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Some of the Japanese attempts to reinforce Guadalcanal were butchered. I don't know you'd consider that an invasion. For all their difficulty, almost all of WW2's amphibious invasions were successful, if bloody.
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TO: IJN Locker full repeat locker full stop when will you stop sending me more stuff I can't fit it all in stop the world wonders stop From: Davey Jones
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Donkringel posted:Speaking of Taffy 3, in WW2 was there ever a horrifying amount of sinking that occurred for an invasion fleet like we are seeing? Battle Off Samar is the only thing I can think of and that was just a narrow dodge from disaster. Guadalcanal. 
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Donkringel posted:Speaking of Taffy 3, in WW2 was there ever a horrifying amount of sinking that occurred for an invasion fleet like we are seeing? Battle Off Samar is the only thing I can think of and that was just a narrow dodge from disaster. Battle of Savo Island came close, but that was the Japanese sinking a number of Allied cruisers then withdrawing before they really got to work over the transports. And, like the Battle of Leyte Gulf, they would have hit the transports after they'd already landed their troops.
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Bismarck Sea wasn't an invasion fleet (it was reinforcements), but it resulted in about half the troops dying.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Battle of Savo Island came close, but that was the Japanese sinking a number of Allied cruisers then withdrawing before they really got to work over the transports. Though unlike Leyte, killing the transports there may have potentially resulted in the US being forced off the island for a time - they were still loaded with supplies that the men would really need in the weeks to come. For another mess of an amphibious invasion, there's always the Allied retaking of Kiska Island in the Aleutians, where the Allies managed to to suffer over 300 casualties, including 32 KIA (plus another ~200 MIA; probable KIA), in a two day operation against zero opposition.
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The German invasion of Norway was kind of a poo poo show in terms of invasions by sea. quote:German ships sailed up the fjord leading to Oslo, reaching the Drøbak Narrows (Drøbaksundet). In the early morning of 9 April, the gunners at Oscarsborg Fortress fired on the leading ship, Blücher, which had been illuminated by spotlights at about 04:15. Two of the guns used were the 48-year-old German Krupp guns (named Moses and Aron) of 280 mm (11 in) calibre. Within two hours, the badly damaged ship, unable to manoeuvre in the narrow fjord from multiple artillery and torpedo hits, sank with very heavy loss of life totalling 600–1,000 men. The invasion of Crete had a naval component that is always overshadowed by the Paratrooper landings. quote:An Axis convoy of around 20 caïque's, escorted by the Italian torpedo boat Lupo, tried to land German reinforcements near Maleme. Force D under Rear-Admiral Irvine Glennie, with three light cruisers and four destroyers, intercepted the convoy before midnight; the convoy turned back and despite being covered by Lupo, lost more than half of its ships.[49] The attacking British ships suffered only slight damage caused by friendly fire.[50] About 2⁄3 of the German force of over 2,000 men was saved by the Italian naval commander, Francesco Mimbelli, against an overwhelmingly superior Allied naval force. A total of 297 German soldiers, two Italian seamen[51] and two British sailors on HMS Orion were killed.[52] Only one caique and one cutter from the convoy reached Crete. The caique landed 3 officers and 110 German soldiers near Cape Spatha, while the cutter arrived safely in Akrotiri, where her crew was engaged by a British Army patrol[53] and took heavy casualties. Of the German soldiers who landed at Akrotriri, only one managed to get through the British lines and join the German paratroopers already fighting for Chania Operation Husky wasn't without its losses, but nothing substantial. Should be noted though that, aside from Crete, both examples lost ships to aircraft or coastal/defensive guns rather than other ships.
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Will we ever get a proper count of troops sunk or will we just have to guess it from troop loss points?
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Bip Roberts posted:Will we ever get a proper count of troops sunk or will we just have to guess it from troop loss points? The manual states its random, which is due to fog of war. Maybe the results are 100% accurate, maybe they are only 5% accurate. Only way to know is being the Allied player, or extensively comparing points.
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Lord Koth posted:Though unlike Leyte, killing the transports there may have potentially resulted in the US being forced off the island for a time - they were still loaded with supplies that the men would really need in the weeks to come. Apparently they had 130 casualties from trench foot alone. Don't GIS trench foot. quote:Admiral Ernest King reported to the secretary of the Navy, Frank Knox, that the only things that remained on the island were dogs and fresh brewed coffee. Knox asked for an explanation and King responded, "The Japanese are very clever. Their dogs can brew coffee." 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWHoLtuUE0g 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXE5cpLMFVc Japanese dogs are super clever.
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What's worse? Trench foot or whatever those soldiers had that they just stopped wearing pants because it was raining poo poo out their asses.
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algebra testes posted:What's worse? Trench foot or whatever those soldiers had that they just stopped wearing pants because it was raining poo poo out their asses. Dysentery.
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   As you can see in the bottom left corner, a lot of planes get lost this morning.  Flak bags a liberator.  Battleship! Another toy for the pile!  This is not the slaughter yesterday was.  This is more like it.  Damage begins to mount.  The afternoon attacks seem to be better co-ordinated.  We sink another landing ship.   We have a late addition to the pile.   Just another day at Hankow.   Lets skip to the kill sheet shall we!  Disappointing! We could be doing much better!
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Some heads have GOT to be rolling back home over this. Do we know roughly how many troops the Allies have lost over the past few days?
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Mar 8, 2017 18:37
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Do the carriers even have enough munitions left to launch sorties against the South Dakota?
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Donkringel posted:Speaking of Taffy 3, in WW2 was there ever a horrifying amount of sinking that occurred for an invasion fleet like we are seeing? Battle Off Samar is the only thing I can think of and that was just a narrow dodge from disaster. Operation Hailstone is the closest real-world parallel I can think of.
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Mar 8, 2017 19:00
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whitewhale posted:Do the carriers even have enough munitions left to launch sorties against the South Dakota? They might be light on torps. Can AGs restock them at sea?
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The Chinese troops at Hankow have been out of supply and under constant attack for how long now and they're still holding on. That's incredible.
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Mar 8, 2017 19:39
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TildeATH posted:The Chinese troops at Hankow have been out of supply and under constant attack for how long now and they're still holding on. That's incredible. It's Hankow, they're just snacking on the endless supply of Hot Dry Noodles.
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So of the originally detected task force Grey has sunk 15 so far plus half a dozen more as floating wounded then the total loss could be 2/3 of the originally detected fleets. That's not a bad innings. Hope to see a few more get hammered tomorrow although I would expect at this point the carriers will be running fairly empty.
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Lord Koth posted:For another mess of an amphibious invasion, there's always the Allied retaking of Kiska Island in the Aleutians, where the Allies managed to to suffer over 300 casualties, including 32 KIA (plus another ~200 MIA; probable KIA), in a two day operation against zero opposition.
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  US forces start landing on Tarawa.  These guys have balls of steel, starting at 23,000 yards, they come in at full speed under the guns of my much larger force, getting to 8,000 yards before they take a hits and make a break for it!  Another battleships is spotted! (Or the same one under a different name.)  We continue to attack the civilian shipping.  We also send the Caradoc a complementary bouquet of bombs for a job well done.  The enemy fighters from Efate are getting involved now.  While I would like them to attack the battleship, I also know I'm already out of torpedoes, and 250kg bombs will not be enough – they are enough to cause massed damage to the enemy troopships though!  These are thousands of troops that I will not have to dig out of insane terrain bonuses.  For everyone who has ever said “Well, Grey has sunk all the American carriers, but its ultimately meaningless because....” - This is my response to you.  This. This is what carrier supremacy in 1943 feels like.  Fighting starts on Tarawa, our men are surprised by the assault, but hold out – with no enemy carriers, I can send in reinforcements if needed.  We see more fighting at Hankow.  We advance again in the mountains.  We took more plane losses today.  Only two confirmed kills? That's going to go up over time.
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I mean, it will ultimately be meaningless: You will lose the war eventually. But it's gonna suck a whole hell of a lot more for the US than it did in real history.
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That is a pretty good day. Well done you.
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Night10194 posted:I mean, it will ultimately be meaningless: You will lose the war eventually. Defeatist talk
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Someone do me some stats on them boats. Or don't and I'll have a look when I get home.
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Night10194 posted:I mean, it will ultimately be meaningless: You will lose the war eventually. When was it ever said I was able to win this? the whole point is to do better than historically, and I think this is a high point!
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Grey Hunter posted:When was it ever said I was able to win this? the whole point is to do better than historically, and I think this is a high point! Very much. You're definitely doing way better than the real-world Imperial Japanese at this point!
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Night10194 posted:I mean, it will ultimately be meaningless: You will lose the war eventually. Isn't that the whole point of "victory" conditions? Also, I have full faith in Admiral Grey to win this. Next year in San Francisco!
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Dewey is gonna campaign in 1944 on the brazen incompetence of the South Pacific campaign.
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Is there any reason why the carriers are doing all the work, and there doesn't seem to be any land-based air from Espiritu Santo contributing? Too busy getting blown up by Liberators? Seems to me like the perfect place to base a ton of Betties.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I wonder how mythical the American Will To Fight really is. I mean, at what point does the United States finally say "Well, really, Hawaii was just a colonial naval base...:
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TildeATH posted:I wonder how mythical the American Will To Fight really is. I mean, at what point does the United States finally say "Well, really, Hawaii was just a colonial naval base...: Given how the AI just makes a plan, then sticks to it no matter what, the same immense stubbornness piecemealing TFs into Grey's jaws may just keep the war going eternally.
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TildeATH posted:I wonder how mythical the American Will To Fight really is. I mean, at what point does the United States finally say "Well, really, Hawaii was just a colonial naval base...: Generally killing more dudes is not the way to weaken the Will to Fight throughout history
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HannibalBarca posted:Dewey is gonna campaign in 1944 on the brazen incompetence of the South Pacific campaign. Newspaper title on November 8, 1944: Dewey Defeats Delano.
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Shouldn't it be worthwhile to detach some of those Battleships to go after the allied convoys too?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Generally killing more dudes is not the way to weaken the Will to Fight throughout history Funny there are literally as many examples where it is as where it isn't.
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