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Spiritus Nox posted:KyoAni's production standards are so far ahead of the rest of the industry that it's kind of insane.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:25
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Endorph posted:There are a few other studios that are actually sane about things too. Polygon Pictures (the sidonia/ajin guys) seem to have a reasonable workflow and the president of it actually made a point of saying that he wanted his staff to have time to go home to their families, and the staff for pokemon is ridiculously far ahead of schedule, probably because they realized they'd be in it for the longhaul at some point. I'm surprised to hear that about Pokemon of all things. I can't remember precisely where I got this idea, but I was under the impression that long running shounen/shounen-adjacent stuff was particularly hellish in terms of production. Good for them.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:27
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm surprised to hear that about Pokemon of all things. I can't remember precisely where I got this idea, but I was under the impression that long running shounen/shounen-adjacent stuff was particularly hellish in terms of production. Good for them. Maybe Shirobako Season 2 will finally shed some light on the matter  After all these years, though, it really doesn't surprise me that the people making Pokemon have gotten it down to a science by now.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:31
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I think we can say Deen downgraded their game and KonoSuba is better for it.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:51
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm surprised to hear that about Pokemon of all things. I can't remember precisely where I got this idea, but I was under the impression that long running shounen/shounen-adjacent stuff was particularly hellish in terms of production. Good for them. It probably is for stuff like One Piece where they don't have that long to adapt new manga chapters as they come out. At least that's my impression off it.
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Mar 7, 2017 19:52
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm surprised to hear that about Pokemon of all things. I can't remember precisely where I got this idea, but I was under the impression that long running shounen/shounen-adjacent stuff was particularly hellish in terms of production. Good for them. pokemon sumo has benefited pretty heavily from both pretty talented staff and moving to digital, which has made production easy enough for the show to even be as well-animated as it is in the first place
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Mar 7, 2017 20:26
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Mar 7, 2017 20:49
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What's that from?
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Mar 7, 2017 21:09
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:What's that from? 
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Mar 7, 2017 21:31
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:What's that from? 
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Mar 7, 2017 21:33
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You all should be watching Ai Mai Mi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjJYO8atpkk
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Mar 7, 2017 22:04
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Ai Mai Mii is still excellent. Also stop insulting Eupho, please.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:14
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Also Choborau Nyopomis Pixiv is pretty good.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:17
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Also Choborau Nyopomis Pixiv is pretty good. Gesundheit
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Mar 7, 2017 22:18
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Lol
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Mar 7, 2017 22:19
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm surprised to hear that about Pokemon of all things. I can't remember precisely where I got this idea, but I was under the impression that long running shounen/shounen-adjacent stuff was particularly hellish in terms of production. Good for them. I'm not sure if that's the case with modern Pokémon, but it was definitely so with the first season of the show. It was so tightly scripted that , if you removed the four months the show was on hiatus due to the Seizure Incident (After episode 38, from December 16, 1997 to April 16, 1997) then the episodes that cameod Mewtwo (63 and 65) would have both aired in June 1998, right before the first movie would have premiered in Japanese Theaters in July 1998.
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Mar 7, 2017 22:29
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If it weren't for Euphonium we wouldn't have the advanced legwork in Maidragon, which will also probably be in every KyoAni production from here until eternity, jfc show some respect for your elders
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AnacondaHL posted:If it weren't for Euphonium we wouldn't have the advanced legwork in Maidragon, which will also probably be in every KyoAni production from here until eternity, jfc show some respect for your elders Yeah, pay your respective homages to Munto.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:23
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darkgray posted:Right, stepped up their game from that amateur hour Euphonium, I guess? Euphonium is as appealing to me as sand is for breakfast.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:53
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why? it's a fantastic drama with great characters. if you don't like it that's one thing but dismissing it out of hand seems weird.
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Mar 8, 2017 01:55
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Tales of Euphonia
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Mar 8, 2017 01:58
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Guy Goodbody posted:You all should be watching Ai Mai Mi
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Mar 8, 2017 02:44
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Motto posted:The Shinbo simulator inches ever closer to automating directing duties. Microsoft Powerpoint has had automatic templates since at least 2001
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Mar 8, 2017 03:20
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Guy Goodbody posted:You all should be watching Ai Mai Mi
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Mar 8, 2017 03:31
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So I'm just going to preface this by saying that I only really watched like 5 episodes of Euphonium several months ago. So if it gets drastically better later on or in season 2 or something, that's something I'm not going to know about, and I don't really remember it all that well (which is, honestly, kind of my point). Normally, I'd take the effort to actually go through and give it a decent second pass before typing something like this out, but my time as of late is a bit short, and I don't really want to spend it on watching a show that probably wouldn't find it's way onto my backlog on its own merit. Not that I'm saying Euponium is a bad, or even not worth watching show. It's actually pretty good, and had it caught my eye when it aired I'd probably have seen it through to the end and generally enjoyed it. The problem is that it's not any kind of big step forward for KyoAni. If you take any of the great KyoAni shows like say Haruhi or K-On or Nichijou, I can't really bring myself to compare what i saw of Euphonium to any of them without Euphonium jut feeling sort of out of its depth. I guess when it comes down to it, those shows all felt like some big step forward, a show that didn't just have effort and love put into it (all KyoAni shows have that), but some kind of grand inspiration. they felt like the studio was breaking new ground of some sort. Meanwhile, Euphonium is not that. It's a nice superficial step forward, but underneath it all is just a more well executed version of the same thing KyoAni puts out all the time, right down to the character designs just being their same character designs as always. The characters themselves felt like placeholders 90% of the time. "This is the serious BAND character. She takes INSTRUMENTS very seriously. She has nothing else going for her, yet is apparently supposed to be one of the main driving forces of the plot." "This is the main character. She does...band I guess? Look she'll probably take place in most of the plot or something." And this is to say nothing about the fact that there's a bunch of just outright one-note characters to fill the rank and file of a band with dozens of people in it. The plot/drama didn't really win me over in any way, which is probably the reason I can have no desire to go back to the show. Honestly just replace any random sports anime with a band and you more or less have the plot. It's seriously nothing special. And you can say great thing about the directing, but note that, A) I came away from it not really even noticing it, and, B) if you're going to say it stands on directing alone, you're going to have to compare it to things like, say, Monogatari. And it's not winning that comparison; I'm not even sure its directing would win a comparison to MaiDragon this season. It's not a big, passionate step forward like the "great" KyoAni shows, it's a superficial step forward and a hundred steps sideways. In a year or so, It'll join the ranks of Chuunibyou as a show that people generally enjoyed, but wasn't all that amazing. It's taking your big huge army out and marching it around in a circle: a nice display, but nothing you could call a victory with a straight face.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:21
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If the writing didn't speak to you then it didn't speak to you, but I'm confused by your assertion that KyoAni was reusing character designs for Euphonium? Whose design is Reina supposed to be aping? Or Kumiko? Or even any of the side characters?
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Mar 8, 2017 04:30
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Spiritus Nox posted:If the writing didn't speak to you then it didn't speak to you, but I'm confused by your assertion that KyoAni was reusing character designs for Euphonium? Whose design is Reina supposed to be aping? Or Kumiko? I meant that in the sense that they're all sort of in the same art style as K-on or Tamako Market or Chuunibyou, as opposed to something like MaiDragon where they sort of feel a bit more original.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:33
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AnoHito posted:It's not a big, passionate step forward like the "great" KyoAni shows, it's a superficial step forward and a hundred steps sideways. In a year or so, It'll join the ranks of Chuunibyou as a show that people generally enjoyed, but wasn't all that amazing. It's taking your big huge army out and marching it around in a circle: a nice display, but nothing you could call a victory with a straight face. seriously if you don't like it, that's cool, just say 'i didn't like it' instead of trying to argue with people who did like it.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVhh6SsyLNA watch this scene my dude it's an 8 minute long concert scene and its directed perfectly and gets every detail of how the instruments are played right, gives the individual characters small interactions with each other while they are playing, and even gives a few of the incredibly minor background characters personality in shots of them playing or looking at the notes they have on the sheets i could do an essay on this scene
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Mar 8, 2017 04:39
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imo it's fine if kyoani has a house style. people don't stop sucking SHAFT's dick for their dumb headtilts, kyoani should be able to have their adorable af shiny eyes.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:41
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The last thing animation should be doing is imitating real life IMO
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Mar 8, 2017 04:44
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I wouldn't really say Eupho's art style imitates real life significantly more than a show like Haruhi does.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:51
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Endorph posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVhh6SsyLNA That is a good scene, yes. There's a lot of good things I could easily point out not even really having context for it, and if I was watching along as it aired, I probably would have applauded it. But it's not that special. There's easily like dozens of better scenes in Haruhi. The concert scene in K-On (I should really watch Linda Linda Linda) was probably better too, and scenes like that weren't even the point of K-On. Also, if I'm going to do that thing I've been doing of being overly critical, it honestly feels about 3 minutes too long, imo. I feel like I got the point 4-5 minutes in and it just decided it had to keep going and doing more or less the same thing it did for the first half of the scene.
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Mar 8, 2017 05:07
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In Training posted:The last thing animation should be doing is imitating real life IMO
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Mar 8, 2017 05:07
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AnoHito posted:That is a good scene, yes. There's a lot of good things I could easily point out not even really having context for it, and if I was watching along as it aired, I probably would have applauded it. But it's not that special. There's easily like dozens of better scenes in Haruhi. The concert scene in K-On (I should really watch Linda Linda Linda) was probably better too, and scenes like that weren't even the point of K-On. again dude, it's cool if you don't like euphonium. a lot of people did. it did some amazing things with the medium and was directed exceptionally well. those two things are pretty much objective fact, considering how many awards the director has won and how many people in the industry have praised her. if it didn't do anything for you personally, that's fine. you don't need to act like people are overrating it or that everyone will forget about it in a year, especially when there actually isn't that much praise for it in western anime fandom (or even jp anime fandom, a lot of the praise for it seems to be actual animators) to begin with. You can just say you didn't enjoy it.
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Mar 8, 2017 05:10
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haruhi does next to nothing for me and disappearance is the only part of it i enjoyed but im not gonna deny how influential it was or that it deserves to be remembered
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Mar 8, 2017 05:13
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In Training posted:The last thing animation should be doing is imitating real life IMO you posted:Haruhi takes place in the real world, and animating real locations convincingly is
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Mar 8, 2017 06:02
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Euphonium was great and much better than Kyoani's current offering, but I really hope that the studio uses a more interesting source material for their next show.
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