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The snitch exists so Harry can be a hero with a game winning play, it doesn't matter how the game works This sort of thinking is responsible for all the insufferable 'magic system' dreck that gets published now that boils down to the characters rules lawyering each other around a D&D handbook. And I like Sanderson!
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Rothfuss is garbage, but the Cthaeh helped inspire the Prometheus part of the below, so I forgive him a little. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/27/a-modern-myth/ Strategic Tea posted:The snitch exists so Harry can be a hero with a game winning play, it doesn't matter how the game works Garbage narrative design justifies garbage rules design, got it. The snitch exist so that Harry can be the center of every game and make everyone else irrelevant by design, rather than through their own failures or successes.
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Feb 28, 2017 20:54
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The point is the rules design is irrelevant to what the game serves to accomplish.
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anilEhilated posted:The point is the rules design is irrelevant to what the game serves to accomplish. The rules design is incredibly relevant to whether the game actually accomplishes that purpose. If the rules of the game were that Snape kicked every seeker in the junk as hard as he could, and the winner was the last one to scream "ow, my balls," would this accomplish Rowling's purpose if Harry had the exceptional willpower to ignore severe scrotal pain? To cretinous 11 year old boys, quite possibly. Quidditch is just "ow, my balls" with a higher threshold of IQ and discerning taste required to call bullshit on the enterprise.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:11
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quiddiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
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Wxhode posted:The rules design is incredibly relevant to whether the game actually accomplishes that purpose. If the rules of the game were that Snape kicked every seeker in the junk as hard as he could, and the winner was the last one to scream "ow, my balls," would this accomplish Rowling's purpose if Harry had the exceptional willpower to ignore severe scrotal pain? To cretinous 11 year old boys, quite possibly. 1) Since human civilization began we have been genital centric. Don't be such a prude. I'll kick your high horse in the dick. 2) Quidditch owns. I would watch it if it was real. It's basketball where you can't foul out the opponents and make the last 3 minutes of the game take an hour.
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Feb 28, 2017 21:48
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More like quit it-ch.
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Quidditch sounds like a lovely spectator sport. Anyway, I think the Cthaeh scene was the only redeemable part of that book. Until I discovered it was spelled that way. Maybe it's not so unique as it sounded to me, but I thought a malicious, unseen oracle was really cool. The reader for the audiobooks used a Cheshire Cat type voice and inflection for his dialogue, too. That doesn't even remotely making me want to forgive him for sleepaway fairy sex camp or sleepaway ninja sex camp, though. Why are all these fantasy authors constantly writing their own spank bank material???
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Feb 28, 2017 22:22
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Malpais Legate posted:That doesn't even remotely making me want to forgive him for sleepaway fairy sex camp or sleepaway ninja sex camp, though. Why are all these fantasy authors constantly writing their own spank bank material??? Are authors just very good at convincing editors the weird sex stuff is plot critical? Do publishers figure that I'd lame weird sex scenes sell romance novels they must sell other novels? Set aside why Rothfuss would write sex ninjas and ask who in the chain of publication allowed him to get to sex ninjas without stopping him.
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Feb 28, 2017 22:44
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That's always what gets me for these Bad Ideas. Not weird word choices or questionable ethics but whole plot details for sexy times in non romance novels. It isn't that one person thought it was a good idea. It's that several people signed off on it.
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Feb 28, 2017 23:18
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GRRM wrote a sex scene between two women that described a vagina as a "Myrish swamp" but I think at that point he told his editors to go gently caress themselves and that's how that got in there.
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Feb 28, 2017 23:28
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 If you don't think this is hot as hell then you can gently caress off.
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Feb 28, 2017 23:37
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The sex ninjas are so well hidden I can't even see them!
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Benson Cunningham posted:The sex ninjas are so well hidden I can't even see them! You can't even see their clothes, so hot.
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The kinds of dudes that enjoy fairysexninjas are inevitably the same kinds of dudes that roll their eyes and make cracks about women reading romance novels. The difference is you won't find massive, vaguely incestuous communities devoted to insisting the latter is High Concept Literature.
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Reene posted:The kinds of dudes that enjoy fairysexninjas are inevitably the same kinds of dudes that roll their eyes and make cracks about women reading romance novels. You should go on a field trip to some Twlight and 50 Shades of Grey communities.
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Reene posted:
Hello, you must be very new to the internet.
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Unless you've masturbated to sex ninjas it would be impossible to describe "High Concept Literature" to you.
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Reene posted:The kinds of dudes that enjoy fairysexninjas are inevitably the same kinds of dudes that roll their eyes and make cracks about women reading romance novels. When my wife was just my girlfriend back in college, she rented an apartment that was the converted third floor of some lady's house. When she googled the lady's name before signing the lease, she found out that the woman was the number one Dark Shadows fan fiction writer on the internet. Gender is no barrier to insanity.
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Benson Cunningham posted:When my wife was just my girlfriend back in college, she rented an apartment that was the converted third floor of some lady's house. When she googled the lady's name before signing the lease, she found out that the woman was the number one Dark Shadows fan fiction writer on the internet. I think most fan fiction writers are women particularly when you get into the sexual fan fiction. See 50 shades of grey and all.
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Even with 50 Shades I haven't seen a lot of public cries of it being deep, high-concept literature, much less from other high-profile authors. It being popular isn't the same thing as people claiming (literally or figuratively) that it's the next Lord of the Rings.
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Mar 1, 2017 18:42
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Hughlander posted:I think most fan fiction writers are women particularly when you get into the sexual fan fiction. See 50 shades of grey and all. For every chick writing about 50 Shades of Grey there are five guys describing how pikachu's dick feels in jesse's vagina.
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I assume there is high-concept romance out there just like there's a more literary end of SFF (not Kingkiller), but I can't say I've ever heard what's supposed to be in it. I guess you have to be in the circles. Or maybe people doing that get shaded into 'literary'/'mainstream' fiction more easily, SFF and Romance aren't really similar categories other than being called 'genres'.
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Benson Cunningham posted:For every chick writing about 50 Shades of Grey there are five guys describing how pikachu's dick feels in jesse's vagina. Errr having been to fanfic conventions I've got to say you're really wrong. Fanfic is overwhelmingly dominated by women. Over 80% dominated.
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PJOmega posted:Errr having been to fanfic conventions I've got to say you're really wrong. Fanfic is overwhelmingly dominated by women. Over 80% dominated. I was being hyperbolic. But also, that's a false correlation. You can say that the attendance rate at fanfic conventions is heavily in favor of women, but that doesn't imply anything about the overall gender percentages of fanfic writers.
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I think women in general are more cognisant that their schlock is schlock and men tend to want to justify their schlock by trying to elevate its merits. 50 Shades of Grey readers aren't in a hurry to stack it next to Jane Austen but you'll see a huge amount of threads upset that literary communities doesn't take game of thrones or kingkiller seriously.
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Benson Cunningham posted:For every chick writing about 50 Shades of Grey there are five guys describing how pikachu's dick feels in jesse's vagina. Reminder for those who don't know or forgot: 50 Shades of Grey started as a Twilight fanfic.
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Benson Cunningham posted:I was being hyperbolic. But also, that's a false correlation. You can say that the attendance rate at fanfic conventions is heavily in favor of women, but that doesn't imply anything about the overall gender percentages of fanfic writers. Okie dokie. Gotta hand it to you, you're definitely being really Rothfussian in the Rothfuss thread. A+
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Benson Cunningham posted:I was being hyperbolic. But also, that's a false correlation. You can say that the attendance rate at fanfic conventions is heavily in favor of women, but that doesn't imply anything about the overall gender percentages of fanfic writers. How is it a false correlation? Are you saying it's a lie, that there's data contradicting his (widespread) belief and lying eyes, or that anything that disagrees with what you believe is necessarily false? I gather you've read a bunch of pokemon fanfic and other weird, pervy corners with lots of men, but your dismissal of the famous women-dominated fanfic smut that has been rampant since early Usenet days is pretty odd. Syzygy Stardust fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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I'm pointing out that people willing to attend an event are not necessarily representative of everyone who partakes in said event. That's all. The only other thing I said was a joke about fan fiction in general that is now being plugged as my fetish. I guess I could do worse though, I could have a platonic sex fantasy like ninjas who don't know where babies come from.
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Because I feel safe to be pedantic in this thread, I want to make sure everybody knows that "high-concept" doesn't mean smart or heady even though it's often misused this way. It means that by explaining the premise of a story, you're explaining the story itself. A lot of the time it describes dumb, boring schlock. Thanks for reading my post and God bless
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So did Rothfuss just write his Auri-stand-in character for Torment: Tides of Numenera, or did he work on the main script? Because drat, 20 minutes in and this is... Rothfussian. "Still the attackers keep coming. They fight as if your destruction were demanded of them." Yes soldiers do fight because the destruction of the enemy IS demanded of them, that's what war is. "The door squeaks quietly, the sound like a bell in your memory." Squeak, bell, whatever.
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StonecutterJoe posted:So did Rothfuss just write his Auri-stand-in character for Torment: Tides of Numenera, or did he work on the main script? Because drat, 20 minutes in and this is... Rothfussian. How much of a contribution did he make to the game? Because that is painful.
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Dammit I was excited about that game too, I loved Planescape. How much of it has he mucked up? God drat does he seem to have a thing for street urchins.
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shirts and skins posted:Dammit I was excited about that game too, I loved Planescape. The writing is thesaurus-ised to within an inch of its life, but it's much more morally murky than anything you'd expect Rothfuss to write. And his character, Rhin, is actually really loving good.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The writing is thesaurus-ised to within an inch of its life, but it's much more morally murky than anything you'd expect Rothfuss to write. Hi Pat! When will the book be done?
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And another thing! Musicians don't really care if someone tunes their stringed instrument because its an arbitrary process to retune it if needs be. Like its the very first thing they teach you is how to tune it. I can see getting a bit annoyed, but I'd think someone that would get mad about tuning wouldn't let someone else touch their instrument at all (I actually know a few people like this).
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Solice Kirsk posted:And another thing! Musicians don't really care if someone tunes their stringed instrument because its an arbitrary process to retune it if needs be. Like its the very first thing they teach you is how to tune it. I can see getting a bit annoyed, but I'd think someone that would get mad about tuning wouldn't let someone else touch their instrument at all (I actually know a few people like this). I don't know about all that. I play guitar and split 50/50 between standard and open g tuning. It irks me when someone just starts turning tuning keys without at least asking. And if someone takes the open g guitar to standard they never put it back.
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Yeah, irksome. I may be remembering incorrectly, but doesn't he say its like the worst thing you can do to a musician's instrument?
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