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How many quarters after Q1 2016 till Marissa Mayer is unemployed?
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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

WrenP-Complete posted:

An app that scans USB codes and allows you to make a charitable donation to offset your guilt.

Scanfree. Helpscan.

No, wait

Sixr.

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TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
An app that lets you store and share photos. If you send a photo to someone without the app, it comes with an easy link to get the app, which the recipient will do because they want to see the picture. Families will use it to share pictures, making it very likely for the app to go "viral." Groups of photos can be grouped into album-like sequences we call "Narratives."

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

TheScott2K posted:

An app that lets you store and share photos. If you send a photo to someone without the app, it comes with an easy link to get the app, which the recipient will do because they want to see the picture. Families will use it to share pictures, making it very likely for the app to go "viral." Groups of photos can be grouped into album-like sequences we call "Narratives."

Narratr: Tell Your Own Story

New idea:
A plug in wifi access point that backlinks over powerline ethernet

WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 8, 2017

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

RandomPauI posted:

An app that sends an escort to listen to you with the option of buying friendly, non-gropy hug. And that's it. No review can refer to anything beyond the talk session/hug session and anything that happens after that is independent of the terms of use of the app. This is completely legitimate and not a front for prostitutes.
I investigated if "strippers as an app" was a thing a few years back after talking to a couple trainers at the gym that were moonlighting. The answer is no, there is no "uber for strippers", and this area faces similar challenges to Uber itself:

1) A lot of stripper booking agencies are run by organized crime or similarly shady people.
2) In some areas, phone-order prostitution services pretend to be stripper services. Both these workers and their customers would need to be actively kept off the service, unless it was also explicitly a prostitution app somewhere that was legal.
3) In some areas private shows have legal issues that are probably going under the radar with private bookings.
4) Strippers are much more frequently targeted by stalkers than cab drivers, so privacy is super important as well.

To this day I'm pretty sure there doesn't exist a "high tech" stripper service, and there probably won't for a long time. Especially not after Uber's tailspin.


One other stripper fact I learned: Almost all the strippers have stage names and profiles on an agency booking website, and all the ages are of course lies. 95% of women list their age in their early 20s; most are older. 95% of men listed their age as exactly 25; most are younger. I'm sure some jackass is running those photos through facial recognition.

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Discendo Vox posted:

You don't understand why it's a bad idea to give technical visas solely to the companies with the most money to spend on them?
When the higher-salary businesses scoop up the best citizen employees we don't seem to think it's a problem. What better signal do we have that an immigrant would add productively to the economy than having a sponsor willing to pay more?

If the problem is the price for skilled labor getting too high, just give out more visas. Or just set a high salary floor and give out as many visas as people can be hired at that rate.

If the problem is that certain special kinds of low-paying employers have to compete (nonprofits maybe), then split the pools and give them a separate process.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


ShadowHawk posted:

I investigated if "strippers as an app" was a thing a few years back after talking to a couple trainers at the gym that were moonlighting. The answer is no, there is no "uber for strippers", and this area faces similar challenges to Uber itself:

1) A lot of stripper booking agencies are run by organized crime or similarly shady people.
2) In some areas, phone-order prostitution services pretend to be stripper services. Both these workers and their customers would need to be actively kept off the service, unless it was also explicitly a prostitution app somewhere that was legal.
3) In some areas private shows have legal issues that are probably going under the radar with private bookings.
4) Strippers are much more frequently targeted by stalkers than cab drivers, so privacy is super important as well.

To this day I'm pretty sure there doesn't exist a "high tech" stripper service, and there probably won't for a long time. Especially not after Uber's tailspin.


One other stripper fact I learned: Almost all the strippers have stage names and profiles on an agency booking website, and all the ages are of course lies. 95% of women list their age in their early 20s; most are older. 95% of men listed their age as exactly 25; most are younger. I'm sure some jackass is running those photos through facial recognition.

There were a few interesting web services to help people find sex workers (or to help sex workers advertise/screen clients), but they've all been shutdown by the government long before they could become an app. MyRedBook and Rentboy.com were the most famous.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
A bunch of alternatives to lyft and uber have popped up in Austin and things are going just fine

quote:

"There's no secret sauce," Joe Deshotel, spokesman for Ride Austin told CNNTech. "The technology is becoming easier to replicate. It's really about culture. Do riders and drivers like what you're doing? Do they feel like they're a part of it?"

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod



he can't stay stuff like that. uber's valuation is way too high for a company with nothing preventing its market from jumping to a competitor

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

ShadowHawk posted:

When the higher-salary businesses scoop up the best citizen employees we don't seem to think it's a problem. What better signal do we have that an immigrant would add productively to the economy than having a sponsor willing to pay more?

If the problem is the price for skilled labor getting too high, just give out more visas. Or just set a high salary floor and give out as many visas as people can be hired at that rate.

If the problem is that certain special kinds of low-paying employers have to compete (nonprofits maybe), then split the pools and give them a separate process.

The amount a company will pay for an employee has never been a good measure of their economic multiplier effect, and there's a whole range of negative externalities when the scope of the h-1b immigrant population is set by the highest bidder. Again,

Discendo Vox posted:

Different visas have different goals, and the goals of the h-1b visas, which aren't for immigrant or permanent employees, are not the same as those intended to attract "top-notch talent". While they are intended to have indirect positive economic effects, they aren't meant to guarantee those benefits to the companies or groups that can afford to outbid all the others.

The answer to the problems of displacement, fraud and abuse don't have to do with replacing the lottery system. You're choosing the single worst part of the entire apparatus to target. There are existing labor protection provisions on the visa program, the problem is they aren't enforced strongly enough.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
The Daimler owed mytaxi app seems to currently be expanding rapidly in Europe. They're currently gobbling up regional competitors, with Hailo being fully re-branded this week. To quote their own site:

quote:

With over 10 million downloads and more than 45,000 participating taxis, mytaxi is the leading taxi booking app in Europe. mytaxi users can book and pay for taxis in more than 40 cities in 6 countries.

Still small change compared to uber, but I wonder if they have a more sustainable model with regard to profitability/employee treatment.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Blut posted:

The Daimler owed mytaxi app seems to currently be expanding rapidly in Europe. They're currently gobbling up regional competitors, with Hailo being fully re-branded this week. To quote their own site:


Still small change compared to uber, but I wonder if they have a more sustainable model with regard to profitability/employee treatment.

I can't tell if they recognize their employees as employees or not. I'm not getting why folks don't just try to monopolize a middleware hailing app.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Uber will stop greyballing ... someday.

quote:

In a statement on Wednesday, Joe Sullivan, Uber’s chief security officer, said the company was conducting a review of how the technology had been used.

“We are expressly prohibiting its use to target action by local regulators going forward,” Mr. Sullivan said. “Given the way our systems are configured, it will take some time to ensure this prohibition is fully enforced.”

A company spokesman, asked why Uber could not fully enforce the prohibition immediately, declined to elaborate further.

Uber said that a number of organizations had inquired about the program and that the company planned to respond once it finished its review.
e: By the way, has there been any further news about Theranos, our previous poster child?

A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Uber will stop greyballing ... someday.

e: By the way, has there been any further news about Theranos, our previous poster child?

I'm sure there were no controls/oversight/auditing functionality built into it, so all you can say is "I'm super serious guys, don't do that anymore!"

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

Discendo Vox posted:

The amount a company will pay for an employee has never been a good measure of their economic multiplier effect, and there's a whole range of negative externalities when the scope of the h-1b immigrant population is set by the highest bidder. Again,

quote:

Different visas have different goals, and the goals of the h-1b visas, which aren't for immigrant or permanent employees, are not the same as those intended to attract "top-notch talent". While they are intended to have indirect positive economic effects, they aren't meant to guarantee those benefits to the companies or groups that can afford to outbid all the others.

The answer to the problems of displacement, fraud and abuse don't have to do with replacing the lottery system. You're choosing the single worst part of the entire apparatus to target. There are existing labor protection provisions on the visa program, the problem is they aren't enforced strongly enough.
The biggest enablers of abuse seem to be either underpaying or importing a class of worker that you can abuse because they can't easily find another job. Raising salaries (by either auction or floor) targets those two problems directly.


It's like, here we have this company Infosys that everyone agrees is abusing and underpaying their workers, and we have Facebook and Google saying they can't import all the people they want to pay 150k+ a year to. And we have two reforms that would directly prevent Infosys from competing while letting Facebook and Google import the people they want and pay them a big salary. Why on earth can't we agree that's an improvement?

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Anything that forces wage up is a improvement

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

ShadowHawk posted:

The biggest enablers of abuse seem to be either underpaying or importing a class of worker that you can abuse because they can't easily find another job. Raising salaries (by either auction or floor) targets those two problems directly.


It's like, here we have this company Infosys that everyone agrees is abusing and underpaying their workers, and we have Facebook and Google saying they can't import all the people they want to pay 150k+ a year to. And we have two reforms that would directly prevent Infosys from competing while letting Facebook and Google import the people they want and pay them a big salary. Why on earth can't we agree that's an improvement?

Because it's causing harm to other areas- in particular, it lets a small set of companies control the H-1b supply and restricts the scope of the workers that can be imported. Again, the goal is a combination of factors. Again, it would be helpful to ask why they weren't just letting people buy visas at top prices in the first place.

Baby Babbeh
Aug 2, 2005

It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!



I mean, we want to destroy a system where bodyshops like Infosys monopolize spots because they flood the zone with low-skilled technical workers they can use to undercut wages, but we also don't want to create a system where Facebook and Google monopolize the spots because they're the only ones who can pay to bring in $200K unicorn engineers in bulk.

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

Alphabet’s Waymo asks judge to block Uber from using self-driving car secrets

Uber can't help but to hire the most fine, upstanding employees contractors.

Nude Bog Lurker
Jan 2, 2007
Fun Shoe
Cckld: an app to find a local bull to gently caress your wife

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Nude Bog Lurker posted:

Cckld: an app to find a local bull to gently caress your wife

So you can have a minotaur baby?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Baby Babbeh posted:

I mean, we want to destroy a system where bodyshops like Infosys monopolize spots because they flood the zone with low-skilled technical workers they can use to undercut wages, but we also don't want to create a system where Facebook and Google monopolize the spots because they're the only ones who can pay to bring in $200K unicorn engineers in bulk.

Infosys can't fully flood the zone because there's a lottery. And as previously mentioned,

Discendo Vox posted:

The answer to the problems of displacement, fraud and abuse don't have to do with replacing the lottery system. You're choosing the single worst part of the entire apparatus to target. There are existing labor protection provisions on the visa program, the problem is they aren't enforced strongly enough.

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)

Baby Babbeh posted:

I mean, we want to destroy a system where bodyshops like Infosys monopolize spots because they flood the zone with low-skilled technical workers they can use to undercut wages, but we also don't want to create a system where Facebook and Google monopolize the spots because they're the only ones who can pay to bring in $200K unicorn engineers in bulk.

Why? If they're hiring these people, there's still the other people on the market they didn't hire, which maybe they would've, but them being too stupid/unproductive for Facebook and Google doesn't mean they're too stupid/unproductive for other employers. So now other employers hire people smarter than they otherwise would have hired.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


it's still insanely dumb google made a holding company or whatever and called it alphabet. you're google you dumbasses.

remember when uber changed their icon that made sense to some dumb poo poo that still don't make any sense.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

sarehu posted:

Why? If they're hiring these people, there's still the other people on the market they didn't hire, which maybe they would've, but them being too stupid/unproductive for Facebook and Google doesn't mean they're too stupid/unproductive for other employers. So now other employers hire people smarter than they otherwise would have hired.

haha literally a more money = better than argument, nice

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)

boner confessor posted:

haha literally a more money = better than argument, nice

Yes, this is generally true. It's a fluid labor market, you see.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

App idea! It looks at a set of documents and it tells you the priority the person (or group) described should have in immigration. Twist: you don't know what it bases the decision on.

It's a neural network, but for immigration!

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

sarehu posted:

Yes, this is generally true. It's a fluid labor market, you see.

i mean it makes sense, given that women are at least 17% less intelligent and productive than men

and you don't even want to get in to gauging how productive black people aren't, hoo boy. their long finger bones prevent them from writing code efficiently

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

WrenP-Complete posted:

App idea! It looks at a set of documents and it tells you the priority the person (or group) described should have in immigration. Twist: you don't know what it bases the decision on.

It's a neural network, but for immigration!

RandList. It works on multiple levels.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Discendo Vox posted:

RandList. It works on multiple levels.

An app that gives you the location of crying children near you.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

WrenP-Complete posted:

An app that gives you the location of crying children near you.

Pacifindr.

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)

boner confessor posted:

i mean it makes sense, given that women are at least 17% less intelligent and productive than men

I don't know how you score intelligence -- it's pretty dumb to act like you have an amount of it like that -- but less than half as many girls as boys get 800 on the SAT Math. As you get to higher standards than that, the proportion gets lower and lower. What is this 17% from?

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

Was 17% too low for you to describe how stupid women are?

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

sarehu posted:

I don't know how you score intelligence -- it's pretty dumb to act like you have an amount of it like that -- but less than half as many girls as boys get 800 on the SAT Math. As you get to higher standards than that, the proportion gets lower and lower. What is this 17% from?

Way to miss the forest for the flaming dumpster fire.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

Dirk the Average posted:

Way to miss the forest for the flaming dumpster fire.

iDerailr?

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
sarehu is and has been trolling, hth

A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib

WrenP-Complete posted:

App idea! It looks at a set of documents and it tells you the priority the person (or group) described should have in immigration. Twist: you don't know what it bases the decision on.

It's a neural network, but for immigration!

Yeah but then inherent biases will probably get into the training data and then you end up with "well it's only admitting rich white Europeans, but it can't be biased, it's a machine!"

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012

A Man With A Plan posted:

Yeah but then inherent biases will probably get into the training data and then you end up with "well it's only admitting rich white Europeans, but it can't be biased, it's a machine!"

This was the joke I was hoping to make, ha!

sarehu
Apr 20, 2007

(call/cc call/cc)
Because all people are created equal, it's perfectly fine to reject one person from immigration and accept another in their place. The only measure of morality there is the total number you let in. It makes a lot of sense to make an algorithm that chooses immigrants based on externalities of their intake, if it actually works, and if there are externalities that are valuable to you. For example you might model the probability of them getting on welfare, or whether they're likely to have both spouses in the workforce, or likelihood of being a drug addict, based on country of origin, religion, DNA, or facial appearance. There was a neat study done in China that shows you can predict criminality from the latter.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

sarehu posted:

There was a neat study done in China that shows you can predict criminality from the latter.

Too obvious. Try again.

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blah_blah
Apr 15, 2006

Baby Babbeh posted:

but we also don't want to create a system where Facebook and Google monopolize the spots because they're the only ones who can pay to bring in $200K unicorn engineers in bulk.

There were 85000 H1Bs granted last year and Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon had about 13000 applications in total. To contextualize that, the market cap of the S&P 500 is around 21 trillion dollars and the market caps of Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon combined are approximately 2.5 trillion. Even if every single one of their H1B applications was approved it would be only slightly disproportionate to their share of the economy. This doesn't even address the separate (wrong) assumption that people seem to be making, where these companies outbid the entire market across all 13000 applications, including higher paying fields like law and medicine, as well as their entry-level employees versus senior and executive levels elsewhere.

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