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namesake posted:"I'm not owned! I'm not owned!" Fillon insists as he slowly shrinks into an onion. That's basically it. He completely melt down. Macron said Fillon "lost either his nerves or his connection to reality" and that must be the first time the diacritic said something with which I agree.
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It kind of surprises me that there are still devoted Fillonists but I guess the catholic showboating during the gay marriage vote did convince some people after all. Still, can't really build an electorate out of nutters from Versailles with seven children.
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Christiane Taubira is joining the Hamon's campaign as spokeswoman. It's basically a bigger gain in one day than after the two weeks of bullshit electoral deal to get the greens.
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Mar 3, 2017 22:31
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julian assflange posted:He is actually delusional. This rally for his....freedom? on Sunday is just bizarre.
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Fillon voters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37b_uUyPHs
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LemonDrizzle posted:To be fair to the guy (not that he deserves it...), it must be pretty loving jarring to go from being a well-established politician with a "good" civic reputation and the favourite for the presidency to a disgraced failure and likely jailbird over the space of a few weeks, especially knowing that he's too old to ever make any kind of a comeback and so will go down in history as a corrupt liar who hosed his own party. Reminds me of that salon socialist a couple of years ago who apparently thought people weren't going to notice him raping maids abroad or something.
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LemonDrizzle posted:To be fair to the guy (not that he deserves it...), it must be pretty loving jarring to go from being a well-established politician with a "good" civic reputation and the favourite for the presidency to a disgraced failure and likely jailbird over the space of a few weeks, especially knowing that he's too old to ever make any kind of a comeback and so will go down in history as a corrupt liar who hosed his own party.
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Ekster posted:Reminds me of that salon socialist a couple of years ago who apparently thought people weren't going to notice him raping maids abroad or something. Oh DSK. The IMF guy. I was so glad the socialists had to find someone else; even if that someone else ended up being a disappointment.
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Toplowtech posted:Tsss, it's France not the US. President of Trump's age are more common here. The funny thing is that if he had thrown the towel at the right time, he would have been the noblest hero of the right-wing and he probably could have comeback in 5-10 years. It's the "so close to the throne" part that's probably driving him insane.
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LemonDrizzle posted:5-10 years doesn't seem like enough tbh. Juppé made his comeback from prison in that timeframe, but his sentence was seen as the result of taking one for the team whereas Fillon's crimes are all about directly enriching himself and his family rather than protecting his party. I think he'd need far longer in the wilderness to live it down, if he ever could. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Mar 3, 2017 22:55
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Toplowtech posted:Christiane Taubira is joining the Hamon's campaign as spokeswoman. It's basically a bigger gain in one day than after the two weeks of bullshit electoral deal to get the greens. Turns out that news was wrong. Hamon's team denied it. It's a confusing night. https://twitter.com/leLab_E1/status/837786633684537440
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Ekster posted:Reminds me of that salon socialist a couple of years ago who apparently thought people weren't going to notice him raping maids abroad or something. That whole case made French politics seem dodgy as hell (i.e. how it turned out that she had been paid $100k by some criminals and lied about tons of things to prosecutors, making it likely that someone was paying her to do what she did) Who the hell knows what went on behind the scenes there.
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It was Sarkozy
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Politics are super dodgy. See the really dodgy "suicide" of Robert Boulin.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:That whole case made French politics seem dodgy as hell (i.e. how it turned out that she had been paid $100k by some criminals and lied about tons of things to prosecutors, making it likely that someone was paying her to do what she did) Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Mar 4, 2017 |
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Mar 4, 2017 11:51
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So what's the deal with this bill I've been hearing about about removing visa free travel for Americans until we also give full visa free travel to Europeans? I'm trying to figure out what this means to me as an American employed in Europe (fully employed here, not as some kind of exchange program or anything). I've been reading in various comment threads about how the vote doesn't mean anything but I'm also reading about how the EU is now obligated to act on it?
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As an American employed in Europe, you already have a visa. When America removed visa-free travel for Europeans who'd been to some naughty countries, it just meant I needed to get a visa to visit America (short term) instead of the usual VWP. So it'll be the same vice-versa if it ever gets enacted.
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Well your first part is wrong because my citizenship allowed me to enter the EU so I actually don't have a visa. I just checked my passport even and the only sticker I have in there is just a temporary residence permit I had to get while my permanent one was being processed. The temporary one has long since expired. All I have is a residence permit allowing me to live in this country and I presume travel back into this country as it's my legal domicile. Which is why I asked what this means to me and others like me who legally do not have a visa to enter.
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Does the thread have any recommended podcasts covering current events in Europe? Any language will do.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Does the thread have any recommended podcasts covering current events in Europe? Any language will do. I've probably posted l'esprit public before. It's a one hour show where a handful of hosts tackle two subjects. They've a nice variery of interesting opinions, imo. For example this one is about the FN's economic program and the relationship between the US and their two neighbours. I'm interested in other good podcasts.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Well your first part is wrong because my citizenship allowed me to enter the EU so I actually don't have a visa. I just checked my passport even and the only sticker I have in there is just a temporary residence permit I had to get while my permanent one was being processed. The temporary one has long since expired. As long as you have a residency permit, you shouldn't have to worry about anything.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:As long as you have a residency permit, you shouldn't have to worry about anything. Correct. Also something going from "EU parliament resolution" to actual policy is a long process so this won't have any consequences for the near (1-2 years term) at a minimum. Or it may amount to nothing!
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I've heard that the Commission isn't exactly keen on acting on it, so this will probably die in some commitee. And even then every single EU member state would have to formally approve of the ban which I don't see happening. Here's an excerpt of the resolution: quote:[The European Parliament [...] 1. Considers the Commission to be legally obliged to adopt a delegated act – temporarily suspending the exemption from the visa requirement for nationals of third countries which have not lifted the visa requirement for citizens of certain Member States – within a period of 24 months from the date of publication of the notifications in this regard, which ended on 12 April 2016; So the Commission already ignored such a resolution before, and I don't think that the MEPs really believe that their reminding them will actually change anything, too.
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https://twitter.com/peterallenparis/status/838316084503724032 https://twitter.com/peterallenparis/status/838326833502355457 
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I don't understand this tweet. Did she argue that she doesn't speak french very well, or are they reporting that she speaks limited french because lmao for both. e: ok that's what she said quote:Parler français au téléphone, c’est difficile pour moi e2: and a fillon montage 
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Mar 5, 2017 11:56
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Fillon obviously got his impression about excess wasteful employment in the civil service by looking over the breakfast table.
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Interesting take on diesel engine pollution and the German economy: http://www.eurointelligence.com/public/quote:When we reported on the VW scandal, we made the point that the really important implications are not the fines but the long-term industrial fallout. The long term is already happening now. The diesel technology is experiencing a rapid decline in Germany. Frankfurter Allgemeine leads its business section with the decision by the state government of Baden-Wuerttemberg to ban diesel cars in Stuttgart, the state capital. Stuttgart is Germany’s equivalent of Motown, the home of both Mercedes-Benz and Porsche. Furthermore, a court in Bavaria has asked the state government to consider a similar ban for Munich. The sales statistics also support the trend against the diesel car. In February, the number of diesel cars sold sank by 10%, while the rest of the market was largely stable.
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https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/838392657986584576 Rally for
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Boris Galerkin posted:Well your first part is wrong because my citizenship allowed me to enter the EU so I actually don't have a visa. I just checked my passport even and the only sticker I have in there is just a temporary residence permit I had to get while my permanent one was being processed. The temporary one has long since expired. A residence permit is "higher ranking" than a visa but almost the same thing
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/838392657986584576 They're claiming there's two hundred thousand people there. The Trocadéro can in theory hold about fifty thousand. I'm beginning to think these people aren't actually thieves, they're just really poo poo at counting. It would also explain why they keep pushing for austerity.
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ElNarez posted:They're claiming there's two hundred thousand people there. The Trocadéro can in theory hold about fifty thousand. I'm beginning to think these people aren't actually thieves, they're just really poo poo at counting. I think the most bonkers thing is that Fillon still hasn't lost that much in actual support in polling since January (still seems to be hovering around 20%) while Macron seems to be pulling a bit from everywhere. I think Fillon and his supporters really just don't give a single poo poo.
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More on diesels and the German auto industry's new status as a mass murderer: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/volkswagen-emissions-scam-means-early-death-for-thousands-in-europe-rmhcgsnrxquote:Thousands of people will die early across Europe because of excessive air pollution from the Volkswagen cars that were fitted with illegal devices to cheat emissions tests, according to scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. e: also, Fillon is still not standing down! Go on, you sweet beautiful nutcase, go on!
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ElNarez posted:They're claiming there's two hundred thousand people there. The Trocadéro can in theory hold about fifty thousand. I'm beginning to think these people aren't actually thieves, they're just really poo poo at counting. Don't underestimate their stupidity (or loyalty) https://twitter.com/Fillon2017_fr/status/838392979140329478
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The whole VW story is totally hosed. They sold 3 diesel cars in US and they're getting owned for $15b, but in europe they sell millions, pretty much directly killing a ton of people that would've survived if VW didn't cheat and there's no fine at all. 
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Truga posted:The whole VW story is totally hosed. They sold 3 diesel cars in US and they're getting owned for $15b, but in europe they sell millions, pretty much directly killing a ton of people that would've survived if VW didn't cheat and there's no fine at all.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Interesting take on diesel engine pollution and the German economy: http://www.eurointelligence.com/public/ Athens, London and Paris are all talking of or bringing in surcharges for diesel vehicles too. I think in 5 years time diesel in Europe will be limited to heavy goods vehicles, or people who do a lot of long distance rural driving. Anyone buying a new diesel vehicle over the next few years is going to experience a big drop in re-sale value when they try to get rid of it, so it makes sense to see sales figures for new diesel vehicles dropping already in anticipation of this.
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The VW scandal is a really interesting insight into the actions of the EU. The reason fines in Europe are minimal is that, after the scandal, a committee raised the limit. Through the legal principle of Nulla poena sine legge (a law is retroactive only if it favors the defendant) that means that VW was preemptively allowed to walk free. It's disgusting but it's also the clearest example of the EU being a tool of class war for corporations.
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So after some depressing myself in the UKMT I entered Nederpol because I was thinking "hey maybe Amsterdam will be a choice after UK collapses", and I see they're going to elect some idiot anti-immigration xenophobe, huh. Is there ANY country in the EU left with reasonable politics or is everyone tanking hard to the right?
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Truga posted:The whole VW story is totally hosed. They sold 3 diesel cars in US and they're getting owned for $15b, but in europe they sell millions, pretty much directly killing a ton of people that would've survived if VW didn't cheat and there's no fine at all.
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