RyuHimora posted:

Ryzen was never going to be better than Intel. But you're going to be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a Ryzen chip and an Intel chip in a game, especially in DX12 or Vulkan games.

PC LOAD LETTER posted:

Yup. With Ryzen they've gotten close enough to Intel's latest core performance to not matter for most things while still selling for much less. That is the best you could realistically hope for with Ryzen.

If you want something that will maaaaaybe go toe to toe with or even beat Intel's best you'll have to wait for Zen+. They'll probably sell it for a whole lot though. AMD was always perfectly willing to charge top dollar if they actually had a performance lead.

RyuHimora posted:

We won't know for at least one more day though.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Anandtech interview with Dr. Su: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11177/making-amd-tick-a-very-zen-interview-with-dr-lisa-su-ceo

Boiled Water posted:

I'm still confused about pins. Why pins instead of LGA?

eames posted:

this youtuber has a bunch of 1800X + GTX1080 gameplay videos on his channel. The CPU core utilization on the OSD is interesting (and disappointing).

NDA expires in a few minutes.

Paul MaudDib posted:

hmm, yase, those 4K videos surely are not GPU-bound, definitely a legitimate test of Ryzen performance

repiv posted:

^ your GamersNexus embed is busted

Paul MaudDib posted:

for the record y'all should post ... techreport ... as soon as they are live

eames posted:

Disabling SMT in BF1 gives a stock 1800X the same performance as 1800X @ 3.9 Ghz and increases minimum framerates by 50%.

"You're better off disabling SMT than overclocking, although if you do both you'll get more of an performance jump."

Looks like their neural network threadripper still has some learning to do.

repiv posted:

Do we know if Microsoft have pushed out Zen support in the Windows kernel yet? Linux needed an update to detect Zens SMT layout and schedule around it correctly.

anandtech interview posted:

Q4: With Bulldozer, AMD had to work with Microsoft due to the way threads were dispatched to cores to ensure proper performance. Even though Zen doesn't have that issue, was there any significant back-and-forth with Microsoft to enable performance in Windows (e.g. XFR?)

Dr. Lisa Su: Zen is a pretty traditional x86 architecture as an overall machine, but there is optimization work to do. What makes this a bit different is that most of our optimization work is more on the developer side – we work with them to really understanding the bottlenecks in their code on our microarchitecture. I see many apps being tuned and getting better going on as we work forward on this.

BurritoJustice posted:

So it's basically the same case as with 7700K vs 5820K for gamers. Non-game performance is massively superior but they don't make sense for average gamers. Ryzen will replace Broadwell/Haswell-E for the vast majority of power and workstation users, but the 7700K is still the gaming sweetspot. Before going for more cores, go for running a 7700K at 5.1GHz+ and getting fuckoff fast DDR4 for gaming.

Don Lapre posted:

b b b but i thought it was gonna make intel have to basically give the 7700k away because it was going to be such a gaming monster

Paul MaudDib posted:

and that day jack learned that he shouldn't buy the box of magic beans before the giant produced bench tests that proved the performance

Paul MaudDib posted:

edit: GN 21:00-ish: AMD inflated the "leaked" benchmarks by various methods - including removing skybox in some games, changing up the perspective in "standard" game benchmarks, etc

eames posted: