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Mors, you are a master at building suspense. I mean that in a genuine way. I already know how this case ends and I'm still eagerly anticipating every update. Keep up the great work. 
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Added Space posted:This entire game series is meant to satirize the actual functioning of the Japanese court system, which is only slightly better and significantly more boring. Indeed, and I believe that how the Japanese court system works is unpopular in Japan itself. Hence the satire originating from japan. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 4) - Part 5    : Sorry, Edgeworth. I didn't mean to get you in trouble... : Hmph. Don't worry about it. : This is my problem, not yours. : Hope I'm not interrupting anything, pals.: ...: ... : Oh...: Guess I am. : I'll come back later.He goes to leave. : Oh, Detective Gumshoe! What is it?But he comes back!  : You've got a lot of nerv, pal! Making a detective run all around while on duty, : and to top it off you call me here... I've seen happier people at funerals!: I take it Lana's having you run errands again.: Let me tell you, this is the last time, pal! : "Evidence Law"? (Edgeworth was talking about this just the other day...)  : Rule 1: no evidence shall be shown without the approval of the Police Department! : I-is that right, Mr. Wright!?: It seems so.: You could at least study some evidence law! Really! : A message?: She said, "If you're planning to take HIM on," : ("him"... I guess I'll need to give this book a thorough read...)  : Doesn't look like that book'll do you any good now though. All that's left now is : the Chief Prosecutor's sentence.: That's where you're wrong, Detective. : Huh? : Haven't you figured it out yet? Why I'm still sitting in that prosecutor's seat... : despite all these allegations being thrown at me?: Mr. Edgeworth...: The real trial today... : hasn't begun yet.: What!? What else is there left to do? Your credibility's been all but ruined with this forged evidence you were unaware of, Ema Skye found out she unwittingly caused a man's death... And now you're telling me you want to do more!? You've gotta be kidding me, pal!: You're missing the point, Detective. Lana didn't murder Detective Goodman.: ...!: She merely stuck a knife into his dead body. That means the real killer... is still out there.: What!?: (And we're going to expose him... No matter what it takes! This case has hurt too many people. It's time to bring it to an end!)     : The court will now reconvene for the trial of Ms. Lana Skye. : Mr. Edgeworth.: Yes, Your Honor? : The inquiry committee is planning to impose harsh penalties for your actions.  : Thank you for the news, Your Honor.: Yes, well... *a-hem*: Normally, this is where the prosecution calls forth a witness... but, er... *a-hem* *cough* *cough* This isn't easy to say...: You see, there is some concern that Mr. Edgeworth may have, ah... : Struck a bargain? : ...! : You think I may have manipulated the witnesses.: I didn't say that!: It's just, you see... Everyone has been talking, and... : ...: Very well, Your Honor.: I have a solution.: A solution?: That being the case,: the prosecution will allow the defense to call forth all further witnesses.: What!?: But there's never been a case example...: Undeniably this is an unusual arrangement...: but a very effective one.: It would prove that I haven't struck any "deals" with the witnesses. : Hmm...: Well, Mr. Wright? What do you say?: ... (Unbelievable.)   : Very well. The defense accepts the prosecution's proposal.: Then it's settled.: The, uh... defense... may now call forth the next witness!: Mr. Wright.: ...!: You do realize this is your last chance? If you call the wrong witness...: this trial is as good as over.: The defense calls...   : Damon Gant.: The defense calls Damon Gant to the stand!: D-Damon Gant...?: What does he have to do with anything!?: ... : As the defendant's partner two years ago, Mr. Gant has first-hand knowledge of the crime.: I feel we should hear what he has to say about it.: Hmm...: As luck would have it, he should still be in the courthouse.: He would also be the least likely to have been manipulated by me in any way.: Wouldn't you agree, Your Honor? : True...: All right. Bailiff! Please escort Mr. Gant to the stand!  : Witness. Please state your name and occupation. : What is this, some kind of practical joke? : I was just on my way to lunch!: Your name and occupation, sir.: Worthy... Are you sure you want to do this?  : Your name and occupation! : So... : You want to play hardball, eh?: P-please, Mr. Gant.: ...: Fine. : My name is Damon Gant. I'm the acting Chief of Police.: Now then, Chief Gant. The court requests to hear your testimony.: Oh, Wrighto. What's with the grim face?: First, let's clear up this SL-9 Incident.: Oh, you mean that time when Lana's sister murdered that prosecutor?: Personally, I think it's been made pretty clear already. : There are still some things unaccounted for.: Oh? Like what?: Like the role you played in all of this.: ... Son...: Either you're very brave... or very foolish.: ...: You are aware of course that a police chief has all kinds of weapons at his disposal? : "Weapons"...?: Sure. Take my testimony, for example.: I don't have to give it if I don't want to.: What? : Is that true?: I'm afraid so...: The Chief of Police has the right to refuse to testify.: Of course,: such an action carries with it certain risks...: ...: Don't worry.: I'm not here to hinder your trial. : Just remember...: If this turns out to be a big waste of time, don't say I didn't warn you.: Very well. The witness may now begin his testimony.       : Hmm...: Is that when Darke was arrested?: Him? He was lying on the floor unconscious. : I see... Everything seems pretty clear-cut.: (If the police chief has the right to refuse to testify...): (Then I'd better hit him hard and fast!)   : As I recall... a ceremony was held at the Police Department that day...: Yes, that's right. I guess you oculd say I'm a workaholic... : That's probably what spooked Darke, and made him run away like that. : I don't quite remember...: At the very least, she wasn't there when Darke ran for it. : So the two of you ran immediately after him, right?: That's right, but Darke made it to the elevator first, so Neil and I split up.: He went upstairs and I went downstairs.: I guess you could say...: he got "lucky.": What's this about a power outage?: Oh, that.: The elevator stopped all of a sudden, and I got the shock of my life.: Well...: Probably not as shocked as Neil was when that knife went into his heart, though.: (That's not funny...) : Could you tell us what you saw?: It was a shocking sight... : Darke was also lying collapsed on the floor?: Yes, apparently he hit his head and was knocked out. : (Lana and Ema...): Lana was cradling Ema in her arms. Looking back at it now...: She must have already known what her sister had done.: ...! : How can you know that!?: Because of the victim's body.: It had already been moved.: So that means... : That's right.: I think you said earlier, : Yes...: ...: Anyway... : So you're saying... : that the forgery had already taken place by the time you arrived at your office?: That's exactly what I'm saying.: I can understand how Lana must have felt,: but moving a body and hiding evidence are inexcusable no matter what the circumstances.: (Is that how it really went down?): Staring at the witness won't do you any good, Mr. Wright.: !: If you're going to stare at anything...: you'd be better off staring at the Court Record.: Worthy, Worthy... Always the smooth talker.: (But which piece of evidence ties Gant to the forgery...?)Loop. : (Lana did admit to forging evidence...): (But that can't be the whole truth.): (Somehow I've got to link Gant to the incident!)Next time: Can you see how? 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Mar 4, 2017 19:58
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Mors Rattus posted:
OH COME THE gently caress ON  Just subpoena the motherfucker
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Mar 4, 2017 20:14
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Seeing Edgeworth and Phoenix essentially working together really is a treat to see.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:18
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Mors Rattus posted:
How can one man be so great? 
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Mar 4, 2017 20:20
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Wow, Gant is turning nasty, now that the heats on him. Very casually dismissive of the whole thing... As for what the evidence is... Is it the stuff we found in the safe- the pot fragment and the hand-print? Both of those implicate Ema, and he had them locked up, so I''m pretty sure that ties him to the forgery...
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resurgam40 posted:Wow, Gant is turning nasty, now that the heats on him. Very casually dismissive of the whole thing... It's pretty great how he goes from amicable guy that likes swimming and would loan you $50 no matter what to cold and callously dismissive of Neil's death.
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Mar 4, 2017 20:32
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resurgam40 posted:Wow, Gant is turning nasty, now that the heats on him. Very casually dismissive of the whole thing... Yeah, I'm thinking this too. Mikl posted:OH COME THE gently caress ON What, you think that people are equal before the law in Japanifornia or something?
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Mar 4, 2017 20:40
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Well the biggest thing right now is how would he know if it was a forgery if he just got there? For all he knows there's a manpile with a knife sticking out of it and the Skye's in the corner, so how does he know the crime scene's been manipulated?
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You have to stop doing this to me. I thought this trial was going to be over sooner and having never played the games I was super excited to figure it out before we got to the reveal. (granted it does telegraph pretty heavily but still it makes the player, or reader feel smart for figuring it out or figuring out how to finger the clear criminal." I just want to see the GLORIOUS MELTDOWN that someone this smug and powerful has when getting beat. I assume that he will also probably refuse to testify at some point where we'll have to say, you have to testify cause now you are a criminal. I just want to see how it ends man!
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C. Everett Koop posted:Well the biggest thing right now is how would he know if it was a forgery if he just got there? For all he knows there's a manpile with a knife sticking out of it and the Skye's in the corner, so how does he know the crime scene's been manipulated? The pretense he's currently operating with is that it's because he's been watching the trial and Phoenix proved that Ema pushed Neil onto the armor. So he's speaking about what he saw back then, but also with the hindsight granted now that he knows the crime scene must have been altered.
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Mors Rattus posted:
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Woah, who did you piss off? I love this tension, can't comment knowing the outcome but Mors you pick the best moments to leave off for for dramatic purposes.
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Mar 5, 2017 14:09
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Man, Lana is a wizard at cleaning blood off of swords.
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Is this a contradiction? Seems like hes saying he was in the elevator during the outage, which clearly does not fit with the narrative he presented if they were supposedly chasing Darke and he fled into the elevator.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 4) - Part 6   : If you really had nothing to do with the forgery...  : W-what's that!?: And what's that on it... a handprint?: Chief Gant! Your explanation, please! : ...: I don't know.: You tell me, son.: Huh?: My dear Wrighto. Don't you know: the second rule of evidence law? : Rule 2: "Unregistered evidence presented must be relevant to the case in trial." : Tell me, how is that rag relevant to this trial? : It appears... the defense was not prepared.: (I guess it's too early to use this piece of evidence.): Please accept my profound apologies, Chief.: Would you mind giving the defense another chance?: Well, okay. I'll do it just this once. But only because you asked, Udgey.: Thank you. I assure you the defense is terribly sorry.: Ha ha ha...: (Yeah. Sorry I didn't nail you...)Whoops. Let's try that again.  : You claim you had nothing to do with the forgery... : but I'm afraid that is a claim you cannot back up. : Explain yourself.: Several pieces of evidence were found in your office. : That's that Blue Badger you showed us earlier.: A piece of this jar was discovered in your safe.: ...: Not only that, : was actually found inside your desk!: It was found where!?: You see, Chief Gant.: These articles of evidence uncovered in your office...   : Chief Gant! What's the meaning of this!?: Ho!: Here's a defense attorney who may even rival Worthy!: So you admit to it, then? That you were involved in the forgery?: Who, me?: Or do you mean...: you?: Me? Why would I have anything to do with that!?: Well...: You were the one who snuck into my office when you "found" this evidence.: ...!: Prosecutors aren't the only ones capable of forging evidence, you know.: Defense attorneys can do so too.: Isn't that right, Wrighto?: However! Detective Gumshoe was present during the investigation!: Worthy, my boy. Not even detectives are exempt from the law.: Rest assured Dick will receive his due punishment.: Wh...: WHAAAAT!>: (If Detective Gumshoe's salary drops any further, he'll end up paying to work!): Yes, well. In light of the Detective's presence...: please give us your testimony regarding these pieces of evidence found in your office,: and their relation to the forgery that took place at the crime scene.: My, my...: Kids these days no longer know how to put two and two together...       : Hmm...: Mr. Wright.: Yes, Your Honor?: When investigating the crime scene...: you should have been more careful to observe protocol.: You do understand that I am the Chief of Police, right? There will be consequences...: Ooh...: Indeed, I believe I will press charges... so you won't make the same mistake again.: My apologies, Chief, but would you mind waiting: until tomorrow for that?: Today is...: well, you know...: All right, Udgey.: In return, though...: I know! I know! That place, right?: (Huh? What are these guys, telepathic?)  : I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making these ridiculous allegations.: Yes, you do have a point...: You wouldn't have the guts to do something like that...: What!?: I'll have you know, back in the day I once broke into a cattle ranch, and tipped-: M-Mr. Wright! What are you saying!?: Anyway, you can't prove you didn't carry in the evidence, can you?: If you have proof to the contrary, you're going to need it later.: Later? What are you talking about?: What else?: I'm talking about when your fingerprints are found.: Yes. If they're found inside my safe,: they would prove your investigation was illegal.: Grrr... (I've never faced anyone as slimy as this guy!) : What do you mean by that?: This is all purely hypothetical, of course...: but suppose I did place those items in my safe. Such an act...: wouldn't necessarily constitute forgery.: If concealing evidence found at a crime scene isn't forgery...: I'm not through speaking yet, Mr. Wright.: It all depends on "when" the evidence was discovered.  : wasn't discovered in the initial investigation?: It would appear not.: After all, it wasn't listed in the evidence list.: For all we know, it could have suddenly materialized the day after Darke was sentenced.: Oh, and wouldn't that be convenient...: Wright.: !: The Chief is talking about a "possibility." So long as you can't rule that out... your remarks, however clever they may be,: will only succeed in wasting time.: (Tell me something I don't know...): Come now, Mr. Wright.: Think about it. : How can you look me in the eye and say that!?: Because I'm innocent.: ...!: Remember?: Who was it that murdered Neil?: I'm not sure I care for the word "murder" here...: but in the end the person responsible for Mr. Marshall's unfortunate demise... : ...: Well? Now do you see? : Really, Chief Gant?: At the very least, there is one very large benefit you've reaped from all this.: Oh? I wasn't aware.: What is this "benefit"?: That would of course be the position you have - Chief of Police.: Oh...: The resolution of the SL-9 Incident secured your promotion to Chief.: That in itself is sufficient motive!: ...: Ho! Ho! Ho! Oh,: that's a good one.: Huh?: Do you really think I'm that incompetent?: What do you mean?: Even without that case, I was already in line to become the next chief.: The resolution of SL-9 merely sped up the inevitable a little.: Is that true, Edgeworth?: Yes..: He was going to be made Chief anyway. : Be careful when pointing that finger...: or you might wind up being the one pointed at!: So that means...: there's only one possible motivation for you to commit forgery. If you didn't do it for yourself...: then you did it for someone else. : Don't be silly, Worthy. You know me better than that. There are only three people I look out for:: Me, Myself and I. ...: There, it's out in the open now.: Udgey, would you mind if I changed my testimony a little?: By all means, please do! : "Nothing in it" for you?: Sorry, but the only person I care about is Yours Truly.: That girl... Lana's little sister, was it? : You're right...: You don't feel sorry for anyone.: Be tough on crime and tough on people.: That's how I was raised.: You seem to be lax enough on yourself, though.: Ho! Ho! Ho!: Oh, that's a good one, Worthy!: (Hmm...): (Could there have been something in it for him?)  : (Bah! I can't think of how it would help him!): (That means...) : Relax and take a deep breath, Mr. Wright.: !: Try to think "outside the box.": After all, that's what you're good at, isn't it?: Think outside the box... (I never thought I'd heart him tell me that...) : (It's "Who would ask the Chief for help?") And we loop. : It appears...: the defense has nothing more to say.: Chief, would you please repeat your testimony from the beginning?: ...Next time: What did Gant have to gain? Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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I'm in an annoying position where I have both played and beaten this game but can't remember anything from the back half of this case, so I can't post my clever insights in case I'm just remembering poo poo instead of being smart.
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eh, this update is pretty clear cut anyways. Just post away, if you can't remember if its something you remember or not, that's unreliable enough to call it speculation anyway.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:38
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What he had to gain was a future chief prosecutor under his thumb, obviously.
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It is kind of magical just seeing how high Japanifornia law can stack poo poo. 'You can't use that evidence in proving a prosecutor's complicity in a crime, the prosecutor didn't acknowledge it in building the case (against themselves)!' 'You've definitively proved the innocence of the accused to the agreement of all present, however unless you can find and force a confession from the true guilty party in one day we're going to convict them anyways.' 'Tampering with evidence? Those kinds of laws don't really apply to police and prosecutors. Hell, as a defense lawyer, you shouldn't even be able to SEE what evidence we have, what are you getting at?' Japanifornia is the worst of Japanese legal proceedings with just a hint of what might be terrible American practice in there as well, and if Phoenix keeps winning cases like this the social fallout of this system collapsing is going to be loving ugly.
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Mar 8, 2017 04:53
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They can't cut Gumshoe's salary anymore now that he's fired. ...Right? 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:They can't cut Gumshoe's salary anymore now that he's fired. They can make him pay his salary back... and then pay them for every mistake he makes while fired 
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Mar 8, 2017 05:19
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I really love Gant's progression from his introduction as Cheerful Weirdo Boss.
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Green Intern posted:I really love Gant's progression from his introduction as Cheerful Weirdo Boss. It's really great. I just wish he was a little more ordinary looking as he kind of screams "will be testifying later" due to his over the top colour scheme and giant size.
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Gant is very much a AA4 design. The quality of his sprite compared to Phoenix and Edgeworth is notable.
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Being the Chief of Police has its perks. Quality sprite work is one of them.
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Green Intern posted:I really love Gant's progression from his introduction as Cheerful Weirdo Boss. Hes scorpio from the simpsons.
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Wow, what a slimy rear end in a top hat. But, yeah, paragon1 has it, I think: why would an ambitious control freak balk at a chance to control both the Police Force and the Prosecutors through a "favor" that can guarantee silence through blackmail?Mors Rattus posted:
You know, I know our Judge is probably not corrupt (or if he is, not jaded enough to call a plainly accidental death murder, even if the Chief has no such compunction), but... for how befuddled and easily misled he is, I don't think I'd be surprised if his appointment to Judge was managed by a job (and a good job, too). Wonder what Gant has on him... (Explanation: the link goes to a song from an obscure Gilbert & Sullivan operetta by another fictional judge who, like our Phoenix came from humble beginnings, but unlike our Phoenix didn't exactly get ahead by helping out the innocent... I've actually been wanting to link to it for a while now, but wanted a good opportunity, so eh)
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I always read "that place" as the pool, because Gant really wants to go swimming as per his introduction.
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The stuff with Redd White in Case 2 does suggest that Udgey has some skeletons in his closet he could be blackmailed with.
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Mar 8, 2017 14:25
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The skeleton is that he wears a speedo.
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Xander77 posted:Phoenix for the last two replies, probably? Just the final one, actually. Thanks!
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Honestly, just once in a blackmail story I'd like one of the people being blackmailed to have the balls to figure out what the blackmailer has on everyone else, then immediately out all of their secrets right then and there and just go "OK, can we proceed with collectively kicking this assholes' butt now? We can deal with the fallout later." Kind of like what Marco did to himself in Star Vs with the weird secret telling wart. Unrealistic I know, but drat if it wouldn't be satisfying. If you throw everyone under the bus it's axles will eventually jam after all  Although I loved the twist the fan-musical put on the Redd White case where it connected the Chief Prosecutor being in Redd's pocket with Lana's coverup. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 8, 2017 |
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Eh, Redd White's comeuppance was kind of close to that, if not as viscerally satisfying as seeing his 'customers' tear him apart themselves.
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BioEnchanted posted:Honestly, just once in a blackmail story I'd like one of the people being blackmailed to have the balls to figure out what the blackmailer has on everyone else, then immediately out all of their secrets right then and there and just go "OK, can we proceed with collectively kicking this assholes' butt now? We can deal with the fallout later." Kind of like what Marco did to himself in Star Vs with the weird secret telling wart. Unrealistic I know, but drat if it wouldn't be satisfying. If you throw everyone under the bus it's axles will eventually jam after all You really almost never see anyone dead agent themselves in reality or fiction. It's a drastic step for sure.
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Whole buncha people questioning Uncle Phil's integrity in this thread. Whole buncha people gonna take a one-way express trip out the front door.
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I was actually looking for an excuse to mention Trial By Jury, and I recognize it was flimsy; I have no reason to actually suspect the Judge of anything Besides, having the Judge be on somebody's take or otherwise corrupt would be too cynical for the tone Ace Attorney is trying to set- if the defense had literally no recourse, that would be too pessimistic. But seriously, the subject matter might be somewhat lighter, and AA doesn't use a jury system, but were this a musical, would something like this be out of place in Japaniforrnia? Chorus: Hark! The hour of ten is sounding; hearts with anxious fears are bounding; Hall of justice, crowds surrounding, breathing hope and fear! For today in this arena, summoned by a stern subpoena, Edwin, sued by Angelina, shortly will appear! : Now, Jurymen, hear my advice! All kinds of vulgar prejudice I pray you set asideWith stern judicial frame of mind, from bias free of every kind this trial must be tried. : Oh, listen to the Plaintiff's case; observe the features of her face:The broken-hearted bride! Condole with her distress of mind! : And when, amid the Plaintiff's shrieks,The ruffianly defendant speaks upon the other side, what he may say you needn't mind! : W-What?!: We all know it's true, Wright!
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BioEnchanted posted:Honestly, just once in a blackmail story I'd like one of the people being blackmailed to have the balls to figure out what the blackmailer has on everyone else, then immediately out all of their secrets right then and there and just go "OK, can we proceed with collectively kicking this assholes' butt now? We can deal with the fallout later." This happens in the greatest motion picture based on a board game, Clue.
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