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The original candidate for DC Comics' first headlining black superhero was a character called the Black Bomber, a white racist who would turn into a black superhero under stress,[4] and be later described by comics historian Don Markstein as "an insult to practically everybody with any point of view at all."[5]
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Guy Goodbody posted:There are two Marvel superheroes called Thunderbird Goddamn. The X-Men are just a convoluted mess. What does Marvel even pay X-editors to do, look at lady mutant pin-up calendars all day?
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Mar 9, 2017 04:10
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I'm still going to watch the whole thing, but my lack of hype for Iron Fist comes from the simple fact that the trailers and teasers have been poo poo compared to the other Marvel Netflix shows. The Daredevil trailers are so loving good. The S1 trailers are masterpieces. The Jessica Jones trailers set the tone perfectly and that Of Monsters and Men song might as well have been a theme song. Luke Cage had atmosphere, perfect music and showed just enough action and grounded character interaction, and it still pulled off a different feel than the other two. Iron Fist was just techno stuff and him turning to the camera : "It's time..." "This is my destiny..." "I'm going with you" "No you're not!" "You need me" "A change is coming Daniel...become what you were meant to be" (this is the actual sequence of dialogue from the trailer) It's impossible to be more cliche than that.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:10
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Gyges posted:Goddamn. The X-Men are just a convoluted mess. What does Marvel even pay X-editors to do, look at lady mutant pin-up calendars all day? Also, are they hiring?
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Mar 9, 2017 04:11
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As long as Danny punches that dragon, it'll all be worth it. Please don't gently caress us on this, Perlmutter. Aphrodite posted:Also, are they hiring? Bad news, they're being folded into the Inhumans line. Gyges fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 04:13
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Gyges posted:Goddamn. The X-Men are just a convoluted mess. What does Marvel even pay X-editors to do, look at lady mutant pin-up calendars all day? The original Thunderbird had been dead for years before they introduced the second Thunderbird. He died by beating up an airplane  
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Mar 9, 2017 04:23
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Well, that's certainly a way to go out. Especially with 3 other people on site who could stop the plane without dying. 3.5 if Colossus' fast ball is up to snuff.
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Mar 9, 2017 04:49
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Also I think it's made clear Banshee could have disabled it with his powers if Thunderbird just jumped off.
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Mar 9, 2017 05:04
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Who is the guy in the plane and why did Thunderbird hate him so much? Also, if Sepinwall is not just saying your Netflix Marvel show is mediocre but is outright bad, then you are fuuuuuucked. Makes me wonder about the back half of the eps though, and I'm sure Netflix will count on that combined with immediate binging. Longbaugh01 fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 16:32
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It would be hilarious Iron Fist is the only one not get a season 2. They should fold him into Luke Cage if that happens.
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Mar 9, 2017 17:53
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HIJK posted:It would be hilarious Iron Fist is the only one not get a season 2. They should fold him into Luke Cage if that happens. Or just let him fade into the background. I agree with one of the reviews posted earlier, planning out five seasons in advance was a mistake. I think if they had just said they were gonna do four character shows, characters to be named later, then the Defenders, they would've been able to adjust their plans and make the Night Nurse the fourth Defender. She'd be the moral center of the team, she's able to puncture the seriousness of the other characters with tone appropriate humor instead of being the "comic relief", and she's a potential romantic partner for the other three Defenders. It's perfect. Plus she's the hottest woman in the MCU.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:04
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Guy Goodbody posted:The original Thunderbird had been dead for years before they introduced the second Thunderbird. Like, I'm not the worlds biggest X-fan, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt nightcrawlers teleporting work on line-of-sight? So if he can see the plane (for example on pretty much any panel on that second page) he can bamf over to it, grab thunderbird and bamf away?
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Mar 9, 2017 18:13
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I guess now I can chime in and say I have seen the first 4 episodes and they suck and you spend most of the time hoping the Hand would show up already because they would be a vast improvement on the boring side character drama going on. I really want the show to be good so I hope it improves.  [Edit] Watch Legion.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:28
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I don't think tactical realism-ing Chris Claremont comics is a path we want to go down.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:29
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SiKboy posted:Like, I'm not the worlds biggest X-fan, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt nightcrawlers teleporting work on line-of-sight? So if he can see the plane (for example on pretty much any panel on that second page) he can bamf over to it, grab thunderbird and bamf away? There's a range limit. Otherwise he could just put on a space suit and bamf over to Alpha Centauri
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Mar 9, 2017 18:31
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It's also not instant so he'd have to be good at leading the jet.
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Mar 9, 2017 18:43
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Longbaugh01 posted:Who is the guy in the plane and why did Thunderbird hate him so much? The guy in the plane is Count Nefaria and he is a mega-dick.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:14
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Doesn't Thunderbird's brother join X-Force as Warpath or something? And he's basically the same exact character? It's been awhile since I've read them. "Landfill #2! You are so much better than Landfill #1!!!"
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Mar 9, 2017 19:24
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Guy Goodbody posted:Or just let him fade into the background. I agree with one of the reviews posted earlier, planning out five seasons in advance was a mistake. I think if they had just said they were gonna do four character shows, characters to be named later, then the Defenders, they would've been able to adjust their plans and make the Night Nurse the fourth Defender. She'd be the moral center of the team, she's able to puncture the seriousness of the other characters with tone appropriate humor instead of being the "comic relief", and she's a potential romantic partner for the other three Defenders. It's perfect. Plus she's the hottest woman in the MCU. And deny us an adaptation of Marvel's first interracial gay couple???? Honestly though I didn't watch Dexter but the fault really lies with the showrunner it sounds like and Marvel should have known better. Oh well at least Defenders will terrible, probably
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Mar 9, 2017 19:29
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HIJK posted:It would be hilarious Iron Fist is the only one not get a season 2. They should fold him into Luke Cage if that happens. Luke Cage and Iron Fist are always better together. So help me if Netflix fucks up Luke and Danny as buddies, there will be internet hell to pay.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:33
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Presumably part of the casting process for Iron Fist was making sure he had good on-screen chemistry with Luke Cage. They couldn't have hosed that up, right?
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Mar 9, 2017 19:36
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Guy Goodbody posted:Or just let him fade into the background. I agree with one of the reviews posted earlier, planning out five seasons in advance was a mistake. I think if they had just said they were gonna do four character shows, characters to be named later, then the Defenders, they would've been able to adjust their plans and make the Night Nurse the fourth Defender. She'd be the moral center of the team, she's able to puncture the seriousness of the other characters with tone appropriate humor instead of being the "comic relief", and she's a potential romantic partner for the other three Defenders. It's perfect. Plus she's the hottest woman in the MCU. At least they've adjusted their plans moving forward. Punisher was the best part of DDS2 and so his own series is filming right now.
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Mar 9, 2017 19:39
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SiKboy posted:Like, I'm not the worlds biggest X-fan, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt nightcrawlers teleporting work on line-of-sight? So if he can see the plane (for example on pretty much any panel on that second page) he can bamf over to it, grab thunderbird and bamf away? But Thunderbird WANTS a noble warrior's end, not to run and hide! Bananaquiter posted:[Edit] Watch Legion. This. SO MANY TIMES THIS!
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Mar 9, 2017 19:52
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Guy Goodbody posted:Or just let him fade into the background. Which especially sucks, because they really can't do that. The best-case scenario is probably if they mix up the shows, and just use Danny in a Heroes for Hire capacity. Apparently Colleen Wing is pretty good in this show, though. Maybe she'll punch a dragon to death and get chi powers. I'd rather watch a good show than a faithful-to-the-source-material show. Also, though, who said Marvel should even be expected to keep all of these solo ventures running? Daredevil, Punisher, and Luke Cage probably have the deepest roster of characters and stories. Feeling obligated to keep pace with parallel seasons for everyone sounds like a liability. I'd rather they realize what doesn't work, and try something new instead. Moon Knight, or Blade, or whatever.
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Mar 9, 2017 21:01
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Guy Goodbody posted:Or just let him fade into the background. I agree with one of the reviews posted earlier, planning out five seasons in advance was a mistake. I think if they had just said they were gonna do four character shows, characters to be named later, then the Defenders, they would've been able to adjust their plans and make the Night Nurse the fourth Defender. She'd be the moral center of the team, she's able to puncture the seriousness of the other characters with tone appropriate humor instead of being the "comic relief", and she's a potential romantic partner for the other three Defenders. It's perfect. Plus she's the hottest woman in the MCU. I've never read comic-book Jessica Jones, is this likely to happen? I'm not saying I'm against it...
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Mar 9, 2017 21:16
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Xealot posted:Which especially sucks, because they really can't do that. The best-case scenario is probably if they mix up the shows, and just use Danny in a Heroes for Hire capacity. Apparently Colleen Wing is pretty good in this show, though. Maybe she'll punch a dragon to death and get chi powers. I'd rather watch a good show than a faithful-to-the-source-material show. An all new Iron Fist is totally faithful to the source material. I think Danny is the second longest serving/living Iron Fist after the WWI Iron Fist who went MIA for almost a century. Plus on their 33rd birthday a demon comes to kill them and eat their chi/try and eat a baby dragon.
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Mar 9, 2017 21:50
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Yakmouth posted:I've never read comic-book Jessica Jones, is this likely to happen? I'm not saying I'm against it... In the comics, Jessica is normally Jessica Jones Cage.
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Mar 9, 2017 21:54
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Yakmouth posted:I've never read comic-book Jessica Jones, is this likely to happen? I'm not saying I'm against it... I'd think a woman like Jessica, who has many reasons to disdain and mistrust men and who resents traditional trappings of femininity, has probably at least considered it.
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Mar 9, 2017 22:04
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Xealot posted:I'd think a woman like Jessica, who has many reasons to disdain and mistrust men and who resents traditional trappings of femininity, has probably at least considered it. It's never come up in the comics to my knowledge. Jessica's always been straight and most of the time is married to Luke Cage.
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Mar 9, 2017 22:08
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I don't think tactical realism-ing Chris Claremont comics is a path we want to go down. You can't wear that much leather! You'd overheat!!!
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Mar 9, 2017 22:08
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Ugh. Come on Marvel TV, it is not hard is it to make this show about something. It was perfect grounds for a feet-in-two-worlds exploration of identity (with a dash of genre deconstruction). All you had to do was make his mom of Asian descent and BOOM it's a show about a biracial American struggling with the conflicts of his heritage. The top-down order of the father vs the spiritual energy of the mother. Hire a biracial American actor. Make some homage scenes to Brendan Lee while you are at it. Everyone loves it. Cue season 2.
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Mar 10, 2017 00:23
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It'd have to be one hell of a loving homage to make up for spelling his name wrong...
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Mar 10, 2017 00:31
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tooterfish posted:It'd have to be one hell of a loving homage to make up for spelling his name wrong... The dude died 25 years ago, it's impressive that Paolomia even remembers him. That does cast some doubt on his assertion that everyone would love a show with Brandon Lee homages in it, tho
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Mar 10, 2017 00:34
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The only Asian actors without an accent* Hollywood knows are Hiro from Heroes, John Cho, and Ken Jeong. (*: Because they'll never give someone with one the lead.)
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Mar 10, 2017 00:35
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I really don't know why of all backstories they gave him one almost exactly the same as Green Arrow season 1. Even if it's canonicaly true there's no way to avoid comparisons especially if you're doing a worse version of it. Iron Fist should've been a "pooah boy from Chinatown" and he should've had a wacky white trucker sidekick.
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Mar 10, 2017 00:35
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Guy Goodbody posted:The dude died 25 years ago, it's impressive that Paolomia even remembers him. That does cast some doubt on his assertion that everyone would love a show with Brandon Lee homages in it, tho That's basically his entire career, if you don't count Showdown in Little Tokyo... and no one sane is going to do an homage to that pile of poo poo.
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Mar 10, 2017 01:31
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Paolomania posted:Ugh. Come on Marvel TV, it is not hard is it to make this show about something. It was perfect grounds for a feet-in-two-worlds exploration of identity (with a dash of genre deconstruction). All you had to do was make his mom of Asian descent and BOOM it's a show about a biracial American struggling with the conflicts of his heritage. The top-down order of the father vs the spiritual energy of the mother. Hire a biracial American actor. Make some homage scenes to Brendan Lee while you are at it. Everyone loves it. Cue season 2. A Wendel Rand from "India" could open up some interesting casting options when Danny's half sister shows up down the road. poo poo, the actual origin of Wendel is that the previous Iron Fist rand into orphan boy Wendel in a Nepalese bar, and then took him under his wing. Which is how Wendel knew about K'un-Lun in the first place.
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Mar 10, 2017 02:04
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BiggerBoat posted:It's Black Vulcan. Next up for Netflix: DC's Black Vulcan and Whitefish
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Mar 10, 2017 02:08
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Static Shock was an awesome cartoon and honestly was a fine show for black kids to watch and look up to, because he was essentially a Peter Parker type but with dreads and a skateboard and for a WB show it goes on to tackle racism/gang violence head on and plays it pretty straight. My heart will always go out to Spawn, even if Todd Macfarlane's attempt to subvert cultural stereotypes misfired since his black character is essentially a homeless vet who can't takecare of his family (who goes on to become a literal angel-loving, god-slaying psychopomp), but there is a trashbag character named Nightwatch who I was super into as a lad ('93-'95). He was basically Techno-Spawn from the ground up, a black scientist who discovers a top-secret nano-suit, but his precious limited run ended up in time-travel fuckery and I JUST NOW learned from reading his wikipedia that they re-introduce him into She-Hulk's law firm in 20-loving-15 and his storyline is so pants-on-head that I'm wondering if there is like a German word for "the act of wishing they'd just let this character fade away instead of watching him suck really bad now". For the record, Nightcrawler is shown in dozens of books to be able to chain-blink to catch up to speeding vehicles. He just bamfs to an arbitrary spot in the sky at max range, steadies himself mid-air, rinse, repeat. This is exhausting physically so he can't fake-fly or whatever, but he's caught up with speeding trains and helicopters before, but that's all moot when you really just stop and remember that Xavier's psychokinetic abilities dwarfed Jean Grey's until the mid-late 90's decided that she was basically a walking physics engine. He could have easily just frozen the plane in mid loving air, but he never uses his powers for 'reasons' because they honestly made him too strong for too long and you kind of have to forget he is there for a lot of his scenes to make sense. ~  EDIT FOR RELEVANCE: I thought Daredevil S2 should have just been about the Punisher, Elektra seemed to be made of wood and the army of ninjas was just so loving stupid after the grounded mafia crime syndicates of S1, Luke Cage jumps the shark hard when Diamondback shows up (a goon here posted that Cottonmouth's death also sparked the loss of the club and its musical backdrop, which robbed the show of a lot of its black atmosphere and character, which I 100% agree with) and I know this isn't as popular but Jessica Jones just utterly failed to grab my attention at all. I understand that it spoke to a lot of people and got great reviews for the most part, but I just thought the whole thing was so melodramatic from the word go that I never really bought that she was a badass, and only made it to like Episode 4 before my girlfriend finished it without me. The Iron Fist sucking out of the gate is lame, but I was totally unfamilar with the comics and it always sounded really, really dumb, like so dumb that it stood out as especially dumb compared to, say, the blind-streetfighting ninja boxer/lawyer. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Bust Rodd posted:EDIT FOR RELEVANCE: I don't know anything about Xmen, but this I can agree with, though I think JJ made it to 7 or 8 before the writers' room ran out of ideas.
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