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Skippy McPants posted:Probably a recut, maybe with the same music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6fHTyVmYp4 Ryder Rydersdottir was always the right choice.
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Mar 11, 2017 21:00
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Clawtopsy posted:DA:I broke me of that habit, though, because my loving god the endless portals and collectibles that artificially bloated the playtime was absolutely shameless. This is every open world game nowadays. DA:I wasn't even that bad by the standard, it just had really slow traversal thanks to that awful horse. It gets much worse. E.g. Assassin's Creed Unity. 
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Skippy McPants posted:This is every open world game nowadays. DA:I wasn't even that bad by the standard, it just had really slow traversal thanks to that awful horse. It gets much worse. that image is bleak as hell. games as work, my god
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Even if the side stuff in ME:A is as grindy as Inquisition (and it really doesn't look like that is the case) it's not going to be as bad because ME combat is actually fun. Inquisition's mmo-lite bs was absolutely miserable to control and play. Tried playing through it with the free trial and got about 20 hours in before giving up.
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epenthesis posted:Given that equalizing coverage isn't a bad thing, what's weird about it? That they didn't create a unique trailer for Sara after doing like a dozen of them? It's weird in that it sounds like it'll be the exact same trailer with a different main character. I think that qualifies.
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Pattonesque posted:that image is bleak as hell. games as work, my god Part of the reason why every one is loving the new Zelda is that it completely does away with all of that. If you find something, great! If not the game isn't gonna tell you about it.
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I never really got in to the Assassin's Creed games, tbf. Does it also have the Bioware thing of 'sidequest being incomplete locks you out of content in future games'? also it seemed like they were trying to colonize the uncanny valley, looking at Peebee's face. Is she the 'Sera' character in this game? It's the Dreamworks smirk. also also laziness in design isn't good, especially when it's been 5 years since the last mass effect
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BexGu posted:Part of the reason why every one is loving the new Zelda is that it completely does away with all of that. If you find something, great! If not the game isn't gonna tell you about it. Ehhhh, this doesn't really help much in a real sense. You only end up with people referencing maps online rather than in the game. The real solution is to make sure that your side content is actually worth the discovery and not some stupid collectible junk, which I've heard Breath of the Wild also does for the most part so credit to them for that.
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Clawtopsy posted:I never really got in to the Assassin's Creed games, tbf. Does it also have the Bioware thing of 'sidequest being incomplete locks you out of content in future games'? Nah, all the AC games are standalone, but they—and Ubisoft in general—have a reputation for being some of the worst offenders when it comes to collectibles as a cheap replacement for content. As for Peebee, it's too soon to tell. Although she does not appear to be Sera, for what that's worth. From the previews, it looks like her character skews more quirky weirdo and less insufferable git.
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Horizon does collectibles very well. You can buy maps for the three main types, and there aren't many of each, and even knowing where they are you still have to put some effort into reaching the place the item is, which usually involves some fun platforming/climbing and exploring. Then there are an assload of "data" collectibles with backstory, none of which are required for a trophy or reward, none of which ever show up on the map, so if you find one it's great and if you can't find them all your crippling gamer OCD won't kill you for it.
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Skippy McPants posted:As for Beepee, it's too soon to tell. Although she does not appear to be Sera, for what that's worth. From the previews, it looks like her character skews more quirky weirdo and less insufferable twat. it's a very, very fine line it's good to know that robert z'dar's genetic line continues, as his cherubism seems to have passed down to cora
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CottonWolf posted:It's weird in that it sounds like it'll be the exact same trailer with a different main character. I think that qualifies. I don't see how. Easy to make, gives the female and male characters the same prominence, allows players to have the same experience whoever they want to play as. They did some of the same stuff for FemShep last time.
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epenthesis posted:I don't see how. Easy to make, gives the female and male characters the same prominence, allows players to have the same experience whoever they want to play as. They did some of the same stuff for FemShep last time. I think they have tweets where they said they were going to give equal coverage of marketing with Scott and Sara, and the last few trailers were staring Scott as the MC
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Skippy McPants posted:This is every open world game nowadays. DA:I wasn't even that bad by the standard, it just had really slow traversal thanks to that awful horse. It gets much worse. Four different kinds of chest, I love it
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Weren't some of these chests promotional things that you had to use a code for 
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Turbl posted:This is the One True Tali according to Matt Rhodes the concept artist and it's way better than that poo poo stock photo Still would
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I've been thinking of Dragon Age Inquisition and the MMO collectathon side quests and the most egregious quests I can think of are: - The Skulls and Shard collection for the Tombs in the Hidden Oasis - Collect Ram Meat in the Hinterlands - Find and mark certain Rebel Mage Camps in the Hinterlands - Collect Bear claws in the Hinterlands - Save slaves in the Emprise du Lion and Howling Wastes (or whatever the Night Desert Map was called) - Find Grey Warden stuff for Blackwall's approval - All of the requisitions stuff Can anyone else think of other examples of these 'MMO' style side-quests?
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:You guys are all right, I'm the one defending the indefensible thing. Oh, I'm not defending it. I too find it ridiculous. It's just that looking at marketing footage and assuming everything in it will make it into the released product as-is pretty silly. Some things will. Others will be changed/fixed. It's best to not read too much into such stuff. I personally stopped buying EA games on day 1 (or, worse yet, pre-ordering them) a long time ago, since the company has a terrible track record in that regard. So I have no horse in this race. 
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Open world games are almost without exception really unfun.
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SgtSteel91 posted:I've been thinking of Dragon Age Inquisition and the MMO collectathon side quests and the most egregious quests I can think of are: These are particularly bad, because they're a missed opportunity to make you care about the world early in the game. If there were actual cut scenes showing the people starving because of the war, or showing how the people were powerless to stop the mages from taking their poo poo, you might actually feel...something. Instead, you get a statically posed NPC and a couple lines of dialogue to send you out to fetch. It's something the Witcher 3 did so well.
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Lt. Danger posted:Four different kinds of chest, I love it One of those required you to be online and had something to do with an app, if I recall correctly.
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frajaq posted:Weren't some of these chests promotional things that you had to use a code for Even better, Standard Chest (White): Can be opened at any time. Patriot's Chest (Red): Require lockpicks, an in-game upgrade, to open. Ancestor Chests (Gold): Become available as you level up. UPlay Chests (Blue): Required an AC Unity mobile companion app to open. The app required you to solve a series of puzzles that would unlock missions back in the game that you needed to sent you assassin recruits on, like War Table assignments in DA:I these were basically a menu option followed by a long timer. Several months after release, Ubisoft removed the app requirement and just let you open the drat chests. But wait, there's more! Not all chests would appear on the map when you climbed a tower to reveal all the points of interest in a new area. Some would only show up if you got close enough, or you could spend "Helix Credits" to unlock time saver packs that would show their location. Helix Credits were, of course, the game's micro transaction currency. You could earn a limited amount through play, but after that it was $$$ or nothing.
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Big Bidness posted:These are particularly bad, because they're a missed opportunity to make you care about the world early in the game. If there were actual cut scenes showing the people starving because of the war, or showing how the people were powerless to stop the mages from taking their poo poo, you might actually feel...something. Instead, you get a statically posed NPC and a couple lines of dialogue to send you out to fetch. It's something the Witcher 3 did so well. Yeah, quest writing in Witcher 3 was superb. Every quest either taught you more about the world, or had some sort of twist or surprise ending, or both.
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SgtSteel91 posted:I've been thinking of Dragon Age Inquisition and the MMO collectathon side quests and the most egregious quests I can think of are: dragon age inquisition was amazing, this game is ripping it off and has a jet pack so it will be, at minimum, real good.
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SgtSteel91 posted:I've been thinking of Dragon Age Inquisition and the MMO collectathon side quests and the most egregious quests I can think of are: oh god i had forgotten about this part i had hoped to never remember it fuuuuuuuuuuck there's probably more, but I seem to remember a bunch of fetchquests? I don't know, it's was just a big, generic blur cams posted:dragon age inquisition was amazing, this game is ripping it off and has a jet pack so it will be, at minimum, real good. is this sarcasm i honestly cant tell anymore
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Skippy McPants posted:Even better, this is, uh, violence enraged_camel posted:Yeah, quest writing in Witcher 3 was superb. Every quest either taught you more about the world, or had some sort of twist or surprise ending, or both. I kinda liked what I saw of Liam's quest in the PAX stream so hopefully all that stuff they said of looking to Witcher 3 for inspiration wasn't just talk
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Big Bidness posted:These are particularly bad, because they're a missed opportunity to make you care about the world early in the game. If there were actual cut scenes showing the people starving because of the war, or showing how the people were powerless to stop the mages from taking their poo poo, you might actually feel...something. Instead, you get a statically posed NPC and a couple lines of dialogue to send you out to fetch. It's something the Witcher 3 did so well. Yeah, I totally agree with you about that. The Hinterlands and really the first act of DA: I was all about trying to tie a bow on the Mage/Templar War and given that DA2, and by extent DAO, was building up to that war, it should have been its own game. Hopefully with the 'Habitability Rating' or whatever it's called, and being able to build up outposts and hopefully eventually make each of the Golden Worlds habitable again, we'll see our actions be reflected in the world.
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Pattonesque posted:this is, uh, violence Liam's quest is like a big setpiece quest though. Witcher 3 was remarkable because even the notice board quests and little pissant "a peasant has an exclamation mark over his head" quests tended to be lovingly-written and interesting, too. I'm hoping that the smaller open world sidequests in this will be good too but, well, we'll see
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I don't understand what the big deal about collectibles is. Yeah that ac unity map looks a mess, but I've completed every single ac game (except black flag) but I've never gone so far as try to collect everything. You don't have to do any of the collectible poo poo to finish the game so what's the problem? You can even toggle the map.to only display what you want.
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You've never finished the only good AC game? That's loving shameful and it had the only good collection 'quest' in the history of collection 'quests'.
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Clawtopsy posted:oh god i had forgotten about this part i had hoped to never remember it fuuuuuuuuuuck I remember 6 in the Hinterlands: - Lord Woolsey - Deliver a dead Templar's love letter or something to his Rebel Mage lover - Deliver flowers to a grave for a widow in Redcliff - Find a Noble's dead wife and tell him about her - Take back the ring of a Widow's recently killed husband by Templars - Get medicine from a guy on one end of the Map to the Crossroads where his parents are sick Man, they front-load you with the collectathon and fetch quests in the beginning SgtSteel91 fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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Skippy McPants posted:As for Peebee, it's too soon to tell. Although she does not appear to be Sera, for what that's worth. From the previews, it looks like her character skews more quirky weirdo and less insufferable git. You shut your dirty drat whore mouth.
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I always thought that they should have used a picture of Tali's voice actress for the frame photo as a joke. They could have air brushed in some wires and tech but leave her recognizable.
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Clawtopsy posted:is this sarcasm i honestly cant tell anymore people who spend large amounts of time complaining about video games on the internet are awful
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enraged_camel posted:Yeah, quest writing in Witcher 3 was superb. Every quest either taught you more about the world, or had some sort of twist or surprise ending, or both. One thing that Witcher 3 did well in regard to it's side quests was figuring out how to break the monotonous nature of some of the atypical MMO like quest by using them as red herrings.
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cams posted:dragon age inquisition was amazing What in tarnation
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Deakul posted:Bioshit is at it again. I'm not sure Bioware should get poo poo on for using screenshots from their own cutscenes that someone also uploaded to DeviantArt.
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