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The conq's shield bash is so good that as a zerker I can dodge it and do a dodge attack and the conq recovers fast enough to block it. There is almost no downside to spamming shield bash even against characters that have dodge attacks. If you get someone in the corner it's game over. Every character with a bash can clean house easily on some maps because of this. Bashes in general completely gently caress up balance because their one counter, dodging, isn't reliable due to tracking.
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Mar 9, 2017 01:33
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Yea the game is worse than ever. I can't even play duels either and I am on the PC. If the update tomorrow doesn't fix this stuff gonna have to get a refund. Shame since the few times i can play it is fun.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:40
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Are there notes for the hotfix and patch coming? I can't find them on Reddit.
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Mar 9, 2017 02:52
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Mar 9, 2017 03:45
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The core gameplay of this game is so good but everything else loving suuuuuuucks. Wish they'd sort their matchmaking out so i'm not pitted against autist bladewizards every single goddamn match
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Mar 9, 2017 04:58
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I finally turned chat off today and the game is much more enjoyable. Normally I hate turning it off in games but I feel like it's a requirement for me to have fun in this one. I don't think I could handle much more of the constant salt. So thanks for the recommendation thread!
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Mar 9, 2017 05:34
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Of all the characters why does Kensei have to be the one that just totally clicks with me? Everything he does is done better by other characters, but I just like him. How exactly do you escape a Warden/Conqueror/Warlord once you're out of stamina? Once I go grey I'm just dead because they can't just chain their shoves into free damage until I'm dead.
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Mar 9, 2017 06:54
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Of all the characters why does Kensei have to be the one that just totally clicks with me? Everything he does is done better by other characters, but I just like him. I know right? I play other characters but Kensei is just on-point for me. After hitting the higher skill brackets though, he became a nightmare to play with. I want my drat fixes. You can still dash when out of stamina, so dash backwards or to the side when you see their shoves coming. With Warden and Conq it's easier to do, though Warlord is a giant pain in the rear end because his head is a homing missile and tracks hard. Also, keep away from corners/walls. You are pretty much dead if you get cornered.
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Mar 9, 2017 07:14
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Of all the characters why does Kensei have to be the one that just totally clicks with me? Everything he does is done better by other characters, but I just like him. Unlock and run. Then parry their running attack(warden), jump attack(warlord) or Laugh at the slow conq with no catch up attack.
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Of all the characters why does Kensei have to be the one that just totally clicks with me? Everything he does is done better by other characters, but I just like him. As an LB lover buddy, I feel you. As for your question, unless you have some distance and can side dodge away, in my experience you're hosed. I've died several times to that nonsense.
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Mar 9, 2017 07:15
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Red Mundus posted:The conq's shield bash is so good that as a zerker I can dodge it and do a dodge attack and the conq recovers fast enough to block it. There is almost no downside to spamming shield bash even against characters that have dodge attacks. If you're a zerker you can light attack him out of the bash, no dodge needed. Only Valk's shield bash blocks.
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I finally finished up my Kensei tip/tricks thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NITwwNLNJM First min or so probably not going over much you don't know, but a lot of the other stuff mentioned is stuff that not everyone is aware of.
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Mar 9, 2017 08:04
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Could the peacekeepers ornaments look any stupider? "So let's give her a hood over her helmet...but let's stick a 20 pound metal eagle on top of it also".
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Mar 9, 2017 08:24
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I feel fortunate that I will never experience the problems apparently associated with high level play, since I will always be atrocious.
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Mar 9, 2017 09:54
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Could the peacekeepers ornaments look any stupider? "So let's give her a hood over her helmet...but let's stick a 20 pound metal eagle on top of it also". They're the dunce caps she deserves 
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Mar 9, 2017 11:11
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I just played against someone who ended up telling me that there are several uncounterable GB points against valk. After a blocked or dodged lunge attack, after a missed charge, and after a missed shield bash. He said it was because I had 'negative frames,' and that all classes had them as far as he knew. Google is of no use. Is there a list of points at which GB is uncounterable? That seems like crucial loving information to have. I haven't scoured this entire thread, so it may have already come up, but I've followed along a few pages at a time and have only ever seen a few mentions of guaranteed GB.
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EDIT: Clicked quote instead of edit like an idiot. More Googling brought me to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iZXPu8RkGvsbr-5W4xMIfzgB7z-PZPtfc7kUcacIkWk/edit#gid=693476689 EDIT 2: However, it appears to be incomplete as it only includes nobushi as a hybrid. Still, though. Duder X fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 11:31
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Duder X posted:I just played against someone who ended up telling me that there are several uncounterable GB points against valk. After a blocked or dodged lunge attack, after a missed charge, and after a missed shield bash. He said it was because I had 'negative frames,' and that all classes had them as far as he knew. Google is of no use. Is there a list of points at which GB is uncounterable? That seems like crucial loving information to have. I haven't scoured this entire thread, so it may have already come up, but I've followed along a few pages at a time and have only ever seen a few mentions of guaranteed GB. Sounds right, most classes can be punished with a un techable gb on some wiffs. I believe everyone can get guaranteed GB on wiffed GB attempts too. Captain Beans fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Duder X posted:I just played against someone who ended up telling me that there are several uncounterable GB points against valk. After a blocked or dodged lunge attack, after a missed charge, and after a missed shield bash. He said it was because I had 'negative frames,' and that all classes had them as far as he knew. Google is of no use. Is there a list of points at which GB is uncounterable? That seems like crucial loving information to have. I haven't scoured this entire thread, so it may have already come up, but I've followed along a few pages at a time and have only ever seen a few mentions of guaranteed GB. If your side dash attack is blocked, then they get a guaranteed guard break. Shield bash depends on how far away you are from your opponent, and I'm not sure about the forward lunge. e;Forward lunge is also a free guard break. Be careful using those as valkyrie. dromer fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 17:09
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Evil Canadian posted:I finally finished up my Kensei tip/tricks thing. This is ~extremely~ good.
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Evil Canadian posted:I finally finished up my Kensei tip/tricks thing. I don't understand the repeatable cancel. I've watched it like 8 times now, but I still find the wording extremely confusing. It could be that I've just woken up. Are you literally just hitting heavy attack just like normal for another cancel? Fresh Shesh Besh fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Mar 9, 2017 17:27
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I'm no fighting game expert, but wouldn't removing teching entirely kill two birds with one stone? 1) Removes the need to balance based on certain characters having uncounterable breaks, and more important 2) makes the meta less defensive because the only way to stop GBs is attack. Maybe I'm biased cause lawman is my favourite char, and I find myself pretty impotent against anyone who can tech perfectly. Just removes 80% of my damage-dealing potential.
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That would just devolve into spamming gb.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:36
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They just need to make the window a little harder to hit consistently, or maybe make the timing slightly different each time or something. Thing is that would mess with lower skill players, so maybe they need like two separate rules sets for pros. Or maybe something weird like change the size of the window based on your reputation level, although that could be weird to get used to as you ranked up.
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Any map with immediate hazards would just become even more high noon showdown about who can GB first.
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Zaphod42 posted:They just need to make the window a little harder to hit consistently, or maybe make the timing slightly different each time or something. Thing is that would mess with lower skill players, so maybe they need like two separate rules sets for pros. Or maybe something weird like change the size of the window based on your reputation level, although that could be weird to get used to as you ranked up. All of these ideas are terrible. Giving some sort of indicator that a GB is unable to be teched would be nice, but making it random or inconsistent is a GREAT way to kill a fighting game. Why try to learn a technique when the timings are random? At that point just uninstall the game and have a best of 5 coin flip guessing game with your friends. People would still complain about P2P.
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The fact that it searches by language at all is such a massive gently caress you to people from the UK like me. I'd rather play against europeans than americans no matter what language they speak. They seem to have given "same language" the top loving priority for finding games since its the one thing that never opens up no matter how long you search for a game. I hope it's just some kind of UI bug or that it doesnt really do that because otherwise it's the dumbest matchmaking thing I've ever seen.
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Liu posted:The fact that it searches by language at all is such a massive gently caress you to people from the UK like me. I'd rather play against europeans than americans no matter what language they speak. They seem to have given "same language" the top loving priority for finding games since its the one thing that never opens up no matter how long you search for a game. I hope it's just some kind of UI bug or that it doesnt really do that because otherwise it's the dumbest matchmaking thing I've ever seen. How are people going to spam toxic poo poo in chat if they don't prioritize language. What are you thinking man? Get it together.
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I've been playing dominion today and literally 1/3, if not more of my games disconnect with an error message within a few minutes. Literally lol this game is DOA If they don't fix this poo poo ASAP
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I get maybe one or two disconnects every night out of like 20 or 25 games  Wonder why it's endemic to some players.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:I've been playing dominion today and literally 1/3, if not more of my games disconnect with an error message within a few minutes. Last night I wasn't very motivated to play because of the current state of things. I just wanted to complete the daily orders for the steel and then log off. One order was to simply complete 2 PvP elimination matches with a non-vanguard hero. Just 2 matches. It should be quick and easy, I don't even have to worry about winning. Should be done in about 10 or 15 minutes, right? WRONG. It took over an hour and 7 attempts to finally complete 2 matches.  My NAT has been green since the closed beta and nothing has changed on my end, yet somehow my matchmaking experience is getting progressively worse each day. This game is really fun, and I really want to play, but I'm starting to wish I could get a refund, lol. I have over 100 hours logged on Steam, so there's probably no way in hell, but I wonder what Steam's policy is for games that become literally unplayable due to bullshit like this when 70% of your games error out.
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Pearnicious posted:All of these ideas are terrible. I'm saying add a random delay, but still have the indicator when you need to time it. The timings would only be random for GB-counter only, it wouldn't effect your memorization of combo timing or any poo poo like that. Dunno what you mean but I think you completely misunderstood me. I'm not saying make GBs randomly un-counterable. I didn't remotely say that. Yes, that would be loving stupid. Slow down and read what I actually said.
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I have achieved Shugoki nirvana. Went 19:1 in Skirmish being a complete shitter and coming in from the sides with bear hugs while my team clustered around and beat them to death. Our team had not a single prestige and gear in the single digits, theirs had a prestige 3 and two 1s, everyone in double digit gear with the 3 in purple because matchmaking. Not a single bit of communication on our side, they just ended up orbiting me to keep the other team off me so I could keep doing cheap picks. At one point the prestige 3 Orochi caught me solo while I was running for the health buff, I waited for the invariable dodge strike, GBed into a homerun, and then bear hugged him as he was getting up. Guy logged immediately after. Almost made me wish there was chat on PS4 so I could taste that salt. Almost. 
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm saying add a random delay, but still have the indicator when you need to time it. The timings would only be random for GB-counter only, it wouldn't effect your memorization of combo timing or any poo poo like that. Dunno what you mean but I think you completely misunderstood me. No, I understood, but putting random elements in a skill-based game is just a terrible idea all around. Competitive skill-based games like For Honor reward players who put in the time to learn the nuances of the game. If you remove that and make it random so the timings are never consistent, you just ruined the game. It's not skill-based anymore, it's a button-mash RNG fuckfest. I would be so insanely pissed off if the counter GB timing was random every loving time, it would be impossible to counter unless you just got lucky. That's probably the worst idea I've ever heard of for a fighting game. Can you imagine how infuriating it would be to counter GB when the GB comes out at random speeds? Especially when landing a GB is such a big deal right now. A single GB can win or lose you the game, and if counter timing is random...like I said, you might as well just play a coin-flip or dice-rolling simulator. Personal Lucubrant fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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Sorry man, I understand your sentiment (I'm a Lawbro too), but I have to agree with Pearnicious. You can't add a wildcard element to a skill game like this, that's just a huge step back. There are a lot of ways to go about solving the imbalances in this game without screwing with the core mechanics like that.
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Wont a lot of the guard break teching issues be fixed when they fix the debuff stat affecting it? The problem right now is what should be untechable gb can be teched due to that bug, which reduces strategy and skill.
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Fresh Shesh Besh posted:I don't understand the repeatable cancel. I've watched it like 8 times now, but I still find the wording extremely confusing. It could be that I've just woken up. Are you literally just hitting heavy attack just like normal for another cancel? I got all dyslexic and worded it backwards. You do unblockable-> heavy side cancel -> immediately hit up heavy again -> side heavy again -> up heavy again etc. You gotta be lightning fast to get this any kind of reliable.
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Evil Canadian posted:I got all dyslexic and worded it backwards. You do unblockable-> heavy side cancel -> immediately hit up heavy again -> side heavy again -> up heavy again etc. You gotta be lightning fast to get this any kind of reliable. seems like this is being patched tomorrow so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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