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"Our president should not be literally having backroom deals with a shady warmonger."
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not sure why people are so down on this assad fellow i thought lefties believed in universal brotherhood and friendship ???
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Mar 4, 2017 18:13
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Welcome to Hellthread. Abandon hope all ye who enter.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:20
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I like how everyone ignores that Independents are starting to view Putin favorably the more the media tries to demonize Russia, the only ones falling for this bullshit are Democrats.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:36
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russia is a bit of a backwards poo poo hole and murdering journalists and turning your country into a one party state is p bullshit imho
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Mar 4, 2017 18:42
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:probably coincides with increase in frequency on how often russia and putin are covered in the american media so the average republican is more aware of putin and the tough man image that's designed to appeal to the likes of him/her, whereas before that people didn't really know who putin was and didn't give a poo poo? Well, yeah, but that just reinforces the argument that literally the only thing Republican voters care about is raw authority. Like, fifty years' worth of COMMUNISM BAD got tossed out in a second because they all swooned over Putin's biceps. Just demonstrates that all that supposed conservative ideology was bullshit all along.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:47
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XMNN posted:russia is a bit of a backwards poo poo hole and murdering journalists and turning your country into a one party state is p bullshit imho Whoa cool it patriot, the kgb might round you up
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Mar 4, 2017 18:49
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, yeah, but that just reinforces the argument that literally the only thing Republican voters care about is raw authority. Like, fifty years' worth of COMMUNISM BAD got tossed out in a second because they all swooned over Putin's biceps. Just demonstrates that all that supposed conservative ideology was bullshit all along. Of course it's bullshit. Just 6 years ago, Mittens Romney was saying that Russia was an enemy. But that doesn't change the fact that Russophobia is loving dumb on both sides.
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Mar 4, 2017 18:51
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Frijolero posted:Of course it's bullshit. Just 6 years ago, Mittens Romney was saying that Russia was an enemy. Putin's an authoritarian, corrupt as hell, murders journalists, and has started multiple wars while lying constantly about what he's doing. He wants to destabilize western governments to make it easier to expand Russia's territory. Raw russophobia, sure, irrational. I love vodka as much as anyone. Suspicion of Putin though? Completely rational. And Putin is the Russian government right now, so . . .
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Mar 4, 2017 18:54
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I did Russian at school, I like Russia, I love Russian literature I don't like Putin or his foreign or domestic policy and cosying up to him when he is doing reprehensible poo poo is a bad thing and not a good thing imho
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Mar 4, 2017 19:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Putin's an authoritarian, corrupt as hell, murders journalists, and has started multiple wars while lying constantly about what he's doing. He wants to destabilize western governments to make it easier to expand Russia's territory. it's 100% this. good relations with russia would be great but it's a tad more complex than the GBS binary of good and bad.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:09
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maybe they'll catch trump on a hot mic to putin telling him he'll give him whatever he wants after re-election. just like the left's response speech to trump's visit, it's a party with no leadership and no explanation why they aren't in charge of anything in this country, and it's got to just poo poo all over the place and hope something works
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Mar 4, 2017 19:15
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Putin's an authoritarian, corrupt as hell, murders journalists, and has started multiple wars while lying constantly about what he's doing. He wants to destabilize western governments to make it easier to expand Russia's territory. Russia wants to destabilize Western governments  What has the US been doing to Russia since 1917? Putin's foreign policy actions have been reactive: * US expands NATO into former Russian territory -> Russia expands influence on neighbors. * EU/NATO start courting Ukraine? -> Russia annexes Crimea * US sends arms to Syrian rebels and Salafists -> Russia joins the civil war to shore up ally Your view of the Russian government is also incredibly immature. Yes, Putin is authoritarian. But Russia is still a democracy with a TON of special interests and opposition groups. It's not a one man show. Also, Putin is still quite popular among his people. It sounds pretty loving hilarious and undemocratic when Americans call for his ouster when his country has his back. So what's your solution? Keep antagonizing Russia because their president is corrupt? Keep the brinkmanship even though Russia's military is paltry compared to ours? Call for Russia to end their nuclear program, even though we have nukes in Europe aimed at Moscow?
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Mar 4, 2017 19:17
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Didn't Obama wiretap Merkals phone?
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Mar 4, 2017 19:21
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Poetic Justice posted:Didn't Obama wiretap Merkals phone? Pro tip even "ally" nations spy on each other all time, especially what Israel does to the US to maintain certain favorable foreign policies or just to steal US intel they could exploit.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:22
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Trump cutting out the middle man and making his own fake news
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Mar 4, 2017 19:23
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And now we have our own corrupt authoritarian... Should the democratic nations of the world antagonize us and sanction us?
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Mar 4, 2017 19:23
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if trump did something so politically dumb, so completely out of touch with world politics such as offer a reset button to a country like russia they would be rightfully lampooned. Yet, I distinctly remember the entire press corps reaction of how outside the box and great it was of Obama! Polls show no one cares about the russia boogeyman, who btw is a mere fraction of it's cold war self
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Mar 4, 2017 19:24
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etalian posted:Pro tip even "ally" nations spy on each other all time, especially what Israel does to the US to maintain certain favorable foreign policies or just to steal US intel they could exploit. Israel has literally influenced US elections in the form of lobbying money and propaganda for the GOP, but Democrats stay silent.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:24
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feelix posted:i went to college and i voted for trump I feel bad for your mother.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:30
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Frijolero posted:And now we have our own corrupt authoritarian... Should the democratic nations of the world antagonize us and sanction us? tbh I was p ashamed of my countries leader rushing to suck up to trump yeah
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Mar 4, 2017 19:33
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Frijolero posted:* EU/NATO start courting Ukraine? -> Russia annexes Crimea EU/NATO courting Ukraine to Russia invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea is a disproportionate response. That's the problem.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:37
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Is trump hosed yet? I feel this thread is a false alarm
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Mar 4, 2017 19:42
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So Trump just admitted a FISA court found probable cause that he was an agent of a foreign government and issued a wiretapping court order? cool. Too bad he's just tweeting out a bullshit Breitbart story. It would be pretty awesome if it was true.
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Mar 4, 2017 19:57
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Kjoery posted:fake crises in sweden Nice, rape apologist. XMNN posted:russia is a bit of a backwards poo poo hole and murdering journalists and turning your country into a one party state is p bullshit imho *supports friendly relations with Iran*
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Mar 4, 2017 19:57
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Panzeh posted:EU/NATO courting Ukraine to Russia invading Ukraine and annexing Crimea is a disproportionate response. That's the problem. Pushing a west-friendly Ukraine doesn't seem like a big deal to the American liberal so let me illustrate: Remember when we thought Castro was getting cozy with the Soviets? It was not only a regional threat, but an existential threat. We got so uncomfortable that we used rebels to invade Cuba and install a friendly regime. We failed, but it still demonstrates how far we were willing to go. We don't own the rights to good foreign policy, and neither do the Russians, but we sure like to act like everything we do is out of goodwill and the world just needs to chill.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:05
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Fog Tripper posted:Nice, rape apologist. Dont forget about the GRENADE attacks in Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden Perfectly normal perfecly healthy.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:08
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Frijolero posted:Remember when we thought Castro was getting cozy with the Soviets? It was not only a regional threat, but an existential threat. We got so uncomfortable that we used rebels to invade Cuba and install a friendly regime. We failed, but it still demonstrates how far we were willing to go. hmm yess early 1960s nuclear brinkmanship is indeed a cool and very good and reasonable foreign policy in 2017. let's do that in the crimea -- *loud farting noises*
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Mar 4, 2017 20:11
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Sagebrush posted:hmm yess early 1960s nuclear brinkmanship is indeed a cool and very good and reasonable foreign policy in 2017. let's do that in the crimea I literally said Russia doesn't do good foreign policy in the following paragraph, but I appreciate the insightful post.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:14
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Frijolero posted:I literally said Russia doesn't do good foreign policy in the following paragraph, but I appreciate the insightful post. This is true but i think it's appropriate to find ways to frustrate Russia in response to their bad foreign policy. For example more direct support for the Ukranian government.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:18
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Panzeh posted:This is true but i think it's appropriate to find ways to frustrate Russia in response to their bad foreign policy. For example more direct support for the Ukranian government. A lot of Russia's bad foreign policy is a response to our terrible foreign policy, and it has been for 60+ years. Should we keep arming the Salafists in Syria you loving dunce?
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Mar 4, 2017 20:23
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Frijolero posted:Russia wants to destabilize Western governments And your point is? So what? In realpolitik terms, Russia is sitting on the other side of the chessboard. I'm not trying to say our side is better, I'm saying Putin is opposed to our goals. "Buuuuut Amerikka also did bad things!" is just misdirection. Frijolero posted:
lol again, what's your point here? So what? Frijolero posted:
The "solution," such as it is, is ongoing balance-of-power politics, strong support of NATO, and a clear and unambiguous and stable foreign policy that reduces Putin's ability to exploit gaps and loopholes. The problem with Trump's freewheeling pull-it-out-his-rear end style of diplomacy is that Putin's going to think he can get away with things he would never have attempted if the US had a stable sane government. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he tried invading the baltic states, for example, which could potentially trigger a NATO response and nuclear war, just because Trump's idiocy made Putin think such a grab was a worthwhile risk. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 20:23
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Frijolero posted:
Well the CIA was trying to form a specifically anti-ISIS group but failed. The DoD sends arms to the Marxist YPG. Im not sure how responding to bad Russian foreign policy is bad but im sure you'll tell me.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:25
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:And your point is? So what? Oh snap. I didn't know I was arguing with imperialists. I'll just see myself out cuz this poo poo is pointless. How does it feel to know that you would've supported the Vietnam War? Did you fall for the WMDs ?
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Mar 4, 2017 20:34
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Frijolero posted:Oh snap. I didn't know I was arguing with imperialists. I'll just see myself out cuz this poo poo is pointless. This is mega dumb. Saying "America has international interests that Putin opposes" is not being an "imperialist." Supporting the continued existence of NATO is not the same thing as supporting the invasion of Iraq. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 20:40
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https://twitter.com/MisterRoasty/status/837968892051980288
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etalian posted:Pro tip even "ally" nations spy on each other all time, especially what Israel does to the US to maintain certain favorable foreign policies or just to steal US intel they could exploit. Yeah I'm canadian and its an open secret that our intelligence services are lousy with american spies and have been since the 60s at least.
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Mar 4, 2017 21:48
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Radical and BADical! posted:I feel bad for your mother. she voted for trump too since you can't read dates and quoted a post several weeks old i'm guessing you never went to college
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Mar 4, 2017 22:23
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I'm just going to dance in. Fart out this image. Then dance right out.
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Kjoery posted:good things = good *riots break out in Sweden*
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