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kenny powerzzz
Jan 20, 2010
I don't remember. Definitely not the worst thing you could do though. I watched a kid use a microphone stand as in impromptu slide at an open jam night once. With a borrowed Les Paul. That one ended quickly.

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TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.
The worst thing you can do to someone's instrument is bore a hole in it with a drill and then gently caress it while audibly noting that you're thinking about their mom. So obviously these books are trash and Rothfuss is a hack.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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You could just gently caress the sound hole. :shrug:

I think the worst thing you could do to a musician's instrument is turn it into a bass guitar. No one likes hanging out with those guys.

PJOmega
May 5, 2009
I thought it was using a musician's instrument to serenade and seduce their mother.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

kenny powerzzz posted:

I don't remember. Definitely not the worst thing you could do though. I watched a kid use a microphone stand as in impromptu slide at an open jam night once. With a borrowed Les Paul. That one ended quickly.

I like to play the guitar with sandpaper and an electric drill.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Reene posted:

This is old hat: http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2012/02/concerning-hobbits-love-and-movie-adaptations/

tl;dr he talks about the idea of finding a high school crush on a porn site and how being in porn would ruin everything he liked about a woman, and compares this to the Hobbit movies.
Oh my god. This is borderline disturbing to me. Everything about that belies so many issues with women, sex and ego. And makes me realise that every creepy thing with Denna in these loving books is 100% genuine and not at all self aware.

Look I know we shouldn't judge the author's work from the author's weird ramblings and whatnot. I've never liked the personal Rothfuss hate train, when I'd rather be criticising the books rather than the man. (Though admittedly it is hard to disassociate when talking about a first person narrative that talks about how great the protagonist is and does come off like a wanky power fantasy, so of course it will happen more than with other authors...) I also hate it when people hyperbolise over something weird someone said and they're all like "JESUS CHRIST" "that's what a serial killer sounds like"...

quote:

You know that it’s going to be like? It’s going to be like wandering onto an internet porn site and seeing a video of a girl I had a crush on in high school. You probably knew someone like her. The smart girl. The shy girl. The one who wore glasses and was a little socially awkward. The one who screwed up the curve in chemistry so you got an A- instead of an A.

She was a geek girl before anybody knew what a geek girl was. And that was kinda awesome, because you were a geek boy before being a geek was culturally acceptable.

You liked her because she was funny. And she was smart. And you could actually talk to her. And she read books.

And sure, she was girl-shaped, and that was cool. And she was cute, in an understated, freckly way. And sometimes you’d stare at her breasts when you were supposed to be paying attention in biology. But you were 16. You stared at everyone’s breasts back then.

And yeah, you had some fantasies about her, because, again, you were 16. But they were fairly modest fantasies about making out in the back of a car. Maybe you’d get to second base. Maybe you could steal third if you were lucky.

And maybe, just maybe, something delightful and terrifying might happen. And yeah, it would probably be awkward and fumbling at times, but that’s okay because she’d be doing half the fumbling too. Because the only experience either one of you had was from books. And afterwards, if you make a Star Wars joke, you know she’ll get it, and she’ll laugh….

That’s the girl you fell in love with in high school. You didn’t have a crush on her because she was some simmering pool of molten sex. You loved her because she was subtle and sweet and smart and special.

So you stroll onto this porn site, and there she is. Except now she’s wearing a thong and a black leather halter top. She’s wearing gently caress-me red lipstick and a lot of dark eye makeup. Her breasts are amazing now, proud and perfectly round.

Someone’s taught her to dance, and she does it well. She’s flexible and tan. She has a flat midriff and walks like a high-class Vegas stripper. Her eyes are dark and smouldering. She has a riding crop, and she likes to be tied up, and her too-red mouth forms a perfect circle as she sighs and moans, and tosses her head in a performance designed to win any number of academy awards….

And what’s the problem with this? Well… in some ways, nothing. What you’ve found is perfectly good porn. Maybe even great porn.

But in other ways the problem is blindingly obvious. This girl has nothing in common with your high-school crush except for her social security number. Everything you loved about her is gone.

We loved the sweet, shy, freckly girl. We still remember her name, and after all these years she lives close to our heart. Seeing her in lipstick and stiletto heels dancing on a pole is like watching Winnie the Pooh do heroin and then glass someone in a bar fight.
...But jesus christ, does that sound serial killery to anyone else? From the rambling adolescent sex fantasies to the implied dehumanisation of sex workers? (Or of just girls who enjoy sex?)

You would think someone who compares porn actors to violent junkies was anti-porn. Maybe that's why he feels the need to paint it where he's like "Oh pardon me, sirs. I, a grown man, appear to have wandered onto this hub of pornography by accident. How very droll."

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Did you guys think that a fantasy author would have Good views on women or something

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I don't know how creepy it is, but it certainly does imply either that sex workers don't read books and aren't smart, or that what he really loved about her was her shyness and awkwardness, not her intelligence and sweet nature.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

It's nothing really new. Assuming for a second that he actually is a feminist, there's a pretty big divide with feminists, at least ones I've seen online, and being a sex-positive woman. Just look at the response to Emma Watson showing off some skin. She's apparently not a feminist any more because she decided to express herself. In Rothfuss's case, I think he just puts women on a pedestal as these mystical, perfect fey beings who are pure, innocent things who need protecting. The kind of condescending poo poo that can happen with male feminists.

They kind of miss the point.

StonecutterJoe
Mar 29, 2016
Rothfuss is a Nice Guy. He is very invested in being a Nice Guy, and don't question his feminism, you slut.

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Nov 4, 2009

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HopperUK posted:

I don't know how creepy it is, but it certainly does imply either that sex workers don't read books and aren't smart, or that what he really loved about her was her shyness and awkwardness, not her intelligence and sweet nature.

Or both.

I also kinda got a vibe that what he REALLY liked about her was either her inferred virginal status, or that he fell in love with a vague outline of a person he made up in his mind rather than actually getting to know her. Because "She likes books and has tits!" doesn't seem to me like he knows her very well on a personal level at all.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep
It can be discomfiting to come across a familiar face like that but geez laweez that's a lot of words to dedicate to "MUH WAIFU HAZ BEEN DEFILED"

Why does he care so much about someone he used to know doing porn? Mind your own business Pat

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

HIJK posted:

It can be discomfiting to come across a familiar face like that but geez laweez that's a lot of words to dedicate to "MUH WAIFU HAZ BEEN DEFILED"

Why does he care so much about someone he used to know doing porn? Mind your own business Pat

Doesn't he also have a wife too? Wonder how she feels about that.

HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

pentyne posted:

Doesn't he also have a wife too? Wonder how she feels about that.

Ahahahahahahaha yup, oh gosh.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
It's kind of creepy to speculate about some dude's personal life.

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

It's kind of creepy to speculate about some dude's personal life.

It was very creepy indeed for him to have written the stuff that forced us to speculate about what in his personal life led him to think that was ok.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Guys, I don't think what he wrote really happened to him. He's just making a labored metaphor about movies using women as the object.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Rothfuss posted:

like watching Winnie the Pooh do heroin and then glass someone in a bar fight.

Not gonna lie I'd kinda like to see that.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Jimbot posted:

It's nothing really new. Assuming for a second that he actually is a feminist, there's a pretty big divide with feminists, at least ones I've seen online, and being a sex-positive woman. Just look at the response to Emma Watson showing off some skin. She's apparently not a feminist any more because she decided to express herself. In Rothfuss's case, I think he just puts women on a pedestal as these mystical, perfect fey beings who are pure, innocent things who need protecting. The kind of condescending poo poo that can happen with male feminists.

They kind of miss the point.

Except in his writings women are one-dimensional and often just sex objects. Complete with the tavern girl who literally has Sexdar and therefore knew Rothfuss's self-insert wasn't lying about his totally awesome time with the fairy sex goddess.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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We always said "bottling someone" if you smashed anything glass against their head in a fight, but I really like "glass" to mean the same thing. I may start using that.

Koryk
Jun 5, 2007
Glassing is stabbing someone with a broken bottle.

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot
Glassing is nuking from orbit huge surface areas of a planet.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

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HopperUK posted:

I don't know how creepy it is, but it certainly does imply either that sex workers don't read books and aren't smart, or that what he really loved about her was her shyness and awkwardness, not her intelligence and sweet nature.

Half the sex workers I know of are huge loving nerds who read comics and play D&D and poo poo, dude is a dumbass

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.

Lightning Lord posted:

Half the sex workers I know of are huge loving nerds who read comics and play D&D and poo poo, dude is a dumbass

That sounds.... unlikely.

Reene
Aug 26, 2005

:justpost:

It's pretty common among the sex workers I know as well. Tons of them are huge dorks.

ETA: I mean it's a moot point because the way he talks about sex workers is incredibly dehumanizing regardless of their loving hobbies but v:shobon:v

Reene fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 12, 2017

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

Benson Cunningham posted:

That sounds.... unlikely.

His mom isn't, his sister is, that's half, man.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
:yikes:

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.
All I mean to say is that a low percentage of people play D&D, so for a high percentage of sex workers to would be strange.


Anyway, who wants to talk about Hyperion? That book loving owns.

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

Benson Cunningham posted:

All I mean to say is that a low percentage of people play D&D, so for a high percentage of sex workers to would be strange.

Lots of weird or fringe preferences are strongly correlated, though. If you've got one you're much more likely to have several.

"She likes D&D, anime, goth poo poo, AND screwing guys for money? What are the odds?!"

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Benson Cunningham posted:

Anyway, who wants to talk about Hyperion? That book loving owns.
It does. Thing is, each sequel owns less. Exponentially.
At this point I'm thinking Hyperion was a fluke - Simmons puts out so much crap he sometimes just happens to do a good book by accident.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

A human heart posted:

Did you guys think that a fantasy author would have Good views on women or something
Catherynne Valente does. :colbert:

shirts and skins
Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!

anilEhilated posted:

It does. Thing is, each sequel owns less. Exponentially.
At this point I'm thinking Hyperion was a fluke - Simmons puts out so much crap he sometimes just happens to do a good book by accident.

The first sequel is pretty good. Hyperion will feel pretty incomplete without it. Do not read either Endymion under any circumstances.

Mr. Unlucky
Nov 1, 2006

by R. Guyovich
im surprised it happened but this hack managed to make a good character in rhin. the game had problems but he wasn't one of them, somehow.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Mr. Unlucky posted:

im surprised it happened but this hack managed to make a good character in rhin. the game had problems but he wasn't one of them, somehow.

Probably because he was forced to work in a shared creative universe and given restrictions on what he was and wasn't allowed to do.

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.
Or...... he just made a good character? People aren't usually 100% terrible at anything.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



shirts and skins posted:

The first sequel is pretty good. Hyperion will feel pretty incomplete without it. Do not read either Endymion under any circumstances.

The Endymion books had some cool things in them (like the FTL ships that had no kinetic dampeners in them so they murdered all of the passengers and then reformed them using the Cruciforms) but other than that, it was kinda bad.

Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion were pretty good though.

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.
Wherein OFP (Our Friend Pat) suggests it is easier to write tawdry fan fiction than a complex narrative of 800+ pages to the surprise of no one.

Please don't read the actual fan fiction he wrote. It's just so weeaboo.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

A dude I know got super, super mad when I showed him this thread. It's odd too he's normally really easy going about nerd poo poo

Number Ten Cocks
Feb 25, 2016

by zen death robot

Lightning Lord posted:

A dude I know got super, super mad when I showed him this thread. It's odd too he's normally really easy going about nerd poo poo

I didn't realize jivjov had friends.

Or was this guy mad at Rothfuss?

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HIJK
Nov 25, 2012
in the room where you sleep

Benson Cunningham posted:

Wherein OFP (Our Friend Pat) suggests it is easier to write tawdry fan fiction than a complex narrative of 800+ pages to the surprise of no one.

Please don't read the actual fan fiction he wrote. It's just so weeaboo.

Rothfuss's original stuff certainly reads like fanfic. I can think of a lot of fanfiction that's miles ahead of Rothfuss though, even the silly romantic stuff.

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