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angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart

CaptainRightful posted:

Do you guys use the "official" FCM card accordion + dry erase milestone cards or something else?

Yeah, I got those things.

I know a guy IRL who doesn't like the accordion because "it takes too long." He also said he just leaves the cards in a big stack and just digs through it each time he hires, which sounds miserable to me. The accordion doesn't take very long to setup imo, and it plus the marker board makes the game go from needing like the biggest table you've got to fitting comfortably on a small table. You can also have every player actually near the board rather than sitting near the sprawling laid of cards of the milestones and staff etc.

If you sleeve the cards though, the marker boards won't fit in the box. The accordion + sleeved cards just BARELY fit in the box. I think I'm going to end up making a foam core insert, and then I'm going to keep the "extra" stuff like the accordion, marker boards, some markers, and poker chips in a cigar box that I just lay next to the game or something.

If you really hate games hogging the table, it's worth getting that stuff, if you don't really care about table space it may be more trouble than it's worth.

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Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
Talisman

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Looks like Anachrony is being delivered today, finally. Of course I'm out.

terebikun
May 27, 2016
So I already own Viticulture, Brew Crafters, Glen More, and Dungeon Lords, because my gf likes worker placements and I love them themes. I'm still eyeing up Trickerion and Above & Below though, because magic is neat and also storybooks. Are either of these worth getting considering all the WP games I already have? Do they do anything unique? Also how does the complexity of Trickerion compare to Dungeon Lords, which hardly ever gets played?

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




terebikun posted:

So I already own Viticulture, Brew Crafters, Glen More, and Dungeon Lords, because my gf likes worker placements and I love them themes. I'm still eyeing up Trickerion and Above & Below though, because magic is neat and also storybooks. Are either of these worth getting considering all the WP games I already have? Do they do anything unique? Also how does the complexity of Trickerion compare to Dungeon Lords, which hardly ever gets played?

I love dl and didn't really like trickerion much. It was okay, but very few interesting decisions.

Maybe get something a bit different, like keyflower?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

I wouldn't rate Above and Below. Laukat's games fall flat for me, mostly - I've only really enjoyed The Ancient World.

Heavily thematic WP games that do something interesting and that I would recommend are Archon: Glory and Machination and Ave Roma.

terebikun
May 27, 2016

silvergoose posted:

I love dl and didn't really like trickerion much. It was okay, but very few interesting decisions.

Maybe get something a bit different, like keyflower?

The raw mechanics of Keyflower look fun, but I'm super shallow and the theme is so bleh.

Jedit posted:

I wouldn't rate Above and Below. Laukat's games fall flat for me, mostly - I've only really enjoyed The Ancient World.

Heavily thematic WP games that do something interesting and that I would recommend are Archon: Glory and Machination and Ave Roma.

drat, that's a bummer. I like the whole idea of connecting to Islebound and poo poo.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Keyflower is good because I like games where I want to stab at least one person by the end.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




terebikun posted:

The raw mechanics of Keyflower look fun, but I'm super shallow and the theme is so bleh.


drat, that's a bummer. I like the whole idea of connecting to Islebound and poo poo.

I mean yeah, Trickerion has incredible visuals and such. You never really feel like you're doing any magic tricks, though, just collecting poo poo and making specific sets of the poo poo you collect.

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT

terebikun posted:

The raw mechanics of Keyflower look fun, but I'm super shallow and the theme is so bleh.

Um, you build little houses to hide your meeples from your opponents. For a Euro, you can't get any less "bleh"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mojo Jojo
Sep 21, 2005

terebikun posted:

So I already own Viticulture, Brew Crafters, Glen More, and Dungeon Lords, because my gf likes worker placements and I love them themes. I'm still eyeing up Trickerion and Above & Below though, because magic is neat and also storybooks. Are either of these worth getting considering all the WP games I already have? Do they do anything unique? Also how does the complexity of Trickerion compare to Dungeon Lords, which hardly ever gets played?

I haven't played any of those except Trickerion. It is a bit fatty around certain aspects (specifically the unavoidable ap you get at the start while people plan their trick routes and then again when somebody takes a trick you wanted) but the theme is wonderful, the powers and fortunes give nice variety that stop things getting too degenerate and the loving one another over with performances is top class

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


CaptainRightful posted:

Do you guys use the "official" FCM card accordion + dry erase milestone cards or something else?

I use the wooden insert that some guy in Canada on Etsy makes. I have all the cards sleeved so it makes the box about 1cm bigger but it stands up on its side on a shelf just fine.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


FYI, Forbidden Stars is an Amazon lightning deal right now (and the next four hours unless it sells out) for $50.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

terebikun posted:

So I already own Viticulture, Brew Crafters, Glen More, and Dungeon Lords, because my gf likes worker placements and I love them themes. I'm still eyeing up Trickerion and Above & Below though, because magic is neat and also storybooks. Are either of these worth getting considering all the WP games I already have? Do they do anything unique? Also how does the complexity of Trickerion compare to Dungeon Lords, which hardly ever gets played?

Argent: the Consortium is something you should check out, or Keyflower. Both do unique things with workers and are great games to boot!

I wouldn't recommend Above and Below. The idea is neat, but the execution is really random and swingy.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
In FCM I basically accordion the milestones and have per-color decks for employees. It's a decent tradeoff between table space and accessibility.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
Found a guy selling vinhos used but in great shape for 40. Is that a good price? It's considered one of the better euros right? I have a friend who LOVES wine I'd give it to if that's the case.

malkav11
Aug 7, 2009

Spikes32 posted:

Found a guy selling vinhos used but in great shape for 40. Is that a good price? It's considered one of the better euros right? I have a friend who LOVES wine I'd give it to if that's the case.

Which version? The original, or Vinhos Deluxe, the Eagle Gryphon Games reprint with more stuff and amazing art? Deluxe is $80 MSRP for the standard version (i.e. minus the extra KS content, which can be bought separately or is still available for $130 as a bundle) so that would probably not be a bad price. The original is out of print and scalpers are trying to sell it for significantly more than $80 but the reprint is strictly better so it's hard to say.

EnjoiThePureTrip
Apr 16, 2011

Spikes32 posted:

Found a guy selling vinhos used but in great shape for 40. Is that a good price? It's considered one of the better euros right? I have a friend who LOVES wine I'd give it to if that's the case.

If it's the new "Deluxe" version I'd definitely say jump on it. I snagged it a few months ago and really like it.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
So as soon as I asked if it was the original or deluxe he told me original and dropped the price to $25 haha. Now I'm on the fence about it.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Spikes32 posted:

So as soon as I asked if it was the original or deluxe he told me original and dropped the price to $25 haha. Now I'm on the fence about it.

gently caress that guy.

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT

CommonShore posted:

gently caress that guy.

Maybe he just made a mistake?

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Kiranamos posted:

Maybe he just made a mistake?

Seems suspicious to me. Who knows what will eventually show up.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Kiranamos posted:

Maybe he just made a mistake?

I think not.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
It was going to be an hour total drive for me so I decided to pass on it. Thanks guys

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Spikes32 posted:

So as soon as I asked if it was the original or deluxe he told me original and dropped the price to $25 haha. Now I'm on the fence about it.

Sounds like a great bargain, I'd go for it.

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT

Jedit posted:

I think not.

I guess I would rather just believe that someone out there doesn't need $15 so bad that they want to scam someone over a random Euro board game.

Dr. Lunchables
Dec 27, 2012

IRL DEBUFFED KOBOLD



I don't understand the scam? Isn't the offer $25 for the original edition? Which isn't a great edition, but, still, a decent price?

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
I think the idea is that the question "is it original or deluxe edition?" either led to

:confused: huh better look that up oh I have the original which is worth less, so it's original and price down to 25

Or

:reject: heh someone bit on my overpriced original edition lol buyer beware, motherfucker! Oh wait poo poo they asked which edition it is oh well better come clean I guess. Plausible denial, motherfucker!

The "scam" being that you almost bought the original (less valuable) version for a premium price if you hadn't asked first.

Dr. Video Games 0069
Jan 1, 2006

nice dolphin, nigga

terebikun posted:

So I already own Viticulture, Brew Crafters, Glen More, and Dungeon Lords, because my gf likes worker placements and I love them themes. I'm still eyeing up Trickerion and Above & Below though, because magic is neat and also storybooks. Are either of these worth getting considering all the WP games I already have? Do they do anything unique? Also how does the complexity of Trickerion compare to Dungeon Lords, which hardly ever gets played?

Above and Below is cute but not very deep or mechanically interesting, I'd recommend trying before committing. Argent definitely fits what you're looking for.

Look into Lancaster maybe, it has a cool WP mechanic where you can upgrade your workers (knights) and put down a higher level knight to kick out your opponent's, or use squires to provide temporary strength to your knights. Last Will is partly worker placement (mainly tableau building though), and has a fun theme in which you are trying to waste all your money as fast as possible.

Fat Turkey
Aug 1, 2004

Gobble Gobble Gobble!
I went to a day long board gaming event today and fell into the worst trap by the first game.

I'm offered to make up the fourth layer for a 4 player game, why not, be social, doesn't look that interesting but who knows. I sit down. The game is Mombasa.

Lead player reaches into the box for the rules. Starts reading from page 1.

45 minutes and many rereads and corrections later, the game begins and I want to die.

People, don't bring games to a board game event without having read the rules before playing. Not without letting people know before you start playing, so they can make a hasty escape.

adebisi lives
Nov 11, 2009
I've been watching viticulture for a while and picked it up on amazon for 40 shipped and it looks like it's down to 38 now. Looking forward to my first worker placement game and fueling some more wine consumption in my house hold.

unpronounceable
Apr 4, 2010

You mean we still have another game to go through?!
Fallen Rib
I got to try The Great Zimbabwe this afternoon. The only other Splotter game I've played is FCM, but I liked this much more. I didn't get the feeling that I'd need to play a half dozen games to figure out what a strategy is. It will certainly take me several plays to learn how to best leverage the gods or specialists(?), but I didn't see anything that seemed as impenetrable as how important initial placement is in FCM.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Fat Turkey posted:

I went to a day long board gaming event today and fell into the worst trap by the first game.

I'm offered to make up the fourth layer for a 4 player game, why not, be social, doesn't look that interesting but who knows. I sit down. The game is Mombasa.

Lead player reaches into the box for the rules. Starts reading from page 1.

45 minutes and many rereads and corrections later, the game begins and I want to die.

People, don't bring games to a board game event without having read the rules before playing. Not without letting people know before you start playing, so they can make a hasty escape.

Funny, at a board game con two years ago, I had almost the same experience with Mombasa. Except it had just come out so no one knew the rules.

It's fun when it goes snappy with 3-4 experienced players, but yeah, that's an awful thing to do at a game night, and especially with Mombasa, which is a pretty bad game to learn from the rulebook.

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




There is no need to play any other dungeon crawler, D&D included, if you have access to Gloomhaven.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Fat Turkey posted:

I went to a day long board gaming event today and fell into the worst trap by the first game.

I'm offered to make up the fourth layer for a 4 player game, why not, be social, doesn't look that interesting but who knows. I sit down. The game is Mombasa.

Lead player reaches into the box for the rules. Starts reading from page 1.

45 minutes and many rereads and corrections later, the game begins and I want to die.

People, don't bring games to a board game event without having read the rules before playing. Not without letting people know before you start playing, so they can make a hasty escape.

Bring a pocket knife to cut your hand then excuse yourself while flinging blood at the guy reading. Works every time.

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




Fat Turkey posted:

I went to a day long board gaming event today and fell into the worst trap by the first game.

I'm offered to make up the fourth layer for a 4 player game, why not, be social, doesn't look that interesting but who knows. I sit down. The game is Mombasa.

Lead player reaches into the box for the rules. Starts reading from page 1.

45 minutes and many rereads and corrections later, the game begins and I want to die.

People, don't bring games to a board game event without having read the rules before playing. Not without letting people know before you start playing, so they can make a hasty escape.

You are not being anti-social if you get up from a game when no one knows how to play. your time is more valuable than that.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Yeah you should have just politely said you didn't want to play the game if no one had played before. No biggie.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

How do people feel about GMT trays vs Plano boxes for bits storage?

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EBag
May 18, 2006

I don't understand the mentality of someone who thinks it's ok to pull out a game they don't know and force others to wait while they go through the rulebook. I'd definitely just apologize and leave.

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