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"Labor is fully commodified" doesn't make any sense. Is this guy a Marxist? Marx didn't believe labor was commodified, he believed labor-power was commodified.
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Labor isn't fully commodified, but it could be. As slavery.
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Thug Lessons posted:"Labor is fully commodified" doesn't make any sense. Is this guy a Marxist? Marx didn't believe labor was commodified, he believed labor-power was commodified. he's the guy who betrayed greece
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Prav posted:he's the guy who betrayed greece Oh, who cares what that rear end in a top hat says.
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Prav posted:he's the guy who betrayed greece How so?
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Syriza had a dumb as hell strategy which could only have worked by continuing to rally the working class together after their election and either force change in the EUs attitudes towards Greece through using that power against Greek and international ruling classes or convince the working class that it was necessary to leave the Euro (and therefore probably the EU). They did neither so got nowhere in negotiations, got another lovely bail out which solved nothing and lost all their credibility. Blaming him directly is not fair though.
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hm so you're saying that without the support of the proletariat they were doomed to fail
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namesake posted:Syriza had a dumb as hell strategy which could only have worked by continuing to rally the working class together after their election and either force change in the EUs attitudes towards Greece through using that power against Greek and international ruling classes or convince the working class that it was necessary to leave the Euro (and therefore probably the EU). They did neither so got nowhere in negotiations, got another lovely bail out which solved nothing and lost all their credibility. Especially seeing as he was never a member of Syriza and resigned because the party didn't want to pursue those strategies.
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namesake posted:Syriza had a dumb as hell strategy which could only have worked by continuing to rally the working class together after their election and either force change in the EUs attitudes towards Greece through using that power against Greek and international ruling classes or convince the working class that it was necessary to leave the Euro (and therefore probably the EU). They did neither so got nowhere in negotiations, got another lovely bail out which solved nothing and lost all their credibility. More or less. Syriza's negotiating strategy crumbled as soon as Schauble and his band of goblins called Tsipras' Grexit bluff. It was patently obvious by the time of the sham referendum that Tsipras had never anticipated actually having to leave the EU and had completely focused his strategy around renegotiating the Greek debt; failing that, he limply conceded and has lost just about every ounce of credibility. It's hard to tell how much blame Varoufakis should shoulder. He's on the record back when he was still working with Syriza that - and I'm paraphrasing - he'd rather Greece continue to eat a reasonable amount of poo poo, rather than triggering Grexit, destabilizing the EU, and having to eat an enormous tidal wave of poo poo all at once. My problem with his stance then was that it had become clear that the foreign lenders would absolutely not budge on the issue of a large debt reduction, and that there was no hope of Greece as it remained in the EU of ever producing enough of a surplus to escape its debt. All that the can kicking has accomplished is ensuring that, when Greece finally does Grexit, it's going to be worse than if they had simply triggered it then.
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In conclusion, debt is bad
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ThaumPenguin posted:In conclusion, Debt is good. It's giving up your currency to an unaccountable foreign bureaucracy that really fucks you.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Debt is good. It's giving up your currency to an unaccountable foreign bureaucracy that really fucks you. debt is a spook 
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one of the best things about Chapo is the wave of (at least) interesting left wing podcasts that are following in its wake. I've been listening to Discourse Collective, which is hosted by some of the Ancom twitter boyz and it's pretty dang good. These guys are libertarian socialists so if you're a Leninist or and other kind of statist then prepare to get triggered, but they're at least unapologetic Marxists.
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All this podcast discussion has reminded me how badly broken Apples podcast interface has become
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:one of the best things about Chapo is the wave of (at least) interesting left wing podcasts that are following in its wake. I've been listening to Discourse Collective, which is hosted by some of the Ancom twitter boyz and it's pretty dang good. These guys are libertarian socialists so if you're a Leninist or and other kind of statist then prepare to get triggered, but they're at least unapologetic Marxists. this sounds right up my alley but are there any communalist podcasts with women in them
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:this sounds right up my alley but are there any communalist podcasts with women in them Office of Policy Coordination is still really small and pretty rough but I enjoy it. Episode 7 with Jeff Sharlet is good, as is Episode 8 with Taryn Fivek.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:this sounds right up my alley but are there any communalist podcasts with women in them I dunno about communalism, but Katie Halper is openly a communist and hosts her own show. Roqayyah Chamsedine also hosts Delete Your Account and that's pretty good. They both have male co-hosts, but really they're just second fiddles.
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GalacticAcid posted:Office of Policy Coordination is still really small and pretty rough but I enjoy it. Episode 7 with Jeff Sharlet is good, as is Episode 8 with Taryn Fivek. Lol I know all those people but had no idea they had a podcast
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I dunno about communalism, but Katie Halper is openly a communist and hosts her own show. Roqayyah Chamsedine also hosts Delete Your Account and that's pretty good. They both have male co-hosts, but really they're just second fiddles. Roqayyah is on hiatus/sabbatical from DYA. 
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The greatest psyop the CIA ever pulled was convincing tankies that advocating for socialism needs to involve the defense of Stalin.
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*extremely CIA voice* The greatest psyop the CIA ever pulled was convincing tankies that advocating for socialism needs to involve the defense of Stalin.
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When I was in Greece we went out on a boat tour with my Greek uncle's friends. They pointed to a big cliff that sort of looks like 3 dudes' heads and told us that people used to say those were the petrified kings of Greece. My uncle says "Oh yes, there is Yanis Varoufakis, on quiet nights you can hear him lying." Thats my Varoufakis anecdote. Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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I feel like Varoufakis was on HardTalk or something not too long ago; it didn't sound like the interview went especially well for him at some points so I imagine it might have been hardtalk
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poo poo. I was overthinking it. Thanks all.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The greatest psyop the CIA ever pulled was convincing tankies that advocating for socialism needs to involve the defense of Stalin. Socialism rules but all socialist societies have been terrible deviations from my ultimate theory social organization, which lives in Canada and is completely real.
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change the ypg one from assad to turkey
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Darkman Fanpage posted:change the ypg one from assad to turkey Then you can just change it to "loving everyone involved in Syria" Dreddout fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Fake news, no leftwing dating site has three members.
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namesake posted:Fake news, no leftwing dating site has three members. You still haven't replied to my pm you loving trot
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Dreddout posted:You still haven't replied to my pm you loving trot 'I'd like to seize your means of reproduction.' Isn't a good pick up line. Try harder! Unless that isn't a joke and you mean SA forums PMs: I don't have them.
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and i would have built full communism too if it werent for you meddling [INSERT SCAPEGOAT HERE]
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Fallen Hamprince posted:and i would have built full communism too if it werent for you meddling [INSERT SCAPEGOAT HERE] Cuck
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Sankara is one of the greatest Marxist leaders ever, and it's an outrage that most people don't know about him.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Sankara is one of the greatest Marxist leaders ever, and it's an outrage that most people don't know about him. he was a tremendous failure lol, got couped 3 years in before he could finish purging burina faso of that terrible enemy of the people: teacher's unions
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