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LORD OF BOOTY posted:The "director's cut" on DVD is R. It's not a huge difference, but the action scenes have actual squibs in them and flow a decent bit better in it, plus there's some added cursing and a couple raunchier Clown jokes.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What's worse - when they do this, or when a there's a scene in a classroom in the film that has a professor or instructor spell out one of the film's major themes? The scene of this in Dark City owns though.
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Mar 9, 2017 03:38
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themrguy posted:Back on the subject of the movie, thinking about it, the first scene where Logan meets the head of security is pretty great. It shows him far wolverine has fallen that this guy who knows all about him feels comfortable getting close to him and threatening him. And it also shows how poo poo his legacy is that a guy like that considers himself a fan. Not Vegas, Oklahoma City! Still very far from the border, though.
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PassTheRemote posted:The problem is, studio execs are stupid. James Gunn even quoted that they a lot of times they miss why movies do so well. I know this. I really do know. The Matrix should have redefined studios relationships with directors and refreshed their willingness to take a chance on an original property. Instead, they just mashed bullet time into everything for at least five years. I can't remember any faux bullet time or ill placed wire work after 2004, but I'm probably wrong. BravestOfTheLamps posted:How strikingly inambitious everything in the movie is, and the structure and the pacing of the story. Aside from the few action scenes, there was almost nothing that couldn't be replicated on television. [/url] Ultimately, your 'this is like TV' thing seems about as solid and useful a criticism as 'it's like a video game' SimonCat posted:Dolph Lundgren Punisher came out in '89 and was a hard R.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:What's worse - when they do this, or when a there's a scene in a classroom in the film that has a professor or instructor spell out one of the film's major themes? I'd say when people still miss the themes anyway.
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Mar 9, 2017 11:01
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Bit of a vanity move that the only thing that can kill Wolverine is... another Wolverine. Anyone could have killed Logan by that point. Only someone with his healing factor could have done it in close combat, is all.
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Mar 9, 2017 11:16
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The scene I want still didn't quite happen. I want to powered up healers to just go to loving town on each other. Essentially, the finale of ravenous, but with more steroids. We got glimpses of it in this film, but not enough.
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Snowman_McK posted:I know this. I really do know. The Matrix should have redefined studios relationships with directors and refreshed their willingness to take a chance on an original property. Instead, they just mashed bullet time into everything for at least five years. I can't remember any faux bullet time or ill placed wire work after 2004, but I'm probably wrong. You don't see bullet time anymore, but you still see that technique from the second Matrix where action scenes go into slo-mo to emphasize cool poo poo happening. That's all over the place.
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Snowman_McK posted:The scene I want still didn't quite happen. I want to powered up healers to just go to loving town on each other. Essentially, the finale of ravenous, but with more steroids. We got glimpses of it in this film, but not enough. They did that in X2, but it wasn't R-rated so you didn't really have people like tearing steak-sized chunks out of each other and growing them back or anything gnarly like that.
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PostNouveau posted:You don't see bullet time anymore, but you still see that technique from the second Matrix where action scenes go into slo-mo to emphasize cool poo poo happening. That's all over the place. In its current form, I think that's more aping 300, with it's quite particular use of Speed ramping, but I guess the movement of the camera mirroring the movement of time is a matrix thing, so you're right. McSpanky posted:They did that in X2, but it wasn't R-rated so you didn't really have people like tearing steak-sized chunks out of each other and growing them back or anything gnarly like that. That scene was so loving good. The initial charge when the camera flies in then seems to recoil from the impact is loving dope.
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Mar 9, 2017 11:34
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Snowman_McK posted:That scene was so loving good. The initial charge when the camera flies in then seems to recoil from the impact is loving dope. I went back and watched it again after Logan and it is loving jarring how incredibly clean and bloodless that whole sequence is in spite of what's happening throughout it
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Buzkashi posted:I went back and watched it again after Logan and it is loving jarring how incredibly clean and bloodless that whole sequence is in spite of what's happening throughout it Logan getting away with what he does with a somewhat family friendly veneer is sooooo Wolverine in some ways, it's funny. Early Wolverine I mean, because after the 70's I don't think they gave a poo poo, but still.
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Snowman_McK posted:The scene I want still didn't quite happen. I want to powered up healers to just go to loving town on each other. Essentially, the finale of ravenous, but with more steroids. We got glimpses of it in this film, but not enough. Laura went hogwild at least. 
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Mar 9, 2017 13:31
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Just on that, it's becoming an annoying thing in comic book movies, which tend to feature unarmed good guys facing off against bad guys with guns, that the henchmen run towards the hero, despite having guns. I mean, it's not like it would have done much against Laura anyway (that kid is going places, I hope) but it would have been good if she was moving from enemy to enemy, rather than them all running into the same two by two metre area.
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Mar 9, 2017 13:45
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Laura's character stopped being interesting the moment she started speaking.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Laura's character stopped being interesting the moment she started speaking. Whaaaat? Hugh Jackman screaming 'Shut the gently caress Up" to a little girl is one of the best parts of the movie.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Laura's character stopped being interesting the moment she started speaking. I agree, women and people of color are best kept in non speaking roles.
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Just...everybody hold still and he'll probably leave.
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It's true though, her being a feral child was more interesting than her being just unwilling to speak.
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It's a little more upbeat if she isn't de facto mentally handicapped, though.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's true though, her being a feral child was more interesting than her being just unwilling to speak. I feel bad for all you monolingual güeros who couldn't understand what she was ranting about, because her dropping superspeed Spanish at Logan about how all he does is yell at her and be mean and not listen (in response to why she never said anything) is an extremely funny kid thing to do.
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gently caress fanservice gently caress michael bay style effects gently caress films that treat audiences like idiots gently caress continuity and all the bullshit that gets shoehorned in. This film is subtle yet complex, fantastic on a technical level, well acted, tells a compelling story that makes you care about the leads, and is well scripted. This film is art, not superhero pornography for man babies who furiously jerk off every time something explodes or they see related lore they recognize from outside of the story. The nerd elements are there, but not in alienating fashion. It drops hints for you piece together about the lore without having to jam it all down your throat. It treats you like an intelligent adult who is capable of understanding the myraid of ways that film, as a medium, can convey meaning.
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got any sevens posted:The scene of this in Dark City owns though. It does, and many of my favorite movies like The Gambler, Enemy and Halloween do it too.
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Mar 9, 2017 20:30
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Eh, if she didn't start talking midway through the film, she would've spoken in the last scene as pathos. FilthyImp posted:I feel bad for all you monolingual güeros who couldn't understand what she was ranting about, because her dropping superspeed Spanish at Logan about how all he does is yell at her and be mean and not listen (in response to why she never said anything) is an extremely funny kid thing to do. There's this thing movies do when someone is speaking a language that the bulk of the audience doesn't understand, where they put text at the bottom in the language the audience does understand. Keep Logan in the dark, but we'd know, and that would've been funny.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It does, and many of my favorite movies like The Gambler, Enemy and Halloween do it too. Are we talking about the Mark Wahlberg The Gambler as one of your favorite movies? I'd completely dismissed it.
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MisterBibs posted:There's this thing movies do when someone is speaking a language that the bulk of the audience doesn't understand, where they put text at the bottom in the language the audience does understand. Keep Logan in the dark, but we'd know, and that would've been funny. You got the gist of what she was yelling, so no subtitles was perfectly fine. The only time not having subtitles is 100% unforgivable is when actual foreign text is being shown. Assuming we aren't looking at a purely gibberish, made up thing that just looks like text.
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Subtitles probably would've killed the joke in this case. There are other movies where the content of what they're saying in another language is what's funny, but in this case the humor comes from the fact that she's speaking another language and is angry.
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Gyges posted:You got the gist of what she was yelling, so no subtitles was perfectly fine. Not really, though? It was kinda funny in a "wow she's speaking really fast in a language me and the other person don't understand" way, but it's a lot funnier that I know what she's saying.
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MisterBibs posted:Not really, though? It was kinda funny in a "wow she's speaking really fast in a language me and the other person don't understand" way, but it's a lot funnier that I know what she's saying. The droid abduction scene in Star Wars is a lot funnier when you know what the Jawas are saying, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the movie will be better for dumbing it down for the audience.
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ruddiger posted:The droid abduction scene in Star Wars is a lot funnier when you know what the Jawas are saying, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the movie will be better for dumbing it down for the audience. I would say subtitles would actually make it much worse. What she says is irrelevant and subs would just be distracting as people would focus on reading pointless words quickly vs. paying attention to Hugh Jackman's face.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Are we talking about the Mark Wahlberg The Gambler as one of your favorite movies? I'd completely dismissed it. Nah, the James Caan movie it's based on.
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ruddiger posted:The droid abduction scene in Star Wars is a lot funnier when you know what the Jawas are saying, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the movie will be better for dumbing it down for the audience. Eh, I compartmentalize when it comes to made up languages versus actual ones. It wouldn't mean poo poo to me what a Jawa is saying, because it's inherently gibberish and the actual point of it is being conveyed in a language I understand. Little girl losing her poo poo to someone who doesn't know what she's saying is funny. Little girl losing her poo poo to someone who doesn't know what she's saying, but you know precisely what she's saying, is funnier. (only vaguely related, why hasn't the phrase "dumbing down" as a negative gone the way of saying "M$"?)
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The Jawas are speaking an actual human language though. It's Zulu. E: and their conversations have to do with the identity of personhood, as they're abducting runaway slaves. It very much can add context to the scene. There's an interview with Trevor Noah where he talks about watching that scene when he was younger and understanding what their conversation was about. Now, do you need that explicitly stated for the scene to work? No, so why should it be any different for Logan? ruddiger fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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ruddiger posted:Now, do you need that explicitly stated for the scene to work? No, so why should it be any different for Logan? Because it'd be funnier to know what she's saying. Bonus amusement for her angrily pouring her heart out, and because Logan doesn't know the language, his only response is anger that she only just now decided to talk, and nothing about the legitimate grievance she has. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Whoa look at this, a movie debate with cogent arguments. I gotta go back and read some dickeye hot takes to make sure I'm in the right place.
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Adding fart noises and clown horns would make it funny too, wouldn't mean it's not stupid. How about this, learn a loving second language instead of being willfully ignorant to other's dialects and you can be in on the inside joke with the rest of us. Bonus points for actually culturally stimulating your own lifestyle as well, how about that? You do realize how many people speak Spanish in this country, yes? And how some (most, depending on who you ask) white Americans react when they don't understand what's being spoken? ruddiger fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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MisterBibs posted:Because it'd be funnier to know what she's saying. Bonus amusement for her angrily pouring her heart out, and because Logan doesn't know the language, his only response is anger that she only just now decided to talk, and nothing about the legitimate grievance she has. The language barrier, I feel, is better if it isn't translated. If you don't speak Spanish/Esperanto you are inherently approaching the scene from Logan's point of view. However if you do, you are almost by default switched over to Laura's point of view. Since this is Logan's movie, and I'm a dumbfuck monolinguist, it seems appropriate that as an audience member I'm as surprised and confused as Logan is in the scene.
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No subs means your confusion mirrors Logan's and your brain puts together 'oh she grew up in Mexico, of loving course' at the same time he does, which you can watch on his face. Subs would draw the eye down to the bottom of the screen so you miss his reaction and don't make the joke any better, IMO. Subs can be jarring if you don't expect them and the impact of that moment (even without knowing what she's saying) is probably the funniest part of the movie, so I wouldn't want to see the timing hosed because of a mental stutter when you switch to reading mode for a moment.
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I've been mulling over it since seeing the movie last movie, and I think this might be my favorite superhero movie. I'd have to see it again to be absolutely certain, but everything about this movie just plain appeals to me. Also, RE: the subtitle discussion. I recently found out that in Saving Private Ryan, when the two soldiers are surrendering at the end of the D-Day scene, and the Americans shoot them, what they're saying is "Don't shoot, I'm Czech, I surrender" or something along those lines. Maybe subtitles would have made it clearer what was happening to the audience. But, I feel like finding out years after seeing that movie, that I had no idea they weren't even German soldiers like the Americans who shot them makes the scene even better in hindsight. I don't understand Spanish, so I do feel like being in the dark like Logan is adds to the scene a bit. Finding out exactly what she was saying does add a bit more to her character I think.
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dont like superhero movies, saw this on a whim today, thought it was really amazing. whoever the director is knew how to pull at the heartstrings really well, i was pretty invested. hugh jackman did a great job as did the girl
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