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nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

new phone who dis posted:

Show me evidence instead of an assertion and I'll happily debate it's veracity with you. Until then, it's just a bunch of people making claims that just so happen to back up their preferred candidate with zero evidence.

uh

dude

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/

read. learn. think.

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sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

new phone who dis posted:

Show me evidence instead of an assertion and I'll happily debate it's veracity with you. Until then, it's just a bunch of people making claims that just so happen to back up their preferred candidate with zero evidence.

The evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

What, in it, would you like to dispute? If the argument is "I can't see the classified sections so it's all made up" then there's no point talking with you.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:00

LGD: Sep 25, 2004

Moridin920 posted:

Bro there's a wide gap in between "giving them the benefit of the doubt and ignore it" and "hang 'em all!"

Such as, we can investigate the substance of those meetings/calls to see if they are relevant to what Al Franken was talking about. This isn't some smoking gun on its own and to act otherwise is silly.

Sounds like he just met that dude in the course of meeting 25 other ambassadors.

He met with him separately on another occasion.

And what was actually said can be investigated, but the actual content of the meetings is entirely irrelevant to the issue of the current AG perjuring himself/making false statements under oath during his confirmation hearing and in a subsequent written statement. Sessions is an untrustworthy reactionary gently caress who is unqualified to hold the office he does, what he did or didn't say to an agent of the Russian state is entirely secondary to that.

LGD fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Mar 2, 2017

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nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

like, lol if you think there isnt any evidence?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/meet-fancy-bear-the-russian-group-hacking-the-us-election?utm_term=.ssrDY3aGX#.xm1Wyk7Nn

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:02

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

sincx posted:

possible collusion with Russia and clearly committing perjury.

Even your own side is :yikes:

with you at this point.

You are a loon, dude.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:03

Tinestram: Jan 13, 2006; Excalibur? More like "Needle"; Grimey Drawer

Poetic Justice posted:

More information is always good, and I also welcome knowing what the meetings were about. I think too many people want to jump to a guilty conclusion just because of personal political beliefs, and IMO that's not a good or healthy thing to do.

Counterpoint: you're a pizzagater.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:04

new phone who dis: May 24, 2007; by VideoGames; Morbid Hound

sincx posted:

The evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

What, in it, would you like to dispute? If the argument is "I can't see the classified sections so it's all made up" then there's no point talking with you.

Go ahead and post the parts of the report that show evidence in the thread. I'll wait.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:05

Toadvine: Mar 16, 2009; Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

runupon cracker posted:

Counterpoint: you're a pizzagater.

That's not even a remotely contrasting counterpoint!

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Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

LGD posted:

And what was actually said can be investigated, but the actual content of the meetings is entirely irrelevant to the issue of the current AG perjuring himself/making false statements under oath during his confirmation hearing and in a subsequent written statement.

Holy poo poo the content of the meetings is entirely the hinge on whether or not what he said was perjury because he was obviously answering Al Franken's question not talking about in general out of the blue.

It's like if someone asked me "hey have any Russians talked to you about treason against the USA?" and I go "no I haven't talked to any Russians wtf?" and then laters someone goes "AHA YOU TALKED TO IVAN BORLAV A YEAR AGO LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!"

Well I didn't lie if Ivan Borlav was just telling me about a great new deal on Russian Ushankas. It's not a lie because "I haven't talked to any Russians" was specifically in the context of the question that was just asked.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:06

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Moridin920 posted:

Bro there's a wide gap in between "giving them the benefit of the doubt and ignore it" and "hang 'em all!"

Such as, we can investigate the substance of those meetings/calls to see if they are relevant to what Al Franken was talking about. This isn't some smoking gun on its own and to act otherwise is silly.

Sounds like he just met that dude in the course of meeting 25 other ambassadors.

From earlier:

From the AP:
"Sessions had more than 25 conversations with foreign ambassadors last year in his role as a U.S. senator and senior member of the Armed Services Committee, and had two separate interactions with Kislyak, the department confirmed.

One was a visit in September in his capacity as a senator, similar to meetings with envoys from Britain, China, Germany and other nations, the department said.

The other occurred in a group setting following a Heritage Foundation speech that Sessions gave during the Republican National Convention, when several ambassadors - including the Russian - approached him after the talk as he was leaving the stage, according to the department."

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sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

Fog Tripper posted:

Even your own side is with you at this point.

You are a loon, dude.

So you have no argument, and you're deflecting in a vain attempt to please your /pol/ masters. See I can do ad hominem attacks too.

https://twitter.com/NancyPelosi/status/837152985620807680

No one on "my side" is trying to excuse perjury. Hell, even Pelosi, who lacks a backbone and voted for a bunch of Trump appointees, is calling for Sessions' resignation.

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nigga crab pollock: Mar 26, 2010; by Lowtax

you are buying into a fantasy

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Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Just because the Dems are saying it is true doesn't make it so lol, if that was how poo poo worked then Obama would have been impeached for lack of birth certificate 2 months in.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:08

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

quote:

The first occurred after a Heritage Foundation event during the Republican National Convention in July, when the department says a group of envoys - including the Russian ambassador - approached Sessions. The second was a September conversation, which the department likened to the more than 25 conversations Sessions had with foreign ambassadors last year as a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Like bro come the gently caress on lmao what substance could either of those two "meetings" have had?

That first one is just like "hey here's a group of foreign envoys let's shake hands"

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Mordor She Wrote: Nov 17, 2014

nigga crab pollock posted:

you are buying into a fantasy

pizzagator

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:09

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

nigga crab pollock posted:

you are buying into a fantasy

And you been taking it from Fox for way too long. Good job. I'm sure your masters are pround.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:09

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

LGD posted:

He met with him separately on another occasion.

From the AP:
"The other occurred in a group setting following a Heritage Foundation speech that Sessions gave during the Republican National Convention, when several ambassadors - including the Russian - approached him after the talk as he was leaving the stage, according to the department."

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:09

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

sounds like Saudi Arabia to me

It's not that Russia isn't bad, it's that they aren't so bad we can't have diplomatic relations w/ them wtf?

I think it was in the 2008 democratic primary that obama was asked if he would meet with foreign leaders that were hostile to the US (like Iran or Cuba) and he basically said he would and the right went batshit insane over it while the left rolled their eyes.

The times they are a changin'

LGD posted:

Protip: you can maintain a healthy skepticism about the degree of Russian involvement in the election while still thinking Sessions should be removed from office or, at a bare minimum, removed from overseeing any investigations/prosecutions focused on the area that he lied about under oath.

This is basically my position. Lol if people still buy into the Russia thing, but sessions likely did perjured himself or at the least omitted information necessary. I hope there's more investigations and information that come out so we can know.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:09

Knight: Dec 23, 2000; SPACE-A-HOLIC; Taco Defender

nigga crab pollock posted:

yeah lying under oath is basically a complete and direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election. don't you read the news?

We already have direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election. We monitored conversations of them arguing over how far to go with interfering with our elections and they were responsible for a campaign of cyber attacks on state electoral systems in September. There may be a Benghazi-like effect on the public where if you say "Russian election interference" everyone thinks we're talking about their own personal collection of rumors and half-truths ("they rigged the vote!"), but there is no real question as to whether Russia meddled with our elections. Even congressional Republicans accept that, and it's pretty funny that you're trying to paint that as a conspiracy theory while simultaneously arguing that 17 different intelligence agencies only came to that conclusion as a result of conspiracy. :tinfoil:

All this weird poo poo with Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, etc is just shady people being shady.

Fog Tripper posted:

McCain and Graham have done this at every turn and are the most rino of all rinos. gently caress them both.

I was talking about Portman, Issa, Heller, etc asking him to recuse himself. The list is growing.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:09

The Landstander: Apr 20, 2004; I stand on land.

https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/837408867982114817

This is appropriate regardless of the meeting, given how involved he was with the Trump campaign.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:10

Tinestram: Jan 13, 2006; Excalibur? More like "Needle"; Grimey Drawer

Toadvine posted:

That's not even a remotely contrasting counterpoint!

pizzagate is all about jumping to a guilty conclusion just because of personal political beliefs, soooo

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:10

LGD: Sep 25, 2004

Moridin920 posted:

Holy poo poo the content of the meetings is entirely the hinge on whether or not what he said was perjury because he was obviously answering Al Franken's question not talking about in general out of the blue.

It's like if someone asked me "hey have any Russians talked to you about treason against the USA?" and I go "no I haven't talked to any Russians wtf?" and then laters someone goes "AHA YOU TALKED TO IVAN BORLAV A YEAR AGO LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!"

Well I didn't lie if Ivan Borlav was just telling me about a great new deal on Russian Ushankas.

He had a separate official meeting with the Russian ambassador in question, this was not a passing comment with someone he met at a DC gala. Also

"Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?"
"No."

is not remotely ambiguous and is something he said in writing.

e:

Fog Tripper posted:

From the AP:
"The other occurred in a group setting following a Heritage Foundation speech that Sessions gave during the Republican National Convention, when several ambassadors - including the Russian - approached him after the talk as he was leaving the stage, according to the department."

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

that same AP article posted:

The first occurred after a Heritage Foundation event during the Republican National Convention in July, when the department says a group of envoys - including the Russian ambassador - approached Sessions. The second was a September conversation, which the department likened to the more than 25 conversations Sessions had with foreign ambassadors last year as a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

hrm

LGD fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Mar 2, 2017

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sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

The Landstander posted:

https://twitter.com/woodruffbets/status/837408867982114817

I actually think this is appropriate regardless, given how involved he was with the Trump campaign.

I'm okay with this.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:11

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

He has a clear conflict of interest, recusing himself shouldn't even be something that was ever in question lol.

LGD posted:

He had a separate official meeting with the Russian ambassador in question, this was not a passing comment with someone he met at a DC gala. Also

"Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?"
"No."

is not remotely ambiguous and is something he said in writing.

What if that separate official meeting wasn't about the 2016 election? Then it would not be perjury. Right?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:11

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

sincx posted:

So you have no argument, and you're deflecting in a vain attempt to please your /pol/ masters. See I can do ad hominem attacks too.

I literally posted something directly above this post that you should read slowly and attempt to translate those words into communication.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:12

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Knight posted:

All this weird poo poo with Sessions,

Pleasantries and being social at government functions is horrid to you. My god the thought of it just puts you into an uncomfortable state.
Truly weird poo poo.

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Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

spooky scary russians

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:16

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

LGD posted:

He had a separate official meeting with the Russian ambassador in question, this was not a passing comment with someone he met at a DC gala. Also

"Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?"
"No."

is not remotely ambiguous and is something he said in writing.

e:

hrm

Perhaps if you were actually reading the thread and not just cherry picking it, you would have seen that I posted that whole thing earlier TWICE.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:16

crime weed: Nov 9, 2009

Knight posted:

We already have direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election. We monitored conversations of them arguing over how far to go with interfering with our elections and they were responsible for a campaign of cyber attacks on state electoral systems in September. There may be a Benghazi-like effect on the public where if you say "Russian election interference" everyone thinks we're talking about their own personal collection of rumors and half-truths ("they rigged the vote!"), but there is no real question as to whether Russia meddled with our elections. Even congressional Republicans accept that, and it's pretty funny that you're trying to paint that as a conspiracy theory while simultaneously arguing that 17 different intelligence agencies only came to that conclusion as a result of conspiracy.

All this weird poo poo with Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, etc is just shady people being shady.
I was talking about Portman, Issa, Heller, etc asking him to recuse himself. The list is growing.

i mean, trump himself lied about being in contact with russia and putin. a bunch of times, im pretty sure.

so theres that too

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:17

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Knight posted:

We already have direct confirmation of russian involvement in the election.

So proof? Can you please share the proof so we can start indicting people?

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:17

Krustic: Mar 28, 2010; Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

nigga crab pollock posted:

like, lol if you think there isnt any evidence?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/meet-fancy-bear-the-russian-group-hacking-the-us-election?utm_term=.ssrDY3aGX#.xm1Wyk7Nn

Oh poo poo buzzfeed? Yep it's legit. I don't even have to read it. It's fine with me if Jeff Sessions is removed as attorney general because I don't like his stance on legal Marijuana. That dickhead better not ruin my planned vacation to Colorado.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:18

Tinestram: Jan 13, 2006; Excalibur? More like "Needle"; Grimey Drawer

Trump hosed status: slightly more hosed than he was before Sessions recused himself, but still mostly unfucked

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:19

The Landstander: Apr 20, 2004; I stand on land.

Whenever Trump goes "wouldn't it be nice to get along with Russia" he should toss in this video as I think it will be convincing to people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqKPswqyPrc

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:19

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

Frijolero posted:

So proof? Can you please share the proof so we can start indicting people?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:19

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

new phone who dis posted:

Go ahead and post the parts of the report that show evidence in the thread. I'll wait.

Lol if you are illiterate and can't read yourself, then there's no point talking to you.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:19

Toadvine: Mar 16, 2009; Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

sincx posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

sincx posted:

Lol if you are illiterate and can't read yourself, then there's no point talking to you.

This is embarrassing

for you

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:22

Krustic: Mar 28, 2010; Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

Frijolero posted:

So proof? Can you please share the proof so we can start indicting people?

The intelligence people said so. Even though they won't offer up any hard evidence on how they arrived at that conclusion. Lock him up and install Hillary Clinton, the people's champion who never told a lie, as the president. Stop the madness.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:23

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Knight posted:

I was talking about Portman, Issa, Heller, etc asking him to recuse himself. The list is growing.

I suspect some just want to put an end to the media's mock outrage. Sadly having him recuse himself is going to cause more of the same when the dems see they can get away with this crap.

# ? Mar 2, 2017 22:25

Frijolero: Jan 24, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

sincx posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

Cold, hard community assessment. Trump is toast :getin:

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a bone to pick: Sep 14, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

I don't like the new red scare / mcarthyism tactics but omg I would love if it led to Sessions resigning, that would be sooooooo good.

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