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For my money, there isn't a better shoe on TV than The Walking Dead! So glad my sole mate back!
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Did that guy ever make more protractor Neegan pictures?
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Mar 1, 2017 22:48
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Rick is also really good at getting blood in his beard.
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Mar 2, 2017 00:52
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You know one thing that interests me is that Negan's carrot strategy is way more effective than the stick.
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Mar 2, 2017 01:35
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His pickle strategy is way more effective than the bat.
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Mar 2, 2017 01:43
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Kelly posted:Why don't they just pack up and head to Minneapolis? They can take over a block of buildings, use the skywalks to get from place to place during the winter to avoid the streets. And the stupid walkers won't be able to survive a winter up there. Assuming World War Z rules, that is. I like the idea of there being somewhere chill and good where society is already pretty much rebuilt and meanwhile there are these groups of idiots who gave up on going anywhere and settle for living in model homes in a poorly protected suburb or literal mountains of trash while constantly warring with each other
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Mar 2, 2017 04:26
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Parity warning posted:I like the idea of there being somewhere chill and good where society is already pretty much rebuilt and meanwhile there are these groups of idiots who gave up on going anywhere and settle for living in model homes in a poorly protected suburb or literal mountains of trash while constantly warring with each other They should rip off the World War Z ending from the book when it turns out the United States Army was actually hold up rebuilding somewhere and every one of those little garbage kingdoms the fought so hard to establish their borders just got completely utterly rolled by tanks unless they immediately surrendered to the United States government. That would be a comedy gold ending on this show.
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Mar 2, 2017 06:37
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That would be a great ending and it's not like the WWZ movie is using it.
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Mar 2, 2017 06:58
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Reminds me of Jericho. Sad that it was cancelled.
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Mar 2, 2017 08:20
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still missin' dat tank
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Mar 2, 2017 08:45
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the zombies can never be a realistic threat unless you just have the "zombie virus" be like this weird airborne thing that hits all of humanity at once, so quickly that only a few stragglers are left at the end Cuz "slow retarded people with no weapons" doesn't strike me as much of a threat to a military force Which is probably why we've never had any zombie movie get into how all the militaries of the world can't deal with this poo poo
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Mar 2, 2017 08:55
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Zzulu posted:the zombies can never be a realistic threat unless you just have the "zombie virus" be like this weird airborne thing that hits all of humanity at once, so quickly that only a few stragglers are left at the end Depends on the zombie. Return of the Living Dead zombies, for example, are on the other end of the power spectrum. You can't destroy them and even if you nuke them they'll just make more; the recent AND distant departed are all brought back into the fold, and they're intelligent enough to use basic equipment, speak, and lay traps. I legitimately don't think you can come up with a way to forge any civilization with this kind of zombie around. Running zombies are a good compromise. They're far, far more dangerous than shambling zombies; having a turn time of a few minutes to a MAX of a few hours makes a huge difference too. Too short and it could be quarantined (28 Days Later), too long and it could be dispatched before any major uprisings happen (most zombie things). Really in the modern zombie setting I think running zombies are almost the go-to. I wish Walking Dead's universe had running zombies for the first few weeks of being a zombie, at least; it's something they always toy with but never commit to.
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Mar 2, 2017 09:24
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Yes but even "running zombies" are defeated by "doors" and "walls" and "holes in teh ground" let alone "tanks and firing lines"
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Mar 2, 2017 09:39
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If the show had 28 days later style "zombies" (even if it was only the fresh ones) I doubt any of the current characters would still be alive. Even with a military-run quarantined area in 28 weeks later they still got basically wiped out because of just one infected person getting in. They would have to treat the zombies like actual threats which would prevent them from doing any of the stupid comic book governor/negan super villain poo poo they have been focusing on lately. That said, it would make the show better, but that is apparently counter to the show runners' goals.
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Mar 2, 2017 09:40
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yeah I eat rear end posted:If the show had 28 days later style "zombies" (even if it was only the fresh ones) I doubt any of the current characters would still be alive. Even with a military-run quarantined area in 28 weeks later they still got basically wiped out because of just one infected person getting in. They would have to treat the zombies like actual threats which would prevent them from doing any of the stupid comic book governor/negan super villain poo poo they have been focusing on lately. I really want a show to finally ACTUALLY do the "they can run at first, but then they shamble" bullshit that's been touted around since the first Dawn of the Dead. I mean it'd work perfectly because then you'd have the serious threat zombies (esp. in the first few weeks of the outbreak) blitzing around and going to town, and then you have the slow zombies several months in that get slower each year. You want more fresh zombies? Have some people shoot up a bunch of survivors. Bang, now you've got fast movers again. Or the occasional stray fast mover that died off camera. There's no reason slow and fast zombies can't exist in the same thing, and in fact, it solves a lot of problems if they do. ED: I still like the plot twist in Left 4 Dead that all the survivors that don't turn are infected carriers; that allows fast turning zombies yet STILL allow a reasonable way for them to spread past borders. Somewhere in there, between all that, there's a really refined zombie concept.
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Mar 2, 2017 10:35
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The simple truth is that there is really no situation outside of something like the effectively magical zombies of Return of the Living Dead where zombies are an existential threat to civilization, let alone humanity. At the end of the day, no matter how many of them there are, even if they can run, they are still what amounts to a massive riot without weapons or organization. Large scales riots/armies with organization and weaponry can and have been defeated. The zombie horde stands no chance. And the whole transmission thing isn't really an issue, either. If you have to get bit to turn, then there is a super drat obvious transmission vector and it is really easy to visibly tell who is and is not infected. Not to mention there are tons of materials you can wear that human teeth can not possibly bite through - plus the aforementioned issue of the humans having the benefit of ranged combat. And if the thing making the zombies is some sort of airborne disease that kills you and causes you to rise again, then its the disease and not the zombies that is the actual threat and the zombies are just kind of an annoying side-nuisance. Honestly I think the best way to do a zombie story if you want to try for 'realism' is to just keep it small. Zombies can't be an existential threat to nations or the species, sure, but they can still gently caress over a small town, maybe even a proper city depending on the particulars. You can get a good miniseries or film out of a more contained and localized zombie outbreak. EDIT: And all that above without mentioning non-human threats to the zombies like decay/rot and predation by animals. It is our use of tools and organization that has allowed us to survive as a species. Humans that could not use tools or work together would have been quickly eaten by wolves and poo poo. Like zombies presumably will be. Plus humans have a survival instinct zombies presumably lack.
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Mar 2, 2017 14:32
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:You can get a good miniseries or film out of a more contained and localized zombie outbreak. Have you seen R.E.C.?
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Mar 2, 2017 15:59
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Or the Santa Clarita Diet?
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I think the bigger threat from zombies would be people saying, "zombie apocalypse, woo!!" and deciding that society was over.
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Mar 2, 2017 16:21
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Or the Santa Clarita Diet? SCD is a delightful little show.
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Mar 2, 2017 16:48
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John F Bennett posted:Have you seen R.E.C.? That's my favourite zombie-style horror movie! Quarantine, on the other hand, is just fuckin hot garbage. But so are the sequels to [REC], so 
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Mar 2, 2017 17:14
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Johnny Truant posted:That's my favourite zombie-style horror movie! You did not just insult Rec 2. Rec 2 owns, and even retroactively improves Rec
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Mar 2, 2017 17:18
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Them having Rick wake up Day of the Triffids style was a pretty good shout really - I can't think how they'd have made the apocalypse work otherwise unless everyone suddenly got infected at once.
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Mar 2, 2017 17:21
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Guy Goodbody posted:You did not just insult Rec 2. Rec 2 owns, and even retroactively improves Rec It's been a long time since I saw the second so maybe I'm misremembering. Isn't that the like super heavy religious one that ends with the protagonist(still the female reporter...?) getting pulled into the bathtub right at the end? I know the most recent Rec movie, 4 I think it was, was just a fun romp. It was a wedding-themed one, and had a decent enough ending.
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Mar 2, 2017 17:28
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Taear posted:Them having Rick wake up Day of the Triffids style was a pretty good shout really - I can't think how they'd have made the apocalypse work otherwise unless everyone suddenly got infected at once. Someone (not amc) should make a series based on day of the triffids
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Mar 2, 2017 17:33
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:Someone (not amc) should make a series based on day of the triffids There have been two mini-series and a movie
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Mar 2, 2017 17:37
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Zombie physiology is such a magical concept. Like, if you are a disembodied zombie head, where the hell are your jaw muscles getting blood flow and depositing lactic acid? If it's screaming, where the hell is the air coming from? I want Eugene to give a detailed brief on Zombie's, and give us detailed examples of his theories. 
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Mar 2, 2017 18:04
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think the bigger threat from zombies would be people saying, "zombie apocalypse, woo!!" and deciding that society was over. This is really it, the zombie apocalypse in my opinion could end the world (or not) due to three things. 1. The institutions that keep water, food, and the peace stable all having to try and fix things at the same time. 2. Mass hysteria on the part of people, which causes us to go to the supermarkets or loot and not only make exposure easier but also make the police and army's work harder. 3. The dead loving coming back to life is such a perversion of the natural order that people are going to be freaking out and adapting to a Walking Dead style "every death is a zombie" will be culturally hard to accept. 4. People who prepare for the world ending are just itching for the world to end, and they are far more dangerous than any zombie.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:The simple truth is that there is really no situation outside of something like the effectively magical zombies of Return of the Living Dead where zombies are an existential threat to civilization, let alone humanity. At the end of the day, no matter how many of them there are, even if they can run, they are still what amounts to a massive riot without weapons or organization. Large scales riots/armies with organization and weaponry can and have been defeated. The zombie horde stands no chance. And the whole transmission thing isn't really an issue, either. If you have to get bit to turn, then there is a super drat obvious transmission vector and it is really easy to visibly tell who is and is not infected. Not to mention there are tons of materials you can wear that human teeth can not possibly bite through - plus the aforementioned issue of the humans having the benefit of ranged combat. And if the thing making the zombies is some sort of airborne disease that kills you and causes you to rise again, then its the disease and not the zombies that is the actual threat and the zombies are just kind of an annoying side-nuisance. Another thing I like from the almost hidden storyline of Left 4 Dead is the zombie virus is completely Airborne so if you're not essentially a carrier and otherwise immune you're going to get infected every time you encounter them regardless it definitely makes it a bit more plausible.
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Mar 3, 2017 02:43
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clown shoes posted:SCD is a delightful little show. I'm watching it the strange reactions to the people I know are intentional but it definitely makes it a little hard to kind of settle into it. Everyone seems way too calm for what's happening but what's going on but that's partly because of the comedic style I suppose. I'm only a few episodes in so I'm not judging anything yet of course.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I'm watching it the strange reactions to the people I know are intentional but it definitely makes it a little hard to kind of settle into it. Everyone seems way too calm for what's happening but what's going on but that's partly because of the comedic style I suppose. SCD really picks up after the 4th or 5th episode - good stuff.
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Mar 3, 2017 20:20
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Kelly posted:SCD really picks up after the 4th or 5th episode - good stuff. Yea it gets addictive
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Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check them out. Like, honestly, I kind of want to see zombie media get back to the roots of what speculative fiction arguably is; the introduction of some fictional element and an examination of how the world reacts and adapts to it. The dead are rising and killing the living; how does society change in response to this? Like as batshit and goofy as the Resident Evil games are, that's something I gotta laud them for; the BSAA and poo poo of the later games; the series acknowledges that the zaniness of the zombies and other mutants have irrevocably altered the world and that Things Are Different. Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead are basically perfect for what they are and wont be topped. Romero had the right idea with Day of the Dead, as did Bannon and friends with Return of the Living Dead. "Zombie apocalypse!" is not really fertile ground anymore. Do something new and interesting. But this is the Walking Dead so... how about that Negan guy, eh? EDIT: I suppose what I'm getting at is that while zombies cannot be an existential threat, unless it's like a one-off outbreak that had non-reproducible factors leading to it, there is no way that the existence/threat of zombies wouldn't radically change the way human cultures and societies do things. That's interesting! Explore that!
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Mar 3, 2017 20:25
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clown shoes posted:SCD is a delightful little show.
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Mar 3, 2017 21:12
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SCD is great, but if you want Olyphant and zombies, the remake of The Crazies is superb. And precisely hits the "not an existential threat to humanity, but a loving nightmare if you're in the small town with the outbreak" scenario.
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Mar 3, 2017 23:27
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Why doesn't SCD have its own thread yet? Oh man that show is great! I had pretty high expectations based on the cast, and it exceeded them
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Mar 3, 2017 23:43
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aBagorn posted:Why doesn't SCD have its own thread yet? Oh man that show is great! I had pretty high expectations based on the cast, and it exceeded them There's only a relative handful of posters that like to start threads, and I guess none of them were watching the show when it came out.
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Mar 3, 2017 23:48
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aBagorn posted:Why doesn't SCD have its own thread yet? Oh man that show is great! I had pretty high expectations based on the cast, and it exceeded them
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coyo7e posted:I wasn't really interested in it but then I realized that one of the leads is the guy from "Justified", so I figure I'll give it a shot sooner rather than later If you reference Timothy Olyphant from anything other than Deadwood there is no hope for mankind.
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Flimflam Man posted:If you reference Timothy Olyphant from anything other than Deadwood there is no hope for mankind. My Name is Earl.  
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