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Steve Yun posted:Is that a thing in the comics as well? That adamantium is poison and that the only thing keeping him alive is his healing? It may surprise you to know that the comics are inconsistent on the issue. A few stories have it as toxic and killing him, some stories have it as deadly as having surgical screws in your bones, and when his adamantium has been removed it's treated as mildly toxic that his healing factor has in check but is slowing down his healing factor. Rap Record Hoarder posted:One thing I didn't get is the insinuation that Logan can't read? I guess the movie version was never portrayed as a guy with a good amount of common sense intellect or a world-trotting polyglot, but it was still a little weird. He can read, the issue is that he's having vision problems. He's getting old/the poisoning is affecting his eyesight.
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Not to apply real-world logic, but completely sealing your bones in would kill anyone, even assuming you survived the procedure, whether or not the substance was toxic.Rap Record Hoarder posted:One thing I didn't get is the insinuation that Logan can't read? I guess the movie version was never portrayed as a guy with a good amount of common sense intellect or a world-trotting polyglot, but it was still a little weird. He's having trouble reading because his eyesight is going. He's not illiterate.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Not to apply real-world logic, but completely sealing your bones in would kill anyone, even assuming you survived the procedure, whether or not the substance was toxic. They did think of that, and supposedly his skeleton is just "laced' with adamantium and not coated. Of course that means very different things to different writers.
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:The x-movie timeline is iffy, but I think he got the adamantium grafted to his skeleton in the late 70s/early 80s. Let's call it 1980. Meaning that in 2029 (when Logan takes place) he's had it for almost 50 years, plus 15 or so of those years were heavy wear and tear as a result of various X-adventures. Given that his healing factor kept him young and healthy for most of a century before the adamantium it's pretty safe to say that the metal is what's killing him. Ugh, thanks for reminding me how old I'll be in 2029. 
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Gyges posted:They did think of that, and supposedly his skeleton is just "laced' with adamantium and not coated. Of course that means very different things to different writers. Huh, I'd assumed he was fine because his magic healing took care of the problems it would cause normal people. That said, I think X1 shows him as just having metal bones, though I haven't seen it in a while.
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Logan had the adamantium bonding procedure done in 1979, the same year as the Three Mile Island meltdown. Possibly 1978, depending on how long it took him to track Stryker down, I don't really remember. So, by the time Logan rolls around, he's been adamantiumed up for about fifty years.
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coyo7e posted:Basically, Logan was always supposed to be the team leader, the older and level-headed mentor for the rest of the team to look up to. Instead, he stayed an rear end in a top hat and Cyclops kind of strolled in, took his girl, took his intended role, and drank his milkshake on many other levels... And then they all died except for Logan, and maybe things could've turned out better if Xavier had succeeded with Logan. Thanks, that makes sense I suppose. Did this ever get explored in the other movies, I can't remember. 935 posted:Credit goes to the movie's music... I've never had such a visceral reaction before as when X24 came on screen and the soundtrack went to that deep, dark loud track. I loved the discordant minor-key track they used throughout, it really captured the 'everything is winding down and going to poo poo' feeling.
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Steve Yun posted:Is that a thing in the comics as well? That adamantium is poison and that the only thing keeping him alive is his healing? I saw a farticle recently that listed every time he's died, it was pretty funny because I only was aware of half of them.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Not to apply real-world logic, but completely sealing your bones in would kill anyone, even assuming you survived the procedure, whether or not the substance was toxic.  of course, the reading glasses.
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Ponderous Saxon posted:Thanks, that makes sense I suppose. Did this ever get explored in the other movies, I can't remember. I mean especially with Jean Grey, there's a LOT of bad blood going on.. Logan basically had his girlfriend stolen, then the guy who stole her got her killed, then she came back, and still didn't give a poo poo about logan.. Then she might've died again too after that? I only read about half those comics because that was when you had to make due with whatever the local safeway had on the magazine rack, and whether or not I could convince my folks to buy me them. 
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Wolverine's adamantium being poison is comic-accurate. It was actually used to justify why his healing got MORE powerful after he lost it, because until that point his healing factor was working constantly to heal his injuries. Later he got a new set of non-poison adamantium from... I think it was Apocalypse?
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Ponderous Saxon posted:Can any X-Men-ologist illuminate why Charles considered Logan such a disappointment? It seems a pretty harsh assessment given Logan's loyalty and attempts to lead a normal life resulted in him being so horribly broken. coyo7e posted:Basically, Logan was always supposed to be the team leader, the older and level-headed mentor for the rest of the team to look up to. Instead, he stayed an rear end in a top hat and Cyclops kind of strolled in, took his girl, took his intended role, and drank his milkshake on many other levels... And then they all died except for Logan, and maybe things could've turned out better if Xavier had succeeded with Logan. I didn't get the impression that Xavier was actually disappointed though, he was just another old mean man with brain issues and he would have woken up the next day having completely forgotten what he said or was upset about it. Patrick Stewart's performance was really unsettling and it would have touched a nerve with certain people because if you've dealt with family members with dementia/Alzheimer's, this is pretty much how they act. They're just not all there anymore and living with them and looking after them is inevitably miserable and frustrating for both parties.
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Yes, he became the Horseman of Death and Apocalypse restored his adamantium without any of the drawbacks. Before that, yes, it was revealed that he had bone claws that the metal coated instead of just implanted weapons. After it got torn out the pain made Wolverine go berserk and he hunted and slaughtered the Brotherhood mutants who were there. He was tearing into them so hard that the claws were breaking with every strike, but with no more adamantium poisoning and his body no longer trying to reject the metal, they were growing back before he started the next attack. At least, that's how I remember it from better than a decade ago.
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Vicissitude posted:Yes, he became the Horseman of Death and Apocalypse restored his adamantium without any of the drawbacks. Before that, yes, it was revealed that he had bone claws that the metal coated instead of just implanted weapons. After it got torn out the pain made Wolverine go berserk and he hunted and slaughtered the Brotherhood mutants who were there. He was tearing into them so hard that the claws were breaking with every strike, but with no more adamantium poisoning and his body no longer trying to reject the metal, they were growing back before he started the next attack. I think you're mixing up the story where he lost the adamantium and the story where Genesis tried to put it back, and maybe making some stuff up to fill in the gaps
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DeimosRising posted:I think you're mixing up the story where he lost the adamantium and the story where Genesis tried to put it back, and maybe making some stuff up to fill in the gaps
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Kegslayer posted:I didn't get the impression that Xavier was actually disappointed though, he was just another old mean man with brain issues and he would have woken up the next day having completely forgotten what he said or was upset about it. I'm one of those people (I have a mother with dementia) and it did hit home. You do what you can and it weighs on your shoulders (like it did for Logan) not just the looking after them but the knowledge that this person you respect is DYING and the anxiety that comes with that realization they are not immortal (like how every kid things of their parents while very young). It was really something to see a comic book movie portray what happens to super-powered people when they get old and in a very strong way.
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coyo7e posted:Considering how many alternate timelines there've been in the Marvel universe, that it totally a forgivable sin in a CD thread, imho I consider that correction something of a mark of shame on my part tbh
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Logan spent like at least a couple/few years and maybe multiple decades just chillin' with wolves. The part where he stares down the wolf is canon - if a dumb-rear end kludge of a scene.  edit: holy poo poo they already did an origins movie, but I don't remember anything about 1850s era poo poo in that movie which I thought I saw. I thought I'd remember Liev Schrieber in Civil War gear. But wow that's really awful compared to the Origins comic version. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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Is The Wolverine worth watching?
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Steve Yun posted:Is The Wolverine worth watching? It's an okay movie. Third act kind of derails it, and the teaser sets up DOFP.
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Saw it last night, really liked it. Some takeaways: i liked their vision of the future for being bleak, but not dystopian. Limiting it to auto-driving trucks, nicer TVs, and cyborg hands was a good idea. No need for sentinels everywhere or flying cars. I liked the food drugging foreshadowing with the "Hypno" soda. I didn't know X23 was going to be in it, that was an awesome surprise. I totally thought X24 was Daken, and was a little bummed it was just a clone. Although shoehorning in another kid midway through the movie might have been too much. But it could have been Sabretooth. Glad they let Xavier and Logan die off, and that Logan was buried in Canada. The set up with Xavier being cooped up in a tower seemed cruel at first, even with Logan and Caliban taking care of him. But the explaination worked perfectly, about Xavier's mistake killing civilians and Xmen. Overall fantastic, hope it gets some big Oscar nods.
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Wait, was Logan buried in Canada? I thought it was just at the very border.
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A. Beaverhausen posted:Wait, was Logan buried in Canada? I thought it was just at the very border. I thought it was Canada as the kids were trying to cross the border and were extremely close when the battle happened. Middle of nowhere North Dakota/Manitoba probably wouldn't have an obvious boundary line. We don't see exactly where they dug the grave, but based on the character's history as the biggest Canadian name in comics I think it's a fair assumption that he barely made it over the border and was buried there.
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I saw this movie two days ago and it was very good and enjoyable. I read the opinion somewhere else that they should have cut all of the OKC casino stuff and I completely disagree with that.
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Jack's Flow posted:I saw this movie two days ago and it was very good and enjoyable. I read the opinion somewhere else that they should have cut all of the OKC casino stuff and I completely disagree with that. Anyone who would want to cut the Xavier casino paralysis scene is a grade-A moron.
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That scene was really good. So was the scene where Logan tries to drive through a fence to escape and it doesn't break
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PostNouveau posted:That scene was really good. So was the scene where Logan tries to drive through a fence to escape and it doesn't break I really appreciated that.
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Why on Earth would anyone consider cutting the OKC casino scene unless it's some humorless nerd who doesn't like levity because it "hurts the story" ignoring the Xavier seizure scene was one of the most powerful in the film.Steve Yun posted:Is The Wolverine worth watching? It's a good watch, leagues above the first Wolverine movie that's for sure and I appreciated how they tackled Wolverine's virtual immortality and how that plays a role with his psyche.
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Wolverine's Vaguely Racist Japanese Adventure is pretty entertaining for what it is.
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I love how understated the movie was. Just in complete control of itself. Even when the heavier mutant powers came out in the climax they comparatively subtle stacked up against almost every other comic book movie there is now. There's been sequels so lovely that they make the previous works retroactively worse but I don't think I've ever seen a sequel so good it does the same thing. I wish the other X-men movies were up to this caliber.
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RBA Starblade posted:Wolverine's Vaguely Racist Japanese Adventure is pretty entertaining for what it is.
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Ended up watching Wolverine. Yeah I definitely agree that Logan makes it retroactively better. Yukio's premonition about how Logan would die ends up becoming true in a Greek Oracle sort of way, and it plants the seeds of him pondering his mortality which has a better eventual payoff in its sequel than it does within its own movie.
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This might have been covered in the thread already, I dipped out of it sometime last week but I'm wondering if my interpretation of stuff is right or not: The GMO's used to repress mutation are actually what's causing Logan's power to fail him, right? I thought this was hinted at considering they mentioned corn being one of the vehicles for it (if I'm getting it right, the farmer being pushed out of his land by the corporation raised corn and said it went into everything), and Logan having corn flakes in his food stuffs means at the very least he and Xavier have been consuming stuff meant to repress mutation, or at least a symbol of one of the vehicles for the GMO's. I came out of the movie feeling like it was all the more tragic that Wolverine wasn't succumbing to adamantium poisoning* because he was old, but rather because he was a part of the genocide the doctor carried out against future/potentially current generations of mutants, and that given enough time, he could have pulled through it, especially after Caliban hosed up the doctor behind the conspiracy (he did die in the van explosion, right?) *not to mention his healing factor being suppressed would cause not only the poisoning to catch up with him but also his eyes to go bad, his limping, his ability to finally get drunk. Like, age could account for all that stuff since dude is like 200, but it could also be explained by the GMO thing entirely, unless I'm wrong about that bit of world building, but I did get up to go piss in the back half of the movie
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Just on Yukio, I was kind of annoyed that she never appeared again. She was cool as hell, and set up to be Wolverine's bodyguard/sidekick, and in the three xmen movies that followed, she never appeared again once. Maybe she can show up in the continuing adventures of Laura.
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Snowman_McK posted:Just on Yukio, I was kind of annoyed that she never appeared again. She was cool as hell, and set up to be Wolverine's bodyguard/sidekick, and in the three xmen movies that followed, she never appeared again once. Maybe she can show up in the continuing adventures of Laura.
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Excellent movie, however I did find it a little problematic that it had no qualms perpetuating the sentiment in film that albinos are inherently morally dubious and/or insufferable scoundrels.
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God Hole posted:Excellent movie, however I did find it a little problematic that it had no qualms perpetuating the sentiment in film that albinos are inherently morally dubious and/or insufferable scoundrels. Caliban was neither of those things. He had done bad things in his past and was trying to make up for them.
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God Hole posted:Excellent movie, however I did find it a little problematic that it had no qualms perpetuating the sentiment in film that albinos are inherently morally dubious and/or insufferable scoundrels. There are a fuckton of albino/etc badguys in xmen though come to think of it, so I do agree. But my only complaint with the film was that I think they never even mentioned the guy's name once.
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