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Sunning posted:Tanaka is a GM at Gung-Ho, the creators of Puzzle and Dragons, and working on new game that will be revealed this year. He's probably making more money now than he ever did at Square-Enix. This is commonly called "failing upward."
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Gammatron 64 posted:The best Final Fantasy game is the one I like. But what if someone likes all the FF games?
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Mar 11, 2017 02:30
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Then we shun them as God intended
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Mar 11, 2017 02:33
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I finished the post-patch main questline and boy was that loving stupid. I'll go ahead and do some ex primals and dungeons before my last day is up, play Nier for a week, then go back to do Heavensward.
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Mar 11, 2017 05:01
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Electric Phantasm posted:If you weren't sure before, Nomura just confirmed in the latest Famitsu that the battle system for the 7 remake will be action based. Man this is disappointing. FFVII's combat isn't exactly great but I prefer turn-based games to action games so I was hoping they'd improve on that instead of revamping the whole thing.
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Mar 11, 2017 16:00
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Give the FF7 Remake to Taro Yoko.
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Mar 11, 2017 16:24
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Elentor posted:Man this is disappointing. FFVII's combat isn't exactly great but I prefer turn-based games to action games so I was hoping they'd improve on that instead of revamping the whole thing. No one going to put insane dollars into a turn based game nowadays
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Mar 11, 2017 16:42
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Sakurazuka posted:No one going to put insane dollars into a turn based game nowadays It sounded like some SE executives wanted to 
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Mar 11, 2017 16:48
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Sakurazuka posted:No one going to put insane dollars into a turn based game nowadays I don't think that's the problem. Nomura has stated before that he hates turn-based gameplay, and this is pretty much his decision. I'm pretty sure that if Nomura had said "we're going turn-based like hardcore, chess style" they would go with it at this point. Also even if you were right, for better or for worse "no one in the industry" common sense doesn't always apply to Square-Enix's management. Elentor fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Mar 11, 2017 |
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Mar 11, 2017 16:52
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Square Enix as a whole catalog already has one huge franchise that is turn-based, turning the other major one the same variant doesn't really work.
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Mar 11, 2017 16:55
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Mar 11, 2017 17:01
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Best selling non-F2P games in 2016 with turn-based or ATB style gameplay: Pokemon Sun and Moon - Sold 14.69 Million Units. Sun+Moon combined sales outsold Call of Duty Infinite Warfare in North America Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi / Tempura - 1.4 million. Only out in Japan Madden NFL 17 - EA forecast 5.5 million. Exceeded expectations Civilization 6 - Steamspy had it at 1.3 million at end of 2016 XCOM 2 - Steamspy had it at 1 million at end of 2016 Total War: Warhammer - Turn-based strategic layer, real-time battles. Steamspy had it at just under 1 million at end of 2016
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Mar 11, 2017 17:10
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Sunning posted:Best selling non-F2P games in 2016 with turn-based or ATB style gameplay: can you really count Madden though? the target market for that is a group of people who, like us, are damaged in the head, but for a football game instead of a JRPG. ironically, I think the gameplay in Madden is way more complicated than any FF game I've ever played
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Mar 11, 2017 17:15
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Sunning, that's a bit disingenuous. When people talk about turn-based combat for ff7, they're talking about a specific one that's encounter-based and not on a grid. And Pokemon is not a big budget title in the slightest compared to even a B-tier final fantasy game. The question is if a 100+ million dollar ATB battle style production can be profitable in today's era.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:17
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Sunning posted:Best selling non-F2P games in 2016 with turn-based or ATB style gameplay: interesting how except for madden all of these are primarily handheld or pc titles almost like it underlines the point that consoles audiences aren't as into turn-based games
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Mar 11, 2017 17:19
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Should they be spending 100mil on Final Fantasy though? I think that's a valid question to ask. I'm not necessarily saying they should scale it down to Pokémon levels of funding but limiting the funding down to the level where 10million units sold turns a tidy profit and stopping the chase of the graphic dragon in favor of levering middle ware they already have licensing for might be a solid idea.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:24
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Final Fantasy is a brand. Whatever success FF15 had trickled down to their other merchandise and side-products, even other non-FF games. Square isn't relying on just one game to be the focal financial point anymore, it's a whole trickling down effect.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:28
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bloodychill posted:Should they be spending 100mil on Final Fantasy though? I think that's a valid question to ask. I'm not necessarily saying they should scale it down to Pokémon levels of funding but limiting the funding down to the level where 10million units sold turns a tidy profit and stopping the chase of the graphic dragon in favor of levering middle ware they already have licensing for might be a solid idea. it's not a bad idea but well, capitalism
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Mar 11, 2017 17:31
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Tae posted:Sunning, that's a bit disingenuous. When people talk about turn-based combat for ff7, they're talking about a specific one that's encounter-based and not on a grid. It's not disingenuous - these are turn-based games, most of which are slower than an ATB RPG, and they sold well. The fact Pokémon Sun and Moon so much under a much smaller budget only adds to the point. People of all ages still play turn-based games. Brother Entropy is right in saying that console audiences are much less interested in turn-based games. I don't think that would affect this specific case, though, since - Tae posted:The question is if a 100+ million dollar ATB battle style production can be profitable in today's era. People will buy the FF7R regardless, just like Starcraft 2 was the fastest selling RTS of all time and I don't know a single human being who actually craves for hyper fast competitive RTS gaming, and yet all of my friends bought it. It's not like Final Fantasy is a traditional ARPG series either. As for whether they should be spending all that money, not really. Specially Square-Enix, who isn't famous for their money management skills.
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Tae posted:And Pokemon is not a big budget title in the slightest compared to even a B-tier final fantasy game. Well budget is one thing, and SE has a terrible habit of letting all of their projects grow way over budget, or squander budgets in bad ways (see the number of pixels one can find in a single potted plant in the 1.0 version of FFXIV) But budget doesn't affect the number of units sold, which is what he was quoting. That shows that people, consumers, will purchase turn-based games in high numbers.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:51
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On Pc and handheld you mean.
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Mar 11, 2017 17:54
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SE still produces a good number of turn-based games, they're just all side series and other experimental games. Besides, I'm more concerned that we've only seen footage from the first fifteen minute of the original so far after, what, close to two years since the announcement? Sure, they likely have more stuff than they've shown, but this is SE after all. I'll be surprised if Chapter One comes out before 2019.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:01
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Mega64 posted:SE still produces a good number of turn-based games, they're just all side series and other experimental games. I doubt they have much more than what they're showing. I don't think this is the same development hell as FFXV was but I wouldn't be surprised if the first chapter was a very, very rushed Mako Reactor 1 and 2 because they blew all this time and money on it.
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Mar 11, 2017 18:02
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Mega64 posted:SE still produces a good number of turn-based games, they're just all side series and other experimental games. I'm a little less worried because more games in general have been doing the trend of only showing the first fraction of the game (Horizon, Resident Evil 7, FF15 comes to mind).
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Mar 11, 2017 18:03
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Tae posted:I'm a little less worried because more games in general have been doing the trend of only showing the first fraction of the game (Horizon, Resident Evil 7, FF15 comes to mind). it kinda makes sense to not spoil too much of those but FF7R marketing should just own the fact it's 20 years old and show mako reactor blowing up or Cloud in a hot-tub with a bunch of men
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Mar 11, 2017 18:25
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i'm assuming Aeris will die in Part 2, meaning that can be the opening moment of the trailer for whenever that's ready to go
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Mar 11, 2017 18:25
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mandatory lesbian posted:i'm assuming Aeris will die in Part 2, meaning that can be the opening moment of the trailer for whenever that's ready to go Pretty sure part 1 is pretty much just Midgar
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Part 1 being Midgar is around what I'd expect, because Midgar is a gargantuan job compared to the rest of the game. It's also one that does a lot to set the scene and tone for the whole game, as well as one that doesn't have a lot of combat but does have a lot of special scenes, mechanics and animations, so it's... honestly a really bad place to start a game's development. I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of why it's taking so long, you have to get fairly far in designing the rest of the game and getting the engine down-pat before you can feasibly do Midgar well. I'd love to keep going back to the call that they should be remaking Chrono Trigger in this format instead, but that's honestly just as difficult and has a much less obvious break point for part 1. I'd say the conservative end point for part 1 there would be the prison break and gate to 2300AD, but even that has a lot of conceptual, mechanical and visual ground to cover. It's almost like trying to break down a classic AAA RPG into manageable chunks actually doesn't make the workload easier at all!
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Mar 11, 2017 23:54
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They should just make FF7:GTA Midgar
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Pureauthor posted:Pretty sure part 1 is pretty much just Midgar i assume so too, but i don't think they've officially said
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Mar 12, 2017 00:13
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If anything the rumblings are pointing toward part 1 not even being all of Midgar because they want to substantially flesh it out further.
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I'm thinking it's about 2019 when FF7R will be done being dumped unceremoniously into Tabata's lap and released in 2021. It will be about Cloud and Tifa traveling around the world by car, train, and airship staying with friends to see where they should settle down after Tifa becomes pregnant. The combat will be described as "Dark Souls-ian" just in time for FromSoft to go back on their "no more Souls games" promise and come out a week before Dark Souls 4 before and then completely forgotten.
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Mar 12, 2017 00:27
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Sunning posted:Best selling non-F2P games in 2016 with turn-based or ATB style gameplay: Madden has ATB or turn-based gameplay?  well, i mean, there is that quote about ff1...
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Mar 12, 2017 00:39
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Madden basically has an entire American football management sim inside it nowadays which is, yes, turn based during the planning sections, though obviously you play the matches same as always.
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Mar 12, 2017 00:45
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The White Dragon posted:Madden has ATB or turn-based gameplay? Game design is a flat circle
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Sakurazuka posted:Madden basically has an entire American football management sim inside it nowadays which is, yes, turn based during the planning sections, though obviously you play the matches same as always. Oh, huh, I had no idea. Keep in mind the last time I played a Madden game, it was on the Sega, and they still had the Oilers 
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Mar 12, 2017 00:49
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Sports games are rpgs nowadays. You level up and everything.
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Mar 12, 2017 00:50
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Ever since action games decided you should have to unlock new moves with stuff you get from killing enemies (DMC is the earliest I can think of?) pretty much every game has RPG elements.
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Mar 12, 2017 00:55
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I'm just saying it's more so an RPG because you're actually role-playing with custom heights and everything and there's  branching paths They even added party members in this year's NBA game.
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The White Dragon posted:Madden has ATB or turn-based gameplay? what quote
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