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grack posted:New York's D is a loving garbage fire so Brendan Smith being an improvement isn't much of a surprise. McD and Skjei own bones and I like Smith but yeah, it's not fun with the wonder twins being idiots and Klein being awful this year.
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Levitate posted:I'm pretty sure Pens fans still really have no idea how lucky they are to have Crosby and Malkin and Letang all on teh same team. I mean, the gods have decided to make things fair and usually prevent them all from being healthy at the same time, but holy lol that they basically have two generational talent centers and that's after having two other of the best players to ever play the game Then they went out and got Phil Goddamn Kessel because why not. They then regressed to the mean, got that coach fired, and won the god drat Cup all in the span of a year. I was fully expecting them to somehow pick up Shattenkirk and/or add a center in Duchene who would've had the potential to put up 70 points on the third line to add to the pile of riches and still wind up under the Cap somehow.
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Beat writers are starting to pen thoughts about Blashill being fired. All glory to the blood god. Also, Fire Holland.
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grack posted:New York's D is a loving garbage fire so Brendan Smith being an improvement isn't much of a surprise. the Rangers D is fine right up to the point where they actually have to play defense in their own zone and then it all goes to poo poo So...yeah But I haven't seen Smith do anything egregious at least lately and like I said he is actually good at some aspects of defense so that's nice Matt Zerella posted:McD and Skjei own bones and I like Smith but yeah, it's not fun with the wonder twins being idiots and Klein being awful this year. McD, Smith, Skjei, and Holden would be 4/6ths of a decent defense then throw in a Shattenkirk signing and some random guy on the third pairing and it magically looks pretty good McD-Shattenkirk Skjei-Smith someguy-Holden (or the other way around) I'd take it Too bad about Staal and Girardi and Klein Levitate fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Mar 9, 2017 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:I was fully expecting them to somehow pick up Shattenkirk and/or add a center in Duchene who would've had the potential to put up 70 points on the third line to add to the pile of riches and still wind up under the Cap somehow. This scenario would have been very rude.
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i am the bird posted:Beat writers are starting to pen thoughts about Blashill being fired. All glory to the blood god. Firing Blashill isn't gonna do poo poo if Holland is still GM of that team
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DJExile posted:Firing Blashill isn't gonna do poo poo if Holland is still GM of that team yup. holland should be the first sacrificed, not blashill.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:How much booze do you have to drink for a loving rugby player who lives in Ireland to go "That's a bit excessive, guys"? Probably a typo but hurling is very different from rugby. Watch some highlights from an All Ireland Final, it's an amazing, unusual and quite often violent game. It's awesome. I am actually astonished he thinks the Canucks have a drinking problem (much like most of their fans now have after the past couple seasons) because a) hurling players are essentially unpaid and they're complete lunatics so I figured being on the piss 24/7 was part of the training regime, and b) drinking until you black out in a ditch and get run over by a tractor is a practically traditional Irish pastime.
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I can't wait until Blashill catches on somewhere else and is actually a decent coach when he doesn't have that purse-skinned dickhole peering over his shoulder and all of his dogshit contracts sitting in his lap
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shyduck posted:How the gently caress is it only 4?! I take it you're new to the NHL and Department of Player "Safety".
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They left off a zero, right? shyduck posted:How the gently caress is it only 4?! NHL DOPS doesn't actually care about players or safety.
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They could have given him a billion games and it'd have had the same effect. None. It'll have no effect cause it's not like he was going to be playing anyways
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.Spec posted:They could have given him a billion games and it'd have had the same effect. edit: Just to clarify, the hit certainly wasn't the most egregious thing I've seen, but the context is troubling. shyduck fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Y'all crazy. Blashill sucks and is clearly responsible for failures of player development. Basically every single player has regressed under his watch. That can be a problem of overall roster makeup but it's also a problem of coaching. Fire 'em both.
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I know you guys want to think well of them, especially "Won't someone think of the children?!" Lemieux but the Penguins management is just as garbage as anyone else's and would have still used Sestito in the future were he not suspended.
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aejix posted:Probably a typo but hurling is very different from rugby. Watch some highlights from an All Ireland Final, it's an amazing, unusual and quite often violent game. It's awesome. Obviously the "reset" he's talking about is totally nuts but the lunchtime comment struck me as kind of weird, I don't think drinking a beer 30 hours before playing a game is something that should stand out to someone.
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It really is one of the nastier things about this sport. Sure Maatta and Schultz got hurt in the last game against the Jets on some outright dirty maneuvers, but that's not free reign to go head-hunting - especially not against Enstrom who isn't really the sort of guy doing the lovely plays. Want to get revenge? Clown them on the scoreboard (like they did) and get your slashes in if you really feel the need. At the very least, if you have to makes runs at folks, take them at the guys who did the dirty poo poo last game. (Lowry)
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He turned into the hit and the Jets reaped what they sowed. Don't care what happens to an AHL goon. There's no reason to take the high road. Yall thought it was funny as hell when the Islanders called up the goon squad to start poo poo with the Penguins
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The only way to settle this issue is to throw Malkin into a volcano. Both teams will have gotten their blood, and Pele the fire goddess will be satiated for another generation.
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shyduck posted:Flyers are starting Neuvirth tonight 2 year contract extension.
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but seriously they probably should have suspended malkin for the last game and, i dunno, at least called some penalties on buff and lowry if not handed out supplemental discipline for them too. this poo poo happened because the league officials hosed up and malkin made a lovely hit in retaliation for lovely unpenalized winnipeg hits, then because malkin got off scott free everybody knew winnipeg would want to get back at him so sestito gets called up for "protection" and then he went killed a guy who didn't even do anything but wear a jets sweater. now who loving knows what the next game between the pens and jets holds because there's sure to be some hard feelings from this now too
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Suspicious posted:Emelin back in the lineup. good things can't last forever
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Jordan7hm posted:Remove icing for attempted passes. Leave it for clears. Yes because what we need more of are challengeable judgement calls Thufir posted:Also: Stop loving around taking forever lining up faceoffs and kicking guys out and redropping the puck. Nobody in the crowd gives a poo poo if you're absolutely fair and faceoffs don't matter that much anyway. So many wrong things If you didn't have strict face offs guys would cheat like hell and they'd be a disaster And lol at face offs not mattering that much Thufir posted:Every goal is worth 6 and then they get a chance at shooting through a little slot from center ice for the 7th point. You get two points if the goalie freezes it and you check him hard enough to take the nets off the pegs Every hockey interview ever
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Kalenn Istarion posted:Yes because what we need more of are challengeable judgement calls Discretionary icing already exists and icing isn't challengable.
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Top faceoff guys in the league are like 55%. It's nearly dumb luck.
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Aphrodite posted:Top faceoff guys in the league are like 55%. It's nearly dumb luck. Yeah IIRC someone figured the best guys add like 5-6 expected goals a season.
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Thufir posted:Yeah IIRC someone figured the best guys add like 5-6 expected goals a season. I mean if you are strictly speaking goals, sure. But what about the defensive aspect of a good face off guy on the PK or a clean face off win starting the cycle in the offensive zone keeping the opposing team hemmed in their own zone. I mean the crux of your previous statement boils down to "it doesn't matter who has possession of the puck."
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It doesn't look like you can search by faceoff % on hockey reference but I think taking faceoffs is something you know how to do or you don't, and if you don't then your % is like 30-40% and if you do then you're in that real tight band of like 48-52% where it doesn't matter and there's not a lot of players that play center and suck at faceoffs and aren't super young
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The game is called very differently than what's in the rule book. A lot of the stuff people would like to see is already in there, but if the refs don't enforce it then... Faceoff specialists are overrated because people are really bad at understanding odds/law of large numbers and don't understand the mental bias inherent in anecdotes. Like, for some reason people actually believe stuff like playing 55% Brian Boyle in over 50% Nazem Kadri will somehow guarantee wins when the difference is almost literally zero over the course of a game. People seriously inflate the difference between good and bad players in the dot, there is a baseline of competence in the NHL and face offs occur in such insignificant quantity on a per-game basis to make the events almost random.
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Best tool in a ref toolbox is being a passive aggressive dick and kicking the face off dude out. It's real good as a low stakes punitive measure. Also, throwing a good face off dude against a fuckin plugger will more then 50% of the time will result in the plugger losing the draw and also be switched positions with the center.
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If you have some killer faceoff move you pull out half a dozen times a game on the PK or when you are down one in the offensive zone then that skews the usefulness of your FO% beyond just the percentage. I agree that it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but I hope my boy wonder GM uses his brains to include FO% in his player evaluations intelligently
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Mike Stone has a goal and a helper tonight against the Habs, and that gives him 1-3-4 since the trade for him (this is his 8th game). He had 8 points in 45 games in Arizona. Pulling Wideman has obviously helped the Flames, but I think the fact that this kid appears to actively be playing well matters, too. Maybe he just needed a change of scenery, he sounds happy in this article https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/blueliners-settled-in-with-flames/c-287513276
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He looked really bad at the start of the year which was understandable because he was coming off a ACL tear and when he started to look better he was getting less ice time because we were working deangelo and chychrun in but he was also thrown into more of a defensive role because he was the veteran on his pairing. Glad to see he's working out though
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Koopa Kid posted:Faceoff specialists are overrated because people are really bad at understanding odds/law of large numbers and don't understand the mental bias inherent in anecdotes. There's a bit more to it than just numbers. The archetypal "veteran center" gains the benefit of a little bit of cheating on faceoffs on things like not putting their stick down all the way, and how they tie guys up off the draw. There are a few little things they do which give them that edge, and they can sometimes leverage it a bit more in key situations. Rangers analysts have covered them pretty in-depth at times, and Dominic Moore explained some video coaching on The AV Squad (MSG's show about the coach.) In the Kings-Rangers final, there was some ice-level audio with Brian Boyle calling the linesmen out on not making the visiting Richards and Stoll put their sticks down before faceoffs. They didn't do it every time, but once the official started letting it go, those two guys really took advantage of it. Funny to see Boyle on the other side of that "veteran center" thing a few years later. In the Lightning-Rangers series the next year, Dominic Moore would talk to the officials about the set plays the Lightning were using. There's a funny ice-level audio bit of Moore telling the linesman about how the opposing center would tie him up, then one of the supporting wingers would kick his leg out, then the linesman replying "do you think they practice that?" with Moore assuring him they did. After one more time, the officials had a chat with the Lightning bench during the TV timeout (which was highlighted on a replay) and they stopped running that set play for the rest of that game. Aside from that, you'll see some veterans just work the official a little bit on things like false starts, going into the circle really slowly or quickly, how far they need to put their stick down as a good faith effort. It's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy because I think once a guy gets that "good ol' veteran faceoff guy" reputation it does buy him some slack from the official. I understand the idea that "faceoff wins" purely as a stat isn't perfectly indicative of gaining possession, though. I think Tyler Dellow had done some work on that along with zone entries shortly before the Oilers bought his silence? If anyone has any links/references related to this stuff, either fancystats or video, I'd love to see them since I find this little aspect of the game fascinating.
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