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Retcon's not a real word btw
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Xenomrph posted:Oh, yeah, I've got him on ignore so I didn't see that post. But the filmmakers didn't make a sequel to the noir that starts from "nothing that happened in the first film truly matters"--the explicit angle of all subsequent alien movies after Aliens. References and continuity are two different things. It is important also to recognize forces outside the mythical realm of pure artistry. The seeds of Alien: Resurrection, an abrupt turnaround from Alien 3 in all the ways that matter, are planted in Alien 3 being a commercial failure and a noticeably incomplete movie.
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Mar 7, 2017 03:16
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dont even fink about it posted:But the filmmakers didn't make a sequel to the noir that starts from "nothing that happened in the first film truly matters"--the explicit angle of all subsequent alien movies after Aliens. References and continuity are two different things. Now if you're talking "canon", then yes canon and continuity are not synonyms - I've argued that for quite a while. Also Alien3 was far from a commercial failure. The opposite, in fact - it made $150mil, triple its budget. On a strictly budget-to-boxoffice ratio, it was more successful than Resurrection. I agree that the theatrical cut was incomplete, though. Edit-- forgot a 0 up there! Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 03:33
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References and nods and callbacks and retcons and continuity and canon and cinematic universes and expanded universes and tie-ins and easter eggs and
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Mar 7, 2017 03:51
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ruddiger posted:Retcon's not a real word btw But btw is.
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Mar 7, 2017 03:59
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UmOk posted:But btw is. Sorry about your post
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Mar 7, 2017 04:09
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butts this wide (my point was that xeno's definition is arbitrary as it's a made up term/abbreviation used by nerds to reconcile whatever logic problems they perceive in their media timeline). ruddiger fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 04:37
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Elysium was good.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:48
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ruddiger posted:butts this wide Now "dongle", that's a made-up word. Just look at it. Dongle.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:50
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I love "alien lore" but hate "extended universe" borderline fan-fiction level writing so I exist in a state of constant self-hate. Been "ejoying" this youtube channel which is all about ridiculous alien EU and movie lore in the worst ways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UChWMlORreKN0UmokKOdFq-g
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Mar 7, 2017 04:50
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Hmmm. Ellen Ripley is a retcon.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:54
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Xenomrph posted:Not really, "retroactive continuity" has been a well defined term for decades. It's a very common storytelling device, and the Alien series is chock-full of retcons big and small. The Alien Queen concept is a retcon, so is the Engineers being giant albino humans, or the existence of the eggs on the Sulaco. You're missing the point. Retcon can still refer to omission of details and still mean whatever it is fans think it means. Your arbitrary definition means nothing as it's a sliding scale word used for sliding scale plot devices. This thing that wasn't real or matters before exists and matters now. This plot device that was never mentioned before is now mentioned here. That's a retcon. There's nothing that says SMG's interpretation is any less valid than yours, except your post.
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Mar 7, 2017 04:57
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ruddiger posted:You're missing the point. Retcon can still refer to omission of details and still mean whatever it is fans think it means. Your arbitrary definition means nothing as it's a sliding scale word used for sliding scale plot devices. Related to SMG's earlier point, it is interesting that nothing really ever comes of Special Order 937 at Ripley's debriefing. You'd think she'd bring up a "crew expendable" order when she's in a room full of government officials grilling her on why the Nostromo got destroyed.
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Mar 7, 2017 05:15
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Aliens is good because I saw it and liked it before I got on the internet Alien 5 is bad because it hasn't happened yet and I'm on the net now
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Mar 7, 2017 05:44
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You should get off the Internet when you watch Alien 5 so you'll enjoy it. My wife is always on the internet when we're watching things and it makes her miss stuff.
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Mar 7, 2017 06:22
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Elysium has a lot of good ideas and the production design is on point but it feels a bit undercooked (I think Blomkamp himself has said as much). It's the little stuff--like why did the Elysium station look like it could house about a thousand people max? William Fichtner is just able to write a program that lets him take over the whole kit and kaboodle because Jodie Foster asks him to? Why didn't he just do that before--or why didn't someone else? Is Fichtner a genius programmer? And I like Matt Damon but I'm not a huge fan of his choices in it--he's sort of just playing loquacious Matt Damon, when the role really calls for, well, Eminem or something like that.
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Mar 7, 2017 06:39
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More like Danny Trejo would of wrecked the role.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:00
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porfiria posted:when the role really calls for, well, Eminem or something like that. The role originally called for Ninja from Die Antwoord. He turned it down because he wanted to be known for his music and a major SF epic would overshadow that. So yeah, Eminem or something like that.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:06
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Elysium and Chappie were good, you weenies. Better than District 9, even.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:09
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mllaneza posted:The role originally called for Ninja from Die Antwoord. He turned it down because he wanted to be known for his music and a major SF epic would overshadow that. So yeah, Eminem or something like that. Oh really? I had read Blompkamp wanted Eminem himself. Anyway, it's not like you actually need someone with a, uh, difficult background, but that's the energy I think the part called for.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:16
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Chappie is def Blomkamp's best film.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:18
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In a Blomkamp alien film, Sharlto Copley would be the titular sentient talking alien.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:25
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Die Antwoord is the reason I haven't seen Chappie. I hope David Fincher kills them offscreen during his remake's prologue.
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Mar 7, 2017 07:44
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Your opinion of Die Antwoord's schtick is probably a big factor in your enjoyment of Chappie. I like them, so I liked Chappie.
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Mar 7, 2017 08:56
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K. Waste posted:Elysium and Chappie were good, you weenies. Better than District 9, even. the worst opinion
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Mar 7, 2017 09:03
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ozmunkeh posted:Die Antwoord is the reason I haven't seen Chappie. A wise choice, if you don't like them you'll loving HATE them after that film. K. Waste posted:Elysium and Chappie were good, you weenies. Better than District 9, even. I know CineD deliberately trolls sometimes but this is too obvious, even for here.
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Mar 7, 2017 09:14
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I never even heard of them before that movie, but they were fine. America stole the show in Chappie anyway.
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Mar 7, 2017 09:31
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America was ripped in half by a radical Christian.
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Mar 7, 2017 09:33
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America is also born again in Chappie (note the gesture Chappie makes after he forgives Hugh Jackman).
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Mar 7, 2017 09:41
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Even thought I think South Africans are nicer people than just regular British people, Chappie was not that good.
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Mar 7, 2017 11:39
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I thought District 9 was ok. I don't get why people think Blomkamp is a genius because of it. His other movies seem to be him retreading his steps with an increasing lack of impact. Blomkamp is the M. Night Shyamalan of Science Fiction.
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Mar 7, 2017 13:49
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SirDrone posted:In a Blomkamp alien film, Sharlto Copley would be the titular sentient talking alien. Wasn't one of the old Kenner Alien toys an undercover dude dressed as an alien?
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Mar 7, 2017 13:50
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Dinosaurs! posted:Wasn't one of the old Kenner Alien toys an undercover dude dressed as an alien?
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Mar 7, 2017 15:58
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Xenomrph posted:Yes, "ATAX". He had snap-on bits that made him look like an Alien Queen.
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Mar 7, 2017 16:05
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Chappie and Elysium are dope as gently caress and make District 9 seem just okay.
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Mar 7, 2017 16:28
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david_a posted:Wow. I distinctly remember that live action bit with the flying queen but nothing about ATAX. Still weird to me that they made toys for a 10 year old R-rated movie.  toys with insane action features and firing missiles that could put your eye out.The Aliens toys were intended as part of a tie-in for a larger multimedia project called "Operation Aliens", which would have centered around a Saturday morning cartoon. Apparently the show got far enough along that the pilot episode got animated before it got scrapped (and you can find screen caps of it online, but I've never seen full-blown animation clips). But they made a ton of merchandise for it that actually made it to store shelves - party favors, school supplies, lunch boxes, a board game, and the aforementioned toys. It even gets a brief shout out in an AvP trading card set that came out around that time. I don't think the show planned on having Predators, I'm pretty sure the cartoon had been scrapped by the time the Predator toyline started rolling out.
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CelticPredator posted:Hey here's some more just for you! Goddamn this is good stuff. RIP Bill.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:34
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Neo Rasa posted:This mostly (video but a lot of it us transcripted under): A little bit of a derail, but I recently watched most of Chappie, and I've never seen a main character supposed to elicit sympathy (Chappie's "Daddy") that I wanted to see get murdered more. OMG he was unlikeable, and everytime he managed to not I would groan. Why did he focus so much on such easily seen unlikeable leads (slow mo on his near death, and I'm rooting for the bad guys). What a misstroke, and a resulting hard movie to watch. edit: I see all the convo about it last page. Woops. Shageletic fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 17:37
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SleepCousinDeath posted:Chappie and Elysium are dope as gently caress and make District 9 seem just okay. Truest post on the page.
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It's weird that in the 80's and 90's it was assumed kids were watching R rated movies, of course they were. So why not have cool toys for kids? I guess nothing has changed except now those cool toys are more expensive and sold as collectibles for manchildrens.
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