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a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012
I wrote some terrible pseudocode at the second stage of a dev interview. Was absolutely 100% sure I was going to fail because I screwed up one of the requirements of the brief. This was one of those things I realised after the fact.

Somehow I still got through to final interview? So either they have money to burn talking to me, they were impressed by my CV, or they are just doing it to laugh at my stupid code in my stupid face.

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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Ocrassus posted:

or they are just doing it to laugh at my stupid code in my stupid face.

nobody does this, that's just a waste of time. they would laugh at you behind your back and have the recruiter break it to you gently.

although I've been in interviews where the candidate was so bad that we had the recruiter come in early and escort them out.

coffeetable
Feb 5, 2006

TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

YES I DO TALK TO PLANTS ACTUALLY

the actual reason is because they're desperate.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

cis autodrag posted:

there is only one dev title here: "R&D". the only way to "move up" is to become a manager. instead some kind of ranking system determines your raises. it feels like bullshit to me.

work is bullshit

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Luigi Thirty posted:

good news: this local company with an office 10 minutes from my house wants to fill 12 positions of all experience levels with C# people and Angular people to build a new ecommerce platform and they pay $60k which is good for this area

bad news: it's a weight loss MLM operation

I'm morally conflicted here

don't work for an MLM company it's loving crazy; also find a remote job and immediately start making more money than that

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012

The Management posted:

nobody does this, that's just a waste of time. they would laugh at you behind your back and have the recruiter break it to you gently.

although I've been in interviews where the candidate was so bad that we had the recruiter come in early and escort them out.

I applied directly, so no recruiter involved.

coffeetable posted:

the actual reason is because they're desperate.

it's one of the largest firms in an industry where I can't imagine them having a shortage of talent, particularly at my just above graduate tier level, in a city with a world top 10 CS university.

I probably should try getting a CS degree or a masters or something. I don't even have a stem degree.

a neurotic ai fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 10, 2017

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

rt4 posted:

don't work for an MLM company it's loving crazy

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

BONGHITZ posted:

work is bullshit

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
if i was super rich i would rock and roll lol day and party every night

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

quote:

The onsite entails a full loop of interviews with Engineers from our XYZ team. ...

You will also be asked to do a presentation in front of the teams. The prompt is below. This gives you the opportunity to pick a technical topic of your choice. The presentation will be 10-15 minutes long. It can be related to the role(s) you’re applying for, something you’ve worked on in the past, or something you’re currently working on professionally or as a hobby. Bottom line, the topic should be something that exhibits the strengths you’d be bringing to the team. You’ll win the room over if the engineers walk away having learned something new (doesn’t hurt to bring code samples either).

lol wtf.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
Do the interview but teach them garbage like node.js

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

one of my friends who works in finance told me that it's normal to be asked to tell a joke in front of the team

but that's more of a first day kinda thing as an icebreaker not as part of the evaluation process

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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what if you just open your fly and give them "the brain"

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Twerk from Home posted:

what if you just open your fly and give them "the brain"

uber makes you a vp immediately

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
That's a pretty good adult test. If they can't come up w/ an office appropriate joke there's probably something wrong w/ them.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Shaggar posted:

That's a pretty good adult test. If they can't come up w/ an office appropriate joke there's probably something wrong w/ them.

judgement of an office appropriate joke or humorous anecdote and also evaluation for speaking before a small group of strangers

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


"a talent agent is sitting in his office..."

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
this seems like some kind of sunk cost fallacy test because of all the poo poo I've already done to get here.

Shaggar posted:

Do the interview but teach them garbage like node.js

this is a good idea. I bet I could do better than node, though. I could teach them to write a forum in elixir

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Ocrassus posted:

I applied directly, so no recruiter involved.


it's one of the largest firms in an industry where I can't imagine them having a shortage of talent, particularly at my just above graduate tier level, in a city with a world top 10 CS university.

I probably should try getting a CS degree or a masters or something. I don't even have a stem degree.

keep short selling yourself it'll really come in handy when it comes time to negotiate salary

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

Shaggar posted:

That's a pretty good adult test. If they can't come up w/ an office appropriate joke there's probably something wrong w/ them.

Just say "JavaScript". If everybody bursts out laughing you know it's a fine place to work.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

The Management posted:

this seems like some kind of sunk cost fallacy test because of all the poo poo I've already done to get here.


this is a good idea. I bet I could do better than node, though. I could teach them to write a forum in elixir

read them one of my mumps posts

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

rt4 posted:

don't work for an MLM company it's loving crazy; also find a remote job and immediately start making more money than that

all work is crazy

also I could do that too but I don't want to literally live in my mom's basement more than I do already

jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

Luigi Thirty posted:

all work is crazy

look i'm as nihilistic as any computerman but bullshit like MLM is a special kind of soul crushing.

it's also going to stink up your resume and do you really want to have to dance around being part of a literal pyramid scheme next time you're interviewing?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

ugh gently caress

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


you could always play dumb if it comes up as a blemish on your resume and ironically that could actually boost your odds a bit

'this guy is totally morally blind! he's perfect!!'

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
I wonder why people discriminate against uber on the old cv but not against say, goldman sachs

Hmm.

minivanmegafun
Jul 27, 2004

totally dumb question: should i even bother getting my bachelors? I have some dumb 2year AAS in Network Security which was mostly noise about ad in windows server 2003 which has literally zero to do with my six-figure SRE gig I have now

i have enough credits to have a junior standing at u-Wisconsin when I dropped out to move back to chicago

i think at this point it's probably personal achievement more than anything

I'll probably go to u-illinois Chicago if I do go back

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Sapozhnik posted:

I wonder why people discriminate against uber on the old cv but not against say, goldman sachs

Hmm.

Goldman Sachs actually makes money & is successful and also goldmanBannerAtPrideParade.jpg

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

minivanmegafun posted:

totally dumb question: should i even bother getting my bachelors? I have some dumb 2year AAS in Network Security which was mostly noise about ad in windows server 2003 which has literally zero to do with my six-figure SRE gig I have now

i have enough credits to have a junior standing at u-Wisconsin when I dropped out to move back to chicago

i think at this point it's probably personal achievement more than anything

I'll probably go to u-illinois Chicago if I do go back

will work pay for it

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

I think I'll interview just for the practice and see if they blow me away on compensation somehow

it's a 6 month contract to hire thing anyway and I only applied since it was local

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

We do this sometimes, mostly just for PhDs though where they have to give a seminar on their research, and for some other types of jobs as well where someone might be expected to present as part of their job duties.

minivanmegafun
Jul 27, 2004

hobbesmaster posted:

will work pay for it

no. if they did I'd do it just because free money

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

you only have defined titles and a set salary band if your job has a public counterpart or is otherwise dictated by industry standards and/or union regulation

if not, you're just being paid as little as the boss thinks he can get away with and being given madeup titles only specifically defined by your company

discrepancies surrounding stuff like that is literally glassdoor's business model

you may have it a little bit backwards on the title thing

at my last job i was a "director" because that was the minimum title available for my pay band. in HR's eyes, i was a grade 27 full time resource, so my minimum job title was "director."

no one paid that much could fail to have important corporate responsibilities, right? :q:

it was dumb though. i never printed "director of hufflepuff fuckstickery" on my business card because i was not a manager and had zero reports. i just made up a title for my biz card / resume.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
tl;dr: your job title is often derived from your pay, not the other way around

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

tl;dr: your job title is often derived from your pay, not the other way around

well yeah, but this was in context of pay comparisons between companies and attempting to tie that to a title

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

lol I just got a duplicate contract job post from a different agency than the first one that told me about it and the rate they're offing is thirty five dollars an hour lower than the first company that told me about it

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

qirex posted:

lol I just got a duplicate contract job post from a different agency than the first one that told me about it and the rate they're offing is thirty five dollars an hour lower than the first company that told me about it

The rate is negotiable and the recruiters are just guessing

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

qirex posted:

lol I just got a duplicate contract job post from a different agency than the first one that told me about it and the rate they're offing is thirty five dollars an hour lower than the first company that told me about it

I think you mean $35/hr better for that agency :whatup:

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

The rate is negotiable and the recruiters are just guessing

from what I've seen for most W2 contract places the rate is set and the only possible negotiation is between the agency and the employee

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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

those may be different levels of seniority for similar positions or something

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