him we can look at the world fact book and similar sources if he wants to check the numbers, but for France to go that way there would need to have been a more-than-doubling of the population, or a mass conversion on the level of religious purges by the state, or a quiet unreported death of more than half the French population. None of those things have happened in the last decade, and France has demographics not super different than they had a decade ago. I can't say the co-worker changed his philosophy and politics completely, but stuff like that got him to keep on his continuing education work and generally approach the world as it actually is, rather than the GOP style of paranoid skipping ahead to the worst possible future on every issue.
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I've had discussions with people I game with online and they are hesitant to reveal that they are Muslim if they know they are speaking to an American. A person was from Bangladesh (which is 98% Muslim or something like that) and they got stressed out when they accidentally mentioned "morning prayers". It's really easy to make snap judgements on people when you never have to deal with them but I got a lot of perspective when I started gaming with people from the Middle East/Eastern Asia. A lot of the problem is that rural conservatives literally never have any interaction with Muslims in daily life so they have nothing to check their prejudices against.
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Keeshhound posted:You're overcomplicating it. Ad hominem attacks have been the weapon of first resort for anyone trying to push back against social change for pretty much all of history. This is precisely why Occupy and BLM avoided having leaders who could be demonized. Of course, that was only so effective.
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Vargatron posted:I've had discussions with people I game with online and they are hesitant to reveal that they are Muslim if they know they are speaking to an American. A person was from Bangladesh (which is 98% Muslim or something like that) and they got stressed out when they accidentally mentioned "morning prayers". It's really easy to make snap judgements on people when you never have to deal with them but I got a lot of perspective when I started gaming with people from the Middle East/Eastern Asia. A lot of the problem is that rural conservatives literally never have any interaction with Muslims in daily life so they have nothing to check their prejudices against. Fear drives the right. Fear of people getting what they feel they don't deserve, fear of other religions because they're not milquetoast christian, fear of immigrants taking jobs none of it is rational, but how do you really fight that kind of poo poo short of forced exposure
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Vargatron posted:I've had discussions with people I game with online and they are hesitant to reveal that they are Muslim if they know they are speaking to an American. A person was from Bangladesh (which is 98% Muslim or something like that) and they got stressed out when they accidentally mentioned "morning prayers". It's really easy to make snap judgements on people when you never have to deal with them but I got a lot of perspective when I started gaming with people from the Middle East/Eastern Asia. A lot of the problem is that rural conservatives literally never have any interaction with Muslims in daily life so they have nothing to check their prejudices against. I don't know how it'll shake out (not terribly optimistic considering the scene), but kids playing games are learning some Russian specifically to yell at their online counterparts. The intersectionality of online games is super fascinating.
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I'll never forget when I was driving my nephews to the grocery store... and one of them saw a hindu temple (it's reall quite large and awesome) that had been build in the early 2000's. He wanted to know what the "muslims" were doing in "our territory". We had a long discussion about freedom of religion after that... and also about world religion.
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Chilichimp posted:I'll never forget when I was driving my nephews to the grocery store... and one of them saw a hindu temple (it's reall quite large and awesome) that had been build in the early 2000's. this one, in suburban atlanta? http://www.baps.org/Global-Network/North-America/Atlanta.aspx
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Considering events like the WI Sikh shooting it is surprising to learn that people can't tell the difference between non-xtian religions
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