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UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

Concerned Citizen posted:

the dnc's "piss piper" strategy

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:41

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# ? May 23, 2024 08:43

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Concerned Citizen posted:

i'm talking about the dnc's "pied piper" strategy during the primaries, not hillary's campaign which obviously had its own problems

Just the name "pied piper strategy" should make you pause and reconsider your course of action.

Of course, this is asking way too much from Robbie Mookish and the rest of the clowns in brooklyn.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:45

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Concerned Citizen posted:

i mean why on earth wouldn't a party committee attack the gop frontrunner who says crazy poo poo all the time? what strategy are they supposed to take? pretend he doesn't exist?

tbh it probably would have turned out better if they did

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:45

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Just the name "pied piper strategy" should make you pause and reconsider your course of action.

Of course, this is asking way too much from Robbie Mookish and the rest of the clowns in brooklyn.

well it wasn't a robby mook strategy, nor was it from brooklyn. it was from the dnc dc comms team.

Terror Sweat posted:

tbh it probably would have turned out better if they did

it would have turned out exactly the same, i think. pretty sure trump being the frontrunner is all the cause in the world for him getting enormous amounts of coverage

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:48

The Brown Menace: Dec 24, 2010; Now comes in all colors.

Ace of Baes posted:

Neoliberalism is capitalism as a return/restoration vs capitalism as novelty, it seems to re establish an order with capitalists holding all control and the vast majority of the wealth and resources, this restoration of class role and power through neoliberalism began in the 1970s.

Key factors of neoliberalism include what Mark Fisher describes as a magical inversion disavowel mechanism, in which a false dichotomy of class issues vs identity issues emerges, this is neoliberalisms way of rejecting tangible and matireal conditions and methods for dealing with them. This is seen through a rejection of class issues and class consciousness by viewing societal problems on a hyper individualistic level that fails to adress issues on a structural or systemic basis. This is how neoliberalism solves the paradox of claiming persecution/oppression while obtaining casts amounts of power and wealth.

Neoliberalism is really good at convincing people that it is the only "realistic" mode of society/capitalism which you can see in this very thread by looking at how the people parroting neoliberal rhetoric often attempt to position themselves as the "adult in the room". It's so effective at convincing people of its role at the "end of history" because it lacks a central power or focus, it instead burrows its way into society and peoples view of society in an almost invisible way that saturates every aspect of culture. A third way neoliberalism convinces people of its inevitably is by describing itself as a safe and stable system, capitalists cannot make the argument that neoliberalism is great, or at this point even good, so instead it presents itself as the only alternative to the cruel and dangerous "other" representing any other ideas for governance/society.

This is of course ridiculous as we've all been watching the world rapidly become more and more destabilized both domestically and abroad as a result of neoliberalism, and beyond that neoliberalism, and industrial capitalism in general have only existed for a tiny blip of time in the history of human society.

this is a good post, ill supersize your meal for free for that

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:51

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Concerned Citizen posted:

well it wasn't a robby mook strategy, nor was it from brooklyn. it was from the dnc dc comms team.

it would have turned out exactly the same, i think. pretty sure trump being the frontrunner is all the cause in the world for him getting enormous amounts of coverage

Why is the DNC comms team clearing the field for Hillary? Why is the DNC involved in the republican primary election and not the democrats getting slaughtered in every state? Is that what they usually do?

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:52

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Concerned Citizen posted:

well it wasn't a robby mook strategy, nor was it from brooklyn. it was from the dnc dc comms team.

it would have turned out exactly the same, i think. pretty sure trump being the frontrunner is all the cause in the world for him getting enormous amounts of coverage

i think if the hillary campaign focused more on getting their own message out instead of regurgitating trump sound bites the election would be a bit different

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:53

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

The problem with trying to manipulate the opposing parties primary is that, if you succeed, then the "stronger" candidates weren't going to win anyways, by virtue of not being able to effectively handle you going "Boo this guy!" a few times.

Trump won the primary because he was the strongest candidate and most capable of turning out the base. Despite losing 4 million republicans he managed to energize enough reps to replace what he lost, so that in the future a "civil" person paying lip service to the alt-right will end up with a larger base than if rubio, jeb, christie, etc. had won. People are delusional if they think that Jeb would have caused greater republican gains.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:53

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Ace of Baes posted:

Neoliberalism is capitalism as a return/restoration vs capitalism as novelty, it seems to re establish an order with capitalists holding all control and the vast majority of the wealth and resources, this restoration of class role and power through neoliberalism began in the 1970s.

Key factors of neoliberalism include what Mark Fisher describes as a magical inversion disavowel mechanism, in which a false dichotomy of class issues vs identity issues emerges, this is neoliberalisms way of rejecting tangible and matireal conditions and methods for dealing with them. This is seen through a rejection of class issues and class consciousness by viewing societal problems on a hyper individualistic level that fails to adress issues on a structural or systemic basis. This is how neoliberalism solves the paradox of claiming persecution/oppression while obtaining casts amounts of power and wealth.

Neoliberalism is really good at convincing people that it is the only "realistic" mode of society/capitalism which you can see in this very thread by looking at how the people parroting neoliberal rhetoric often attempt to position themselves as the "adult in the room". It's so effective at convincing people of its role at the "end of history" because it lacks a central power or focus, it instead burrows its way into society and peoples view of society in an almost invisible way that saturates every aspect of culture. A third way neoliberalism convinces people of its inevitably is by describing itself as a safe and stable system, capitalists cannot make the argument that neoliberalism is great, or at this point even good, so instead it presents itself as the only alternative to the cruel and dangerous "other" representing any other ideas for governance/society.

This is of course ridiculous as we've all been watching the world rapidly become more and more destabilized both domestically and abroad as a result of neoliberalism, and beyond that neoliberalism, and industrial capitalism in general have only existed for a tiny blip of time in the history of human society.

Why aren't you the one in Concerned Citizens position and how can we make you run for office

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:54

The Brown Menace: Dec 24, 2010; Now comes in all colors.

Neurolimal posted:

The problem with trying to manipulate the opposing parties primary is that, if you succeed, then the "stronger" candidates weren't going to win anyways, by virtue of not being able to effectively handle you going "Boo this guy!" a few times.

Trump won the primary because he was the strongest candidate and most capable of turning out the base. Despite losing 4 million republicans he managed to energize enough reps to replace what he lost, so that in the future a "civil" person paying lip service to the alt-right will end up with a larger base than if rubio, jeb, christie, etc. had won. People are delusional if they think that Jeb would have caused greater republican gains.

there is no way of paying lip service to the alt right in a civil way because they alt right considers all decorum and tact to be cuckoldry

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:55

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

Like, any possible situation where the dems successfully lock in a weaker enemy is a situation where the dems could win against any of the enemies, because none of them can handle messaging and media during their big fake party feud.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:55

UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

Neurolimal posted:

People are delusional if they think that Jeb would have caused greater republican gains.

are u telling me that The Jebstitution wouldn't have happened

^{^lies}

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:57

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Why is the DNC comms team clearing the field for Hillary? Why is the DNC involved in the republican primary election and not the democrats getting slaughtered in every state? Is that what they usually do?

in the year 2015, there were not very many state level elections for the dnc to get involved in. in fact, the big event was the on-going presidential primary. the dnc comms team, who has the job of promoting democrats and attacking the gop, had to come up with a comms strategy for that year, 2015. it's hard to promote your own candidates in the midst of a competitive primary without making people mad, so the party tends to focus on attacking the other guys. the rnc also focused on attacking the democrats, except they made the decision to focus their fire on the likely democratic nominee, hillary clinton.

the dnc did not "clear the field" for hillary. hillary cleared the field herself - the dem bench was fairly thin and most pols had no desire to go up against her.

# ? Mar 1, 2017 23:58

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Terror Sweat posted:

i think if the hillary campaign focused more on getting their own message out instead of regurgitating trump sound bites the election would be a bit different

ok yes i agree, but that has nothing to do with the dnc comms strategy of 2015.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:00

white sauce: Apr 29, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Concerned Citizen posted:

in the year 2015, there were not very many state level elections for the dnc to get involved in. in fact, the big event was the on-going presidential primary. the dnc comms team, who has the job of promoting democrats and attacking the gop, had to come up with a comms strategy for that year, 2015. it's hard to promote your own candidates in the midst of a competitive primary without making people mad, so the party tends to focus on attacking the other guys. the rnc also focused on attacking the democrats, except they made the decision to focus their fire on the likely democratic nominee, hillary clinton.

the dnc did not "clear the field" for hillary. hillary cleared the field herself - the dem bench was fairly thin and most pols had no desire to go up against her.

Then why did the head of the DNC resign in shame?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:07

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Then why did the head of the DNC resign in shame?

because the story was toxic regardless of truth, and also she was probably due to lose the spot anyway going by historic trends.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:08

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

also she was really bad and pretty much the embodiment everything wrong with the party

perez is still the "establishment" pick, but i have faith he won't worse than DWS levels of bad because... how?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:12

The Brown Menace: Dec 24, 2010; Now comes in all colors.

Gringostar posted:

perez is still the "establishment" pick, but i have faith he won't worse than DWS levels of bad because... how?

hold my gluten-free microbrew

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:13

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Gringostar posted:

trump wants to ban mexicans (re: anyone from any country south of the border) because he knows democrats are secretly all boys from brazil

you'd think he'd be delighted with Hitlers coming into the country

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:14

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Then why did the head of the DNC resign in shame?

dws was (properly) forced out because a handful of emails, combined with her insistence on endorsing hillary while being head of dnc (which is irregular), created the appearance of a bias right as the party was nearing the democratic convention and needed unity. it was also clear that dws saw the emails and did nothing to tamp down on boiling attitudes against the sanders campaign within the dnc as the primary dragged on into april and may. dws also had a lot of enemies in the party, so there was definitely an element of some influential dems having the opportunity to take out the trash.

there is nothing in the emails about clearing the field or whatever. probably the worst one was a staffer (i think some research guy?) suggested that they should spread rumors that sanders was an atheist in west virginia. which, of course, never happened, but the mere idea was bad enough to force his resignation along with a handful of other senior staffers who were on that chain.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:15

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

The Brown Menace posted:

hold my gluten-free microbrew

yeah, i know a monkey's paw just closed the second i posted that

in other news...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/837025150201638913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

:allbuttons:

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:15

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

DWS' greatest sin is that she actually was extremely mediocre in every way. If she was as catastrophic as some think she was she'd at least be funny but really she was just a useless wonk type that did almost nothing new and filled the exact role of the job and nothing more/bigger.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:15

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Tatum Girlparts posted:

DWS' greatest sin is that she actually was extremely mediocre in every way. If she was as catastrophic as some think she was she'd at least be funny but really she was just a useless wonk type that did almost nothing new and filled the exact role of the job and nothing more/bigger.

good thing the party isn't infested with those types

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:16

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

Tatum Girlparts posted:

DWS' greatest sin is that she actually was extremely mediocre in every way. If she was as catastrophic as some think she was she'd at least be funny but really she was just a useless wonk type that did almost nothing new and filled the exact role of the job and nothing more/bigger.

shilling for payday loans is really loving bad

it's especially bad for democrats

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:17

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Tatum Girlparts posted:

DWS' greatest sin is that she actually was extremely mediocre in every way. If she was as catastrophic as some think she was she'd at least be funny but really she was just a useless wonk type that did almost nothing new and filled the exact role of the job and nothing more/bigger.

she raised a lot of money so there was that, at least. she was just bad at everything else.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:17

ThndrShk2k: Nov 3, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo; Bread Liar

If you elect me in 2020 I will use my power as president and commander in chief of the military to force the Army Corps of Engineers to build and keep building.

It doesn't matter what they build as long as it's built. It could be many things.

And it'll be more successful than the mexico wall.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:22

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:22

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

ThndrShk2k posted:

If you elect me in 2020 I will use my power as president and commander in chief of the military to force the Army Corps of Engineers to build and keep building.

It doesn't matter what they build as long as it's built. It could be many things.

And it'll be more successful than the mexico wall.

Will you build me a tree house?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:23

UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

FactsAreUseless posted:

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:24

ThndrShk2k: Nov 3, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo; Bread Liar

I am legit mad no one has made a "Trickle Down" economy joke involving piss.

Shame on all of you

:sad:

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:24

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

ThndrShk2k posted:

If you elect me in 2020 I will use my power as president and commander in chief of the military to force the Army Corps of Engineers to build and keep building.

It doesn't matter what they build as long as it's built. It could be many things.

And it'll be more successful than the mexico wall.

i'd love it if we actually used a very mall part of our massive military budget to have the army core of engineers and army doctors go around the world and do a bunch of work with/for poor countries

# ? Mar 2, 2017 00:24