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StrixNebulosa posted:This is the dumbest argument I've ever been involved with on the internet. Just this month we have another Mass Effect, Horizon, Nier.... Motto posted:There aren't enough RPGs and stuff set in contemporary settings imo, especially if you discount jrpgs set in schools or with one as a regular location This is kind of why Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines is pretty high up on my list of favorite games. I know BioWare was trying to make one of those and of course it got canceled
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Andrast posted:Shadow hearts was cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDdLm60bTA CharlieFoxtrot posted:This is kind of why Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines is pretty high up on my list of favorite games. I know BioWare was trying to make one of those and of course it got canceled i would like vampire: the masquerade bloodlines a hell of a lot more if the second half of it wasn't the worst loving poo poo like jesus, there's so much cool stuff in that first half but the fact that it all totally goes to crap once you hit the sewers is probably gonna keep me from ever replaying it The Colonel fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Jay Rust posted:Just set everything in the real world. Real history is cool. Real History doesn't have robots and space ships. Real History is still cool but there is room in games for all types. There aren't also a ton of sci rpg's recently so I'm happy with the ones we get like Nier and Mass Effect. Not so much the Star Ocean... I also played too much DnD over the years so while I won't discount a really good fantasy game, they don't draw me as much as others because I burned out on 7 flavors of elves and dwarves and orcs and necromancers without even much change in set dressing. The Colonel posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDdLm60bTA I hope you played with the fan patch. It makes the back half actually tolerable and still have some cool parts. Not nearly as good as the first half though. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Motto posted:There aren't enough RPGs and stuff set in contemporary settings imo, especially if you discount jrpgs set in schools or with one as a regular location Earthbound being set in (sort of) modern day America is a big reason why it rules. Jay Rust posted:Just set everything in the real world. Real history is cool. *Dynasty Warriors logo slowly creeps in from stage left*
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You guys pretty much have it right - original, creative settings are best, but video games tend not to go for those. So I'm much happier with the stock sci-fi settings in a pinch, as even if they're just reskinned dwarves and elves, they tend to have weirder things going on in them? I mean, even if it's just Star Trek (soft sci-fi at its finest) then at least you get neat lookin' ships and ridiculous lookin' aliens. Also yeah there haven't been very many rpgs set in sci-fi or real world settings, so - please. I'm happy to be getting Nier and so on, but more, more, more - ! (It's me, I'm the one who wants Cyberpunk 2077 to be a megahit and spawn a million sequels long before we get more Witcher stuff. Witcher's cool, cyberpunk is cooler!)
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Motto posted:There aren't enough RPGs and stuff set in contemporary settings imo, especially if you discount jrpgs set in schools or with one as a regular location What about Watch Dogs and all those modern shooty FPSes? I agree though, contemporary settings are fun. I'm not a soldier and I don't free roam around town engaging with my environment purely via cutscenes, carjacking and armed murder, either, so most of the current 'real world' setting games don't really resonate with my experiences of the real world very much, which is one of the fun things that real-world settings in games do sometimes.
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Witcher can take a break for a decade after 3, I mean seriously, that game is the size of the european union. Cyberpunk is indeed the raddest setting, although as Ubisoft proved, even Cyberpunk can be boring as hell if you do it wrong. Shadowrun is a cyberpunk setting that has elves, so it has something for everyone.
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Red Bones posted:It's kinda hard to buy into the emotional thrust of the game ("fight for a new home!" "Save the humans!" "Find a new golden world!") when it's entirely their fault they are in that galaxy in the first place. 'We tried to colonise a galaxy and things went wrong' is more of a farce than a drama. Can you expand on this? I'm not even trying to be a dick, I'm curious how "A group of individuals hoping to make a new start in a new galaxy but conditions have changed dramatically since they set off and are now trying to salvage a lovely situation" is farcical. I guess there's the aspect of colonization almost always being bad for native peoples, but by the time of the games, just about all of the council species were all following non-interference plans regarding non-spacefaring sentient species.
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I kind of want to try Quadrilateral Cowboy simply because of its setting. But I will wait for it to go on sale. Now that I'm done with RE7 I need a time-filler before Nier gets here. I started playing No Man's Sky but that seemed way too dreary and boring for me. Looking at my backlog I'm thinking one of: Kentucky Route Zero, Virginia or Oxenfree CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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The Colonel posted:the badass star ocean setting of "technically this takes place in a science fiction world with space travel and laser guns but, we're not going to give you any of those and also you're on a planet with fantasy forests" Hey now, Star Ocean 2 has you going to such an advanced planet that they just give you laser swords with antimatter blades  Kai Tave posted:This is actually something that depresses me about the Assassin's Creed series in that it's one of the only major video game franchises to even pay lip service to some cool periods in history that would make great settings for games, but they spoil it by using them to make Assassin's Creed games instead. I mean, if you really wanted to be an rear end in a top hat rules lawyer about it, technically FFT is the War of the Roses except Jesus was real and also super evil bloodychill posted:I am very hopeful that Cyberpunk kicks butt and does things with the type of setting we haven't seen with Deus Ex or Shadowrun. It's in good hands at the very least. Do you know how excited I am for a cyberpunk game that isn't Deus Ex or Shadowrun? loving excited. I got into Gibson last year and my body is ready.
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Red Bones posted:What about Watch Dogs and all those modern shooty FPSes? Aaand that would be the problem with sci-fi/contemporary settings and rpgs. Gamedevs take the fact that we have guns and immediately turn things into a FPS when it doesn't need to be one. (Mass Effect goes here) ...Hey, would the Yakuza series go here as a good rpg-esque kind of contemporary setting for a game? As I understand it there's a lot you can do in the game aside from punching people, and the writing seems pretty snappy.
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StrixNebulosa posted:...Hey, would the Yakuza series go here as a good rpg-esque kind of contemporary setting for a game? As I understand it there's a lot you can do in the game aside from punching people, and the writing seems pretty snappy. Yeah, most everything outside of the main crime drama plot is goofball sidestories and minigames.
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The White Dragon posted:Do you know how excited I am for a cyberpunk game that isn't Deus Ex or Shadowrun? loving excited. I got into Gibson last year and my body is ready. If they can nail the feel of the Spawl trilogy, I will be so happy.
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Yakuza: a good rpg, then! Hopefully they'll put it on Steam so I can play it! ...and on a different note, the tunnel dude won't open up a shortcut to the ice caves unless I bring him a shotgun, so I guess I'm going to have to really practice my shopkeeper killing skills.
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The White Dragon posted:I mean, if you really wanted to be an rear end in a top hat rules lawyer about it, technically FFT is the War of the Roses except Jesus was real and also super evil FF Tactics is a Good Game, so I'll allow it. Poops Mcgoots posted:Can you expand on this? I'm not even trying to be a dick, I'm curious how "A group of individuals hoping to make a new start in a new galaxy but conditions have changed dramatically since they set off and are now trying to salvage a lovely situation" is farcical. I guess there's the aspect of colonization almost always being bad for native peoples, but by the time of the games, just about all of the council species were all following non-interference plans regarding non-spacefaring sentient species. I don't really want to get into a huge argument/discussion over Mass Effect because look at how the actual Mass Effect thread has turned out, but admittedly the premise for Andromeda is kind of goofy. It all starts off before the whole Reaper thing really goes public so basically there's no real pressure for anyone to launch a one-way 600 year trip into an entirely new galaxy when there's still a ton of unexplored, unsettled space in the Milky Way galaxy...seriously, an entire galaxy is very, very big...so basically the whole thing is "we're going to seal ourselves in a spaceship, acknowledge the fact that everyone we know who isn't coming along on this trip will be many hundreds of years dead by the time we wake up, hope that in 600 years nothing goes wrong on the other end (or that all these golden worlds we've staked out wind up already colonized by native civilizations), and we're doing this, uhhhhhhh, because we can?" Like there's plenty of potential for an interesting story to come out of a mission comprised of people willing to cut ties with their homeworlds, civilizations, and loved ones on a journey of no return, but (and I admit I haven't really been keeping super close tabs on things) nothing I've seen in any of the preview stuff really makes it seem like they've put that much thought into it.
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I was thinking to myself, I would love a game based on The Expanse, but then I remembered that Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare is basically that
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Kai Tave posted:I don't really want to get into a huge argument/discussion over Mass Effect because look at how the actual Mass Effect thread has turned out, but admittedly the premise for Andromeda is kind of goofy. It all starts off before the whole Reaper thing really goes public so basically there's no real pressure for anyone to launch a one-way 600 year trip into an entirely new galaxy when there's still a ton of unexplored, unsettled space in the Milky Way galaxy...seriously, an entire galaxy is very, very big...so basically the whole thing is "we're going to seal ourselves in a spaceship, acknowledge the fact that everyone we know who isn't coming along on this trip will be many hundreds of years dead by the time we wake up, hope that in 600 years nothing goes wrong on the other end (or that all these golden worlds we've staked out wind up already colonized by native civilizations), and we're doing this, uhhhhhhh, because we can?" Yeah, I totally agree with not wanting to start a giant burning shitpile; I'll just say that there's examples throughout history of people doing things just to see if they can. So a large quantity of people loving off to colonize a new galaxy just for the sake of it isn't entirely outlandish.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Can you expand on this? I'm not even trying to be a dick, I'm curious how "A group of individuals hoping to make a new start in a new galaxy but conditions have changed dramatically since they set off and are now trying to salvage a lovely situation" is farcical. I guess there's the aspect of colonization almost always being bad for native peoples, but by the time of the games, just about all of the council species were all following non-interference plans regarding non-spacefaring sentient species. Sure. It's mainly the fact that as far as I'm aware, the only reason they are going to Andromeda is because it's there. There are (I think?) plenty of planets in the Milky Way to colonise, and given the metrics of population growth, there's no way that the species in the Mass Effect universe, especially humans (who I think have been living on other planets for like, 100 years or something) have run out of space. The only reason they decide to fly to another galaxy and try and live there is because they can, so it's very hard to feel sorry for them when it goes wrong for them. Literally everyone in Andromeda has signed up for a one-way trip to another galaxy, knowing that they have no way to get support once they're out there, and there's plenty of easier, safer ways to get away from your family or have a fresh start or whatever. But instead of taking those options they decided to climb aboard the SS Hubris. It's also fairly obvious that "things might change in 600 years" would be a pretty significant risk factor, so like, everyone on board was probably pretty aware that it wasn't a sure thing that their plan would work out. After all, humans find a bunch of ruined stuff on mars and go into space in the space of like, 100 years in Mass Effect. It's just hard to feel bad for them when they took an enormous, needless risk just because they thought it'd be interesting to do, and it didn't work out. Not to the extent that I'm laughing at all of the deaths of these fictional people, I just find it hard to get behind the idea that them having to get out of the grave they have dug for themselves is particularly heroic.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Yeah, I totally agree with not wanting to start a giant burning shitpile; I'll just say that there's examples throughout history of people doing things just to see if they can. So a large quantity of people loving off to colonize a new galaxy just for the sake of it isn't entirely outlandish. People do outlandish poo poo all the time, that's not really the hard part, but at no point in human history have any of these people done anything on the scale of "let's literally skip the next 600 years of existence in cryostasis, not for any pressing reason like survival or fleeing a catastrophe, but because eh, why not." Like I said, you could mine an interesting story out of exploring the mindsets and motivations of who in the world is willing to sever ties with literally everything, no going back, to fling themselves out into the great unknown, or god forbid a story that actually meaningfully digs into things like colonialism, but it all kind of looks like that's getting glossed over in favor of Bad Guy Aliens and The Mysterious Precursor Ruins. And yeah, it is kind of blackly comedic that they're trying to play things up as this big, dramatic fight for survival when the protagonists could have avoided the whole thing simply by not shooting themselves into a new galaxy for kicks.
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Bully is the best rpg set in modern times. Seriously though, I'd play a Spielbergian early 80s suburban kids-on-bikes rpg if anyone wants to make one.
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Kai Tave posted:People do outlandish poo poo all the time, that's not really the hard part, but at no point in human history have any of these people done anything on the scale of "let's literally skip the next 600 years of existence in cryostasis, not for any pressing reason like survival or fleeing a catastrophe, but because eh, why not." Like I said, you could mine an interesting story out of exploring the mindsets and motivations of who in the world is willing to sever ties with literally everything, no going back, to fling themselves out into the great unknown, or god forbid a story that actually meaningfully digs into things like colonialism, but it all kind of looks like that's getting glossed over in favor of Bad Guy Aliens and The Mysterious Precursor Ruins. And yeah, it is kind of blackly comedic that they're trying to play things up as this big, dramatic fight for survival when the protagonists could have avoided the whole thing simply by not shooting themselves into a new galaxy for kicks. They're doing it at the very least for exploration's sake, which in my mind might actually give the story some breathing room for being about different themes than the original trilogy. Asking the question "who would give up their entire current life to go someplace new without any way back" is a question they can deal with. It's actually a big part of one of my favorite sci fi book series (Red Mars). I'm not saying they'll do it well but I think there's potential there. And of course, poo poo is going to hit the fan because it's a story and a game and some conflict is important for most types of narratives. If "and it all turned out fine" was the end of a generation or cryo-ship journey spurring on a story, it wouldn't really make for much fun in a game. bloodychill fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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There are a nonzero number of people who would line up to volunteer for a colonization mission to Mars, and probably even for a one-way mission
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:There are a nonzero number of people who would line up to volunteer for a colonization mission to Mars, and probably even for a one-way mission The thing about all the hypothetical Mars missions is that for all the vast distance involved you still aren't literally giving up any hope of ever returning home, talking with people on earth, or waking up in a world where your civilization has changed beyond recognition even if you could find some way to go home. bloodychill posted:They're doing it at the very least for exploration's sake, which in my mind might actually give the story some breathing room for being about different themes than the original trilogy. Asking the question "who would give to their entire current life to go someplace new without any way back" is a question they can deal with. I'm not saying they'll do it well but I think there's potential there. Sure, they could deal with it, but so far none of the previews really seem to touch on that. And yeah, poo poo needs to hit the fan, but it's still pretty funny that it takes the form of "oh, so literally every planet we earmarked for colonization turns out to be all hosed up actually, whoops." I mean the actual reason any of this is happening is that Bioware wants to try and make a clean break from the fallout of ME3. Fair enough, that's probably the smart play. I think they maybe could have figured out a slightly less goofy premise for it is all. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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Kai Tave posted:Sure, they could deal with it, but so far none of the previews really seem to touch on that. And yeah, poo poo needs to hit the fan, but it's still pretty funny that it takes the form of "oh, so literally every planet we earmarked for colonization turns out to be all hosed up actually, whoops." Yeah, the answer to the question "can modern Bioware pull it off?" very much remains to be answered. There are red flags but it's still open and I'm hopeful. Still, the ear-marked planets being hosed up may end up being a microcosm for Bioware's entire endeavor 
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There are about a dozen different ways Bioware could have moved on from the ending of Mass Effect 3 and they somehow managed to combine the least plausible (new galaxy!) with the lowest effort (but hey don't worry all your memes + fuckbuddy aliens are still here!) It just feels like Andromeda has nothing interesting to say or contribute to the series. They're about to get outdone in their sci-fi writing from Yoko Taro and the developers that spent the last 10 years making Killzone games.
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exquisite tea posted:It just feels like Andromeda has nothing interesting to say or contribute to the series. Yeah, I'm not so jazzed about Andromeda. But I guess this is Bioware we're talking about, the company that scraps poo poo between Dragon Age games and turns your choices into one-liners. Connecting games in your universe is so easy to do with impact--it takes next to no effort and Konami did it almost twenty years ago--but instead of joining forces with a graying version of your player character who's obviously some SSS-tier overleveled kitted motherfucker that you only use either because they're your character or because you want to play easy mode, you get, "this character may or may not be the daughter of <player character> and she's just a throwaway cameo npc" Obviously, considering the way they handled ME3's ending, this isn't really on the table, but still. I'm Garrus Vakarian, I just wanted an easy life but nooooooo, you assholes need me to pull your chestnuts out of the fire. No, I'm not angry, I'm a frickin' hero, but don't get all mad when I outshine your entire squad put together 
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exquisite tea posted:There are about a dozen different ways Bioware could have moved on from the ending of Mass Effect 3 and they somehow managed to combine the least plausible (new galaxy!) with the lowest effort (but hey don't worry all your memes + fuckbuddy aliens are still here!) It just feels like Andromeda has nothing interesting to say or contribute to the series. They're about to get outdone in their sci-fi writing from Yoko Taro and the developers that spent the last 10 years making Killzone games. To me the most amazing thing that's happened so far this year is that the Killzone guys actually made a good game.
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Lurdiak posted:I'd rather play a game set in a vanilla Tolkien setting than a game set in a Tolkien setting but elves have antenna and green skin and dwarves are called Bompkos there's like 2 or 3 original races. So you're saying you prefer Oblivion to Morrowind? Kai Tave posted:
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Quest For Glory II posted:virtual on returns and Even Better, it's anime Gonna main Misaka
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Nasgate posted:Like imagine some of the trailers only instead of Mass Effect it's "Dead Space: Andromeda" Yeah this is part of it too for me. I get that it's Bioware and they have a formula but the first trilogy, for better or worse, did grandiose sci-fi battles against the evil aliens while the mysterious precursor artifacts did, uh, something, and the new protagonist(s) of the game aren't even ultra-hardened military badasses like Shepard was at the beginning of ME1 so there's plenty of opportunity for them to tell a different sort of sci-fi story sharing a number of setting elements but making it more of a horror game or a survival game, or both. ME:A looks like it'll be a somewhat polished iteration of ME3 which would be a lot more amazing if it wasn't coming out in a world where, for example, Horizon existed. Or the newer Tomb Raider games. People like to bring up comparisons to Witcher 3 all the time in the Mass Effect thread but that's more to do with graphics and animations, in terms of gameplay there've been a number of decent-to-good open world exploration/crafting/combat games to the point where ME:A being, optimistically, a better ME3 is pretty disappointing. Admittedly in the demo they showcased at PAX I thought it was kind of clever how one of the missions was on a spaceship where the gravity orientation kept shifting so the walls would become the floor and it would change the verticality of the map around. It would have been more impressive if they could have actually shifted the gravity around in real-time instead of having to use little cutscenes to load new versions of the level, though. Also goddamnit, I miss Dead Space. Talking about sequels and missed opportunities.
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The thing Mass Effect had going for it, particularly 2 & 3, was that it wasn't some slow-rear end open-world survivacraft game. ME2 in particular has the best pacing of pretty much any video game ever. From the stellar opening to the suicide mission it's just balls to the wall action with exactly the right volume of dialogue and exposition needed to keep the player invested in the story. For Bioware to look at the ME trilogy, look at Inquisition, and conclude that what most people want is more picking flowers and mineral scanning is worrisome, to say the least.
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Andrast posted:Shadow hearts was cool gently caress yeah it was. Them never making another one is just the worst 
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I really didn't like Mass Effect 2 because my Shepard was the sniper rifle class and got absolutely shafted balance-wise with the jump from 1 to 2, and the plot went from ME1's fun space adventure to ME2's round trip of a bunch of lovely places with a space ship full of human racists to recruit some miserable grumpy people. I'm not against sad or dark media but ME2 was just dark in a very juvenile way. It's just hours and hours of the game going "this world we made up? Yeah, it's got some bad people in it", and if you couple that with a gameplay experience of using a lovely little pistol 90% of the time because your main weapon has a tiny magazine size that the game's ammo drops aren't balanced for, it makes for a very boring time. I respect the fact that some people enjoyed it, and I probably would've had a lot more fun if I had played one of the classes with psychic space powers, but I really prefer ME1 to the other two, even with its janky combat.
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